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michaelz28 03-05-15 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by desconhecido (Post 17606957)
The 51 black Sports step through that we have has a black reflector housing. It seems to be original and the bike has other black accents like the brake cable clips. Also, the ends of the BB spindle are black as opposed to the typical shiny chrome. At the time, black was standard and other than black was a extra price option.

The rubber housing had a tear and I repaired it with CA glue infused with black rubber (purchased that way from Amazon, WBS). The glue dries hard, like other CA glue, but that was ok because the original rubber was PDH. I'd call the repair a success as it's barely noticeable even on close inspection. If I were trying to repair a white one, I'd experiment with CA glue mixed with baking soda to see if the color would be ok.

edited:

The point about the black reflectors -- probably, black reflector housings came on some older black bikes. How did a black one get on a non-black bike? Perhaps the bike needed a replacement and the shop had a black one in stock. Or, perhaps Raleigh put it on there because they were out of white ones the day it was assembled. Or, perhaps it was specced that way for some time -- with older Raleighs, who knows?

im thinking the same thing . it seems original as it a sturmy / archer with the lucas lense . being its a DOT thing i was wondering it the lense was datecoded . im a car guy , what do you want ...

Salubrious 03-05-15 09:27 PM

Correction to an earlier post: all the British bikes I have use 5/32" ball bearings in the headset, as well as my French Riva-Sport. I had previously thought they were 1/8".

To add to that they all use the same size bearing in the BB, a 1/4" if I recall right.

yodatic 03-06-15 11:01 AM

1958 Dawn Tourist?
 
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BigChief 03-06-15 11:53 AM

Wow. Beautiful bike yodatic. A superbe dawn tourist! Love it. Really rare stateside. Don't think they imported them here.

PalmettoUpstate 03-06-15 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by michaelz28 (Post 17607125)
im thinking the same thing . it seems original as it a sturmy / archer with the lucas lense . being its a DOT thing i was wondering it the lense was datecoded . im a car guy , what do you want ...

I just took a look at 4 of the 1.5 inch/40mm lenses - 3 are Fairylite and 1 is Lucas - and from what I saw in the numbering I'd be of the opinion that there was no date coding involved. BTW, and FWIW, I clean the white housings in the washing machine with a load of clothes; works great but really skanky ones might need to go thru two loads.

PalmettoUpstate 03-06-15 03:12 PM

1958 Birmingham Hercules Beach Bike
 
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PPPld warrior up for $15 today and will replace the ORIGINAL 57 year old tires and tubes and make it a beach bike.

It appears to have been "gone thru" sometime in the 70's as it has a trigger shifter and pulley wheel from that time. Darnedest thing - both tires still have air in them and not only has the bike not been ridden in years, it has been outside in a field for about the last year! And it rolls, shifts etc. quite well too. Thus what was going to be a parts bike will be given useful work intact as a beach bike. Talk about bulletproof...

Note:

1. Black heat cracked rubber 40mm rear reflector housing
2. Hercules "H" chain ring
3. Re-buildable pedals
4. Headbadge denotes built in Birmingham
5. Funky kickstand of a type I have not seen before

dweenk 03-06-15 03:50 PM

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"Thanks! You've got a good eye for detail. Prior to yesterday's new brakes and re routing of the rear brake cable the electrical (grey) and the brake cable were "as one" and ran side by side using the clips holding it all together. Now that the brake cable is on the NDS I figured I'd move the lighting over to that side too. That way the cables will be all together and the rear light will be on the correct side for traffic. I never thought about black electrical cable. I've seen that on eBay. Donations gladly accepted. Maybe one of the coops would have them. I've found some pretty obscure old parts. I've got to go when I've got a lot of time to dig through stuff."

Here is how my Raleigh Sports wiring is run. The brake cable clamps have the wire looped around - it looks pretty clean (cleaner than the bike).
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arex 03-06-15 04:10 PM

Wow...you guys are digging up some pretty spiffy old bikes lately.

SirMike1983 03-07-15 12:11 PM

Yes- Superbe Dawn Tourist. It may be missing the dry battery unit, which often happens. But the other upgrades are there. Nice project. The FG hub is outstanding to have- a little extra low end when you need it, even if the shifter adjustment is trickier. That will clean up pretty nicely. That's a keeper- much harder to find in the US than a regular Sports or common US-pattern DL1... MUCH harder. 1958 looks about right for all that.

gster 03-07-15 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate (Post 17609037)
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PPPld warrior up for $15 today and will replace the ORIGINAL 57 year old tires and tubes and make it a beach bike.

