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clubman 09-05-18 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20548284)
Here's a good looking late 50s 21" Sports near Beantown at a reasonable asking price. Even has a usable looking non-orginal leather saddle.
https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bi...687976698.html

It's amazing that Raleigh cables have lasted 60 years or longer without
breaking apart or rusting out. If only we manufactured products today with that ethos.

Salubrious 09-05-18 01:03 PM

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...edf138761a.jpg

1950 Claud Butler
All British Cycle Event coming up...
Bronze-welded 'All-rounder' frame, Alloy AW hub, Chater Lea cranks, Weber pedals, Reynolds stem, GB Sport alloy brakes, Bayliss Wiley front hub and bottom bracket. Total weight with fenders about 24 pounds.

nlerner 09-05-18 08:46 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20548284)
Here's a good looking late 50s 21" Sports near Beantown at a reasonable asking price. Even has a usable looking non-orginal leather saddle.
https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bi...687976698.html

I think that one might have a 4-speed hub. Note the non-drive side axle nut. The trigger is clearly marked 3-speed, however.

jon.612 09-05-18 09:26 PM

Still working on this one - many kinks to work out. It started as a quadrant shifter - the rest of the bike followed. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...828b3790a8.jpg

desconhecido 09-05-18 09:48 PM


Originally Posted by jon.612 (Post 20549593)
Still working on this one - many kinks to work out. It started as a quadrant shifter - the rest of the bike followed. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...828b3790a8.jpg

Very nice. Can't really make out the brakes, not common, I'd guess, Looks like something that @rhm posted about a couple years ago, maybe.

BigChief 09-06-18 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 20549549)


I think that one might have a 4-speed hub. Note the non-drive side axle nut. The trigger is clearly marked 3-speed, however.

Wouldn't that be nice. Even looks possible to be an alloy shell. But, like you say, that shifter looks pretty original. This is the kind of bike I hate to pass up, but I have to until I unload some past projects. I can tell, even in these pictures that it would polish and clean up to one of those beautiful patinas. Pre TI, all there except for the saddle and grips, transfers look good, no bad rust and even a good later Brooks. It's a good one.

BigChief 09-06-18 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 20548744)
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...edf138761a.jpg

1950 Claud Butler
All British Cycle Event coming up...
Bronze-welded 'All-rounder' frame, Alloy AW hub, Chater Lea cranks, Weber pedals, Reynolds stem, GB Sport alloy brakes, Bayliss Wiley front hub and bottom bracket. Total weight with fenders about 24 pounds.

Nice! Seeing this gets me thinking about super light roadster projects again.

BigChief 09-06-18 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by jon.612 (Post 20549593)
Still working on this one - many kinks to work out. It started as a quadrant shifter - the rest of the bike followed. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...828b3790a8.jpg

I like this! But you can't just post this photo without some more details! Not fair. So, what do we have here? Is that an early 30s Raleigh frameset? More pics...more info please :50:

JohnDThompson 09-06-18 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 20549549)
I think that one might have a 4-speed hub. Note the non-drive side axle nut. The trigger is clearly marked 3-speed, however.

FWIW, I have a couple SW 3-speed hubs that use the two-piece indicator and left-side windowed nut.

A close-up of the hub shell would clarify this.

agmetal 09-06-18 09:42 PM

I recently inherited a couple old cameras from my grandfather, one of which is an early 1950s Voigtländer Perkeo II in excellent working condition. I took it out for a test run a few days ago, and felt that my ANT roadster would be a good subject:


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8870cdab35.jpg
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52telecaster 09-07-18 04:51 AM


Originally Posted by agmetal (Post 20551622)

I recently inherited a couple old cameras from my grandfather, one of which is an early 1950s Voigtländer Perkeo II in excellent working condition. I took it out for a test run a few days ago, and felt that my ANT roadster would be a good subject:


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8870cdab35.jpg
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thank you very much!

