Waxing chain, benzene a cancer risk?
I just read that heating paraffin creates benzene. What do you all think? Here's where I read it. Search on benzene.
https://zerofrictioncycling.com.au/w...-FAQ-v1.3a.pdf |
Are you going to be waxing your chain and dealing with melted paraffin for several hours a day every day of the year?
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Originally Posted by Iride01
(Post 22256783)
Are you going to be waxing your chain and dealing with melted paraffin for several hours a day every day of the year?
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I think a lot of non-chemists worry needlessly over such things. I guess if you got wax to just the right temperature it could break down but the more likely result is shorter straight chain hydrocarbons, not benzene which is a 6 member aromatic ring. The World Health Organization is probably a more reliable source of information on the hazards of paraffin and it shows wax to be pretty safe. https://inchem.org/documents/icsc/icsc/eics1457.htm
That is unless you heat it to the flash point and cause a fire. It is not a single compound so can have a range of flash points from 199 to 249 degrees C (115-154 F). Those who choose to clean their chains in gasoline have a lot more to worry about as according to the EPA on average it contains 1% benzene. That's a far greater exposure than to overheated paraffin. If you smell gasoline when you fill your gas tank you have breathed in some benzene. Do it outside and worry less. |
Originally Posted by Iride01
(Post 22256783)
Are you going to be waxing your chain and dealing with melted paraffin for several hours a day every day of the year?
My mother died of a disease called MDS, a myelodysplastic blood disease, and exposure to benzene is thought to be one cause. |
I wouldn't recommend huffing this in an unventilated closet, but it's probably fine if you turn a fan on.
Maybe. I'm sure there's an expert on carcinogens on BF who will chime in, or at least someone willing to do some googling while pretending to be an expert on this topic. |
Originally Posted by msu2001la
(Post 22256841)
I wouldn't recommend huffing this in an unventilated closet, but it's probably fine if you turn a fan on.
Maybe. I'm sure there's an expert on carcinogens on BF who will chime in, or at least someone willing to do some googling while pretending to be an expert on this topic. I'm thinking of maybe just using a liquid wax instead of melted wax, something like Bananaslip Tungsten All-weather. It did very well in tests, about the best among the drip on waxes. Even if I went through a cassette and chain ring every year, (about $200 total) it's better than getting cancer! |
Originally Posted by Wattsup
(Post 22256850)
I'm thinking of maybe just using a liquid wax instead of melted wax, something like Bananaslip Tungsten All-weather. It did very well in tests, about the best among the drip on waxes. Even if I went through a cassette and chain ring every year, (about $200 total) it's better than getting cancer!
According to Google: Tungsten is a transition metal in the same block as many of the carcinogenic metals on the periodic table and holds potential to induce cancer-associated effects. You might want to wear gloves. |
If the main supporter for such cause is being backed by Proposition 65, then I'd be more concerned of being hit by a vehicle if riding the road bicycle in the roadways..
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Originally Posted by msu2001la
(Post 22256858)
Is this liquid wax is less likely to give you cancer than a melted wax?
According to Google: Tungsten is a transition metal in the same block as many of the carcinogenic metals on the periodic table and holds potential to induce cancer-associated effects. |
Originally Posted by msu2001la
(Post 22256858)
Is this liquid wax is less likely to give you cancer than a melted wax?
According to Google: Tungsten is a transition metal in the same block as many of the carcinogenic metals on the periodic table and holds potential to induce cancer-associated effects. You might want to wear gloves. Also...it's tungsten disulfide, and a quick google suggests that it's not dangerous. |
Originally Posted by Wattsup
(Post 22256850)
I'm thinking of maybe just using a liquid wax instead of melted wax, something like Bananaslip Tungsten All-weather. It did very well in tests, about the best among the drip on waxes. Even if I went through a cassette and chain ring every year, (about $200 total) it's better than getting cancer!
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Originally Posted by Wattsup
(Post 22256834)
No, not every day. I ride in some pretty moist, sandy, muddy conditions though, and supposedly, in those conditions, one is supposed to wax after most every ride. I could stretch it a couple three rides, probably using a liquid wax to top it off. How much carcinogen is safe?
My mother died of a disease called MDS, a myelodysplastic blood disease, and exposure to benzene is thought to be one cause. |
If you are concerned about it then just melt it or otherwise work with it in a well ventilated area. Outside is best. There are many more potentially carcinogenic things we touch or come in contact with every day. But similar to potentially poisonous stuff you come in contact with every day, the exposure times and amounts make a difference. IMO, though.
I'd certainly defer my opinion to any that study carcinogenic chemicals and can explain them in laymen's terms to me. But till then, I'll just hope that the government authorities that currently regulate such stuff have done their due diligence with it for the current knowledge out there. |
Originally Posted by genejockey
(Post 22256942)
Not to rain on the parade, but isn't a 'liquid wax' just heavier chain hydrocarbons suspended/dissolved in lighter chain hydrocarbons which evaporate, leaving only the heavies? So, volatile solvent - not generally known to be all that healthy.
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Originally Posted by Wattsup
(Post 22256753)
I just read that heating paraffin creates benzene. What do you all think? Here's where I read it. Search on benzene.
https://zerofrictioncycling.com.au/w...-FAQ-v1.3a.pdf You also don’t need to heat your paraffin to the kinds of temperatures where it would start smoking. It doesn’t start to burn until it is about 200°C (390°F) which is the smoking point. You only need it to be liquid, not smoking. The melt point is around 50°C to 70°C (115° to 150°F). You don’t need to heat it much above the melt point. The Zero Friction article is also wrong about Teflon. The decomposition products of Teflon aren’t PFOA (perflourooctanoic acid). The decomposition products are far more complex and far more toxic. You also have to heat Teflon to over 330°C (620°F) in order to decompose it. If you heat your wax to that temperature, your kitchen is likely to be on fire first. Using wax and/or teflon is safe as long as you don’t try to burn them. |
Originally Posted by spelger
(Post 22256960)
if i had to wax after each ride, well, i wouldn't wax at all then.
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Originally Posted by Gyro
(Post 22257014)
I don't oil after every ride.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
(Post 22256942)
Not to rain on the parade, but isn't a 'liquid wax' just heavier chain hydrocarbons suspended/dissolved in lighter chain hydrocarbons which evaporate, leaving only the heavies? So, volatile solvent - not generally known to be all that healthy.
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Originally Posted by masi61
(Post 22257028)
Once you get set up on a chain wax system where you rotate 2 or 3 chains, then waxing or changing chains after every ride would not be that time consuming. So long as you use quick links, changing out a chain takes about the same amount of time as putting air in your tires before a ride.
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Just use NFS lube. It’s the best.
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Originally Posted by Gyro
(Post 22257047)
Ahhhh, I'm one of them crazy guys. I change my chain once a year. Closing in 50,000 miles so far.
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Wear a respirator when working with solvents. Not that hard.
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I guess it's time to go back to a razor.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
(Post 22257068)
I guess it's time to go back to a razor.
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