It appears to have been "gone thru" sometime in the 70's as it has a trigger shifter and pulley wheel from that time. Darnedest thing - both tires still have air in them and not only has the bike not been ridden in years, it has been outside in a field for about the last year! And it rolls, shifts etc. quite well too. Thus what was going to be a parts bike will be given useful work intact as a beach bike. Talk about bulletproof...

Note:

1. Black heat cracked rubber 40mm rear reflector housing
2. Hercules "H" chain ring
3. Re-buildable pedals
4. Headbadge denotes built in Birmingham
5. Funky kickstand of a type I have not seen before

I find that the new tubes need constant filling, whereas my old Flying Pigeon (1955) with original Flying Pigeon tubes and tires rarely needs a top up. This is progress!

Sixty Fiver 03-07-15 07:17 PM

I use Schwalbe tubes... used to park my Raleigh Superbe 3 speed in the fall and ride it in the spring with no appreciable losses.

Low end tubes don't work this well.

PalmettoUpstate 03-07-15 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 17611476)
I find that the new tubes need constant filling, whereas my old Flying Pigeon (1955) with original Flying Pigeon tubes and tires rarely needs a top up. This is progress!

Yeah I brought the bike up on the sunny deak [65 degrees and sunny] today and showed my wife her bike beach for this year. She like it a lot - for the purpose. When I sort it out I'm gonna re-use the OEM tubes. There's a saying that I generally adhere to: "If it ain't broke; don't fix it"....

BTW, how did you come across your Flying Pigeon and is it 3-speed or single speed?

PalmettoUpstate 03-07-15 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 17611859)
I use Schwalbe tubes... used to park my Raleigh Superbe 3 speed in the fall and ride it in the spring with no appreciable losses.

Low end tubes don't work this well.

Good to know. I have quite a few things German around here and have never been disappointed with one. Best source for us lay people?

Velocivixen 03-07-15 09:05 PM

How are you all figuring out what type/brand of rear reflector you have? I see @PalmettoUpstate mentions a couple of different kinds in a post above. I looked at the rear reflector on my Phillips & see no writing. Would it be on the back side?

Anyway, I move the dyno light wiring over the the left side of the bike. Cut electrical tape into 1/3 strips & about every 8" or so I wrapped around light wire/brake housing so it would stay looking "as one". Redid the light wiring a couple of times so it's not so evident. It may not look like it on the bike, but prior to this, when it was on the other side the extra wire was sort of wadded up. At least now it's done neatly. My bike has those SA alloy straps to fix the cable to the bike. You will notice on the side of the tail light the "SA" insignia is now upside down.
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8583/...53beee6b_z.jpgAdditional cable Solution by velocivixen, on Flickr
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8672/...c84feb51_z.jpgBrake & Dyno Wire Routing by velocivixen, on Flickrhttps://farm9.staticflickr.com/8582/...175e233ee0.jpgWiring for '55 Dynamo Tail Light by velocivixen, on Flickr

PalmettoUpstate 03-07-15 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 17612111)
How are you all figuring out what type/brand of rear reflector you have? I see @PalmettoUpstate mentions a couple of different kinds in a post above. I looked at the rear reflector on my Phillips & see no writing. Would it be on the back side?

The writing is in the red lens. I have never noticed any markings/writing on any of the rubber housings. This pic shows three units that I bought on ebay and the one with the lens out that is from a bike that I have in rehabilitation process. If you look at the lens that is out of the housing you would find the writing on the outside of the circle made by the lens.

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Velocivixen 03-07-15 09:55 PM

Hmmm. Without disassembling my lens, who were common lens makers in England around the mid '50's?

PalmettoUpstate 03-07-15 10:03 PM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 17612185)
Hmmm. Without disassembling my lens, who were common lens makers in England around the mid '50's?

I'm thinking Sturmey Archer and the infamous Lucas Lighting. You don't have to disassemble the lens to see the writing on it. Just get a flashlight and go for it. IIRC even the repros have some kind of writing on the lens but I can't sat that with certainty w/o going out to the corral to look at one and its buried in there pretty deep LOL.

BTW, if you do take the reflector unit apart be sure to work the lens out slowly - with the age it has on it, it will try to crack on you.