Ballenxj 09-07-18 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by agmetal (Post 20551622)

I recently inherited a couple old cameras from my grandfather, one of which is an early 1950s Voigtländer Perkeo II in excellent working condition. I took it out for a test run a few days ago, and felt that my ANT roadster would be a good subject:


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*Nice. :thumb: They go well together, the camera and bike that is. Looks to be 6x6 format?

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DQRider 09-07-18 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by agmetal (Post 20551622)

I recently inherited a couple old cameras from my grandfather, one of which is an early 1950s Voigtländer Perkeo II in excellent working condition. I took it out for a test run a few days ago, and felt that my ANT roadster would be a good subject:

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Wow! That is an excellent* photograph.
Two questions:

1) What film did you use?

2) Did you develop and print this yourself?

I have toyed with the idea of getting another film camera, but digital is just so darned easy that it is hard to justify the expense.

Thanks for sharing that!

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thumpism 09-07-18 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20547446)
I have a chainguard and a non Raleigh 28" rear fender that would fit. I also have a roll of heavy galvanized wire that chainstays could be made from.

I would get it for the parts. My own 22" Tourist is much rattier than this one and those rod brake pieces could come in handy someday if I ever take mine down off the hook and get it into the stand.

thumpism 09-07-18 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by Velo Mule (Post 20547235)
A dl-1 with one crank arm and missing the seat stays. Well, at least the price is right. It could be a project. Any 28" wheels in there? Fenders?

I see that you already have a DL-1 so, that frees you up to get creative. The seat stays can be fabricated. This can even be a point of creativity. Polished Aluminum perhaps?

Did you grab it? Is this a project for you then? If so, keep us up to date on the plans and how things are going.

Did not get it (yet) and the place is only open two days a week. If it's still there next visit and not completely buried I will probably fish it out. I'd hate to let something that quaint get away, as demonstrated by paying ten bucks for the battered 22" that I got from them at the old place.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f4c2929aa1.jpg

clubman 09-07-18 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by DQRider (Post 20551933)
Wow! That is an excellent* photograph.

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+1 I've got a similar Voigtlander in my drawer. Now I've got to get it out and start something.

DQRider 09-07-18 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20552396)
+1 I've got a similar Voigtlander in my drawer. Now I've got to get it out and start something.

Not to go off-topic here, but where are all these stray asterisks (*) coming from?

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Cute Boy Horse 09-07-18 12:45 PM

https://s22.postimg.cc/58aoi3bzl/Dmgs_VLYXo_AEDSHj.jpg

Finally replaced the Lepper Primus with a B66. Managed to get ahold of a saddlebag for a cheap price too. Annoying to go from a nicely worn in saddle to a concrete feeling one.

Buellster 09-07-18 01:05 PM

I know it is not a 3 speed, but it is an english frame and you guys were such a huge help with getting me to this point especially @DQRider and @BigChief.
I thought I'd show you guys how it turned out... so far. I do think I need get a new headset. It catches a bit when the handle bars are nearly all the way to the right (drive side), but more so I cant ride it with no hands. I can do it on my 70 sport but not on this Harding. The frame is straight, and the fork dropouts are aligned so my last bet is the headset. Past that I dont know what else causes this. It's not so much that the front wheel jerks any particular direction. It's more like the whole bike falls to one side or the other. I can stay up for a short burst with a LOT of effort and it wobbles out again.
Anyway, here is the thread where I talk about the journey of getting the build to where it is.
Here

DQRider 09-07-18 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by Buellster (Post 20552830)
I know it is not a 3 speed, but it is an english frame and you guys were such a huge help with getting me to this point especially @DQRider and @BigChief.
I thought I'd show you guys how it turned out... so far. I do think I need get a new headset. It catches a bit when the handle bars are nearly all the way to the right (drive side), but more so I cant ride it with no hands. I can do it on my 70 sport but not on this Harding. The frame is straight, and the fork dropouts are aligned so my last bet is the headset. Past that I dont know what else causes this. It's not so much that the front wheel jerks any particular direction. It's more like the whole bike falls to one side or the other. I can stay up for a short burst with a LOT of effort and it wobbles out again.
Anyway, here is the thread where I talk about the journey of getting the build to where it is.
Here

I read that build thread, and can sympathize with some of your travails. However, I know Microshift makes a simple Alfine 8 thumb shifter, and it is readily available if you know where to look.