Velocivixen 03-07-15 10:25 PM


Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate (Post 17612195)
I'm thinking Sturmey Archer and the infamous Lucas Lighting. You don't have to disassemble the lens to see the writing on it. Just get a flashlight and go for it. IIRC even the repros have some kind of writing on the lens but I can't sat that with certainty w/o going out to the corral to look at one and its buried in there pretty deep LOL.

BTW, if you do take the reflector unit apart be sure to work the lens out slowly - with the age it has on it, it will try to crack on you.

I just looked closely and saw Phillips on the black part surrounding the red lens. No writing on the lens itself. My understanding is that after WW II, Phillips was known more as a "Fitments" (components?) company and less known for their bikes. It would make sense that they offered reflectors, although the actual lens part may be made by others.

PalmettoUpstate 03-07-15 10:27 PM

I'm thinking that this is the exact unit that is on your bike and indeed, there is no writing on the lens so far as I can see:
Vintage Bicycle Phillips Rear Mudguard Fender Reflector 1950'S | eBay

Also, I revisited the jpegs of your bike and I think that the reflector is mounted upside down. You'll probably have to remove the wheel to do it but it needs to be rotated 180 degrees from what I see.

Or, purely for the modern aesthetic, you could leave it as is and point your handlebars up in the frou-frou angle discussed recently on this thread and the front of your bike would match the back - LOL!

Just kidding; it's probably time to put the superb Costco corn likker aside for the nite ;v)

gster 03-07-15 10:43 PM

[QUOTE=PalmettoUpstate;17611910]Yeah I brought the bike up on the sunny deak [65 degrees and sunny] today and showed my wife her bike beach for this year. She like it a lot - for the purpose. When I sort it out I'm gonna re-use the OEM tubes. There's a saying that I generally adhere to: "If it ain't broke; don't fix it"....

BTW, how did you come across your Flying Pigeon and is it 3-speed or single speed?[/QUOTE
Here's a post about the Flying Pigeon

https://threespeedmania.wordpress.co...flying-pigeon/

Velocivixen 03-07-15 10:45 PM

@PalmettoUpstate - what makes you think it's upside-down?


Here's the side view. Note the wider black part at the top curve of the fender. If you turned it with the thin part at the top, wouldn't that make the reflector face up more? I think it's on correctly.
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7595/...67c9810e_z.jpgPhillips Fender Reflector by velocivixen, on Flickr

desconhecido 03-07-15 10:46 PM

Can't believe I went out in the middle of the night to check on a reflector. The Black Widow's (51 Sports Light Roadster step-through) black housing has "Raleigh Industries Ltd" on the top and "Lucas" on the bottom. There's also a Lucas id number, but I can't remember what it is. The red reflector itself has the RI (Raleigh Industries) logo sized to about the diameter of the reflector.

desconhecido 03-07-15 10:49 PM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 17612255)
@PalmettoUpstate - what makes you think it's upside-down?

I don't know what picture was referred to, but the reflector should be mounted so that the reflector surface is roughly perpendicular to the ground. The housing, if it's like the Raleigh, has a fat part and a skinny part. The fat part goes on top.

edit: just took another look at the most recent picture and there is a red bike in the background which appears to have the QR on the right (as opposed to the gauche/sinister) side. Somewhere in the world there is a bike forum pedant sticking red hot pokers in his eyes.

edit again: I'm probably wrong. Is that a fork on the red bike? I'm trying to understand the threaded fitment being on the front of the fork and it doesn't make sense to me. But, the Phillips prevents viewing of the chain stay, if it's a rear.

Velocivixen 03-07-15 10:54 PM


Originally Posted by desconhecido (Post 17612262)
I don't know what picture was referred to, but the reflector should be mounted so that the reflector surface is roughly perpendicular to the ground. The housing, if it's like the Raleigh, has a fat part and a skinny part. The fat part goes on top.

Yes, it's that way now. See amended post above with lateral view photo. ;)

PalmettoUpstate 03-07-15 10:55 PM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 17612223)
I just looked closely and saw Phillips on the black part surrounding the red lens. No writing on the lens itself. My understanding is that after WW II, Phillips was known more as a "Fitments" (components?) company and less known for their bikes. It would make sense that they offered reflectors, although the actual lens part may be made by others.

Interesting. I love this arcania. I had to go out and check that black housing on the bike I picked up yesterday [the Hercules] and it reads, as I painstakingly discerned lying on my side on the deck, "Made in England" and nothing else.


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