Two minutes of searching brought me here: Microshift Alfine 8 Thumb Shifter

I used a previous version with a partially polished aluminum body on my "Unnecessary Bridgestone":

https://i.imgur.com/QrREe4P.png

That comes closest to the English 3-speed experience, IMHO. But whatever you choose for components, that is one sweet frameset you started out with.

About the no-hands issue: Does it pull to the same side every time? Are you sure your wheels are in alignment? Otherwise it might just be down to the more sporting frame geometry.

Anyway, I like where you're going with this. Please keep us posted.

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Salubrious 09-07-18 01:58 PM

@mtb_addict I've got a 21" I'm selling. They are out there, but you have to keep your eyes peeled.

This particular machine (Riva Sport) I found at an antique shop. Its pretty rare- its a very light weight French built frame, with fancy lugwork. But its got a Brampton hub and shifter, so it seems to qualify. The geometry is similar to a British machine, but it has odd things like an alloy front hub and alloy hubs on the pedals, even though the pedals also have rubber blocks. The frame builder apparently thought to build a bike to compete against the British machines but with a hand-built frame. Internet information is really scarce, so apparently also this was a Bad Idea. I've found no photos online of this bike, so I have to think its pretty rare.

clubman 09-07-18 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by DQRider (Post 20552404)
Not to go off-topic here, but where are all these stray asterisks (*) coming from?

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Not visible to me.

Buellster 09-07-18 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by DQRider (Post 20552945)
I read that build thread, and can sympathize with some of your travails. However, I know Microshift makes a simple Alfine 8 thumb shifter, and it is readily available if you know where to look.

Two minutes of searching brought me here: Microshift Alfine 8 Thumb Shifter

I used a previous version with a partially polished aluminum body on my "Unnecessary Bridgestone":

https://i.imgur.com/QrREe4P.png

That comes closest to the English 3-speed experience, IMHO. But whatever you choose for components, that is one sweet frameset you started out with.

About the no-hands issue: Does it pull to the same side every time? Are you sure your wheels are in alignment? Otherwise it might just be down to the more sporting frame geometry.

Anyway, I like where you're going with this. Please keep us posted.

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That is a gorgeous Bridgestone! Before I had any idea what I was looking for with vintage cycles I turned my nose up at a few Bridgestones, I had no idea how nice they can be and just didnt recognize the brand. I wish I had taken them more seriously. I learned my lesson and I wont turn my nose up at anything I dont recognize untill I've done some research.
I had spotted those shifters and I was hoping to encounter someone who had used one. I've read some bad reviews about the micro shift bar end shifters when used with the alfine 8. I've got some porterur bars that I would love to put on the Harding with a bar end shifter set up, but I think they would also work just fine with the trigger shifter. I very much like the idea of getting that "three speed feel" back again.

It's generally to the right, towards drive side.
The wheels are both true, or at least very near. No noticable wobble.
Now that you mention it I never could get my Carbolight 103 Puegeot to run no handed. Even with everything straight and true, so perhaps it is that...
I'll keep you guys in the loop for sure!

clubman 09-07-18 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by mtb_addict (Post 20552875)

About to throw in the towel and buy a modern bike instead. What is the closest modern new equivalent to English 3 speed?

There's no equivalent. Where do you live? I've got a couple of frames/bikes.

Buellster 09-07-18 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by mtb_addict (Post 20552875)
How long did it take you to find your dream English 3 speed?

I'm checking FB and CL daily...not much English 3 out here it seems...when there is one, it's usually a large frame or a women frame. I want a Men 21", in decent condition.

About to throw in the towel and buy a modern bike instead. What is the closest modern new equivalent to English 3 speed?

It depends on what I'm willing to pay. I havnt found my "dream" yet but my army green 70s sports was my first real english 3 speed and it's been a beautiful introduction into this world. There is a 50s raliegh sports with a dyno hub hanging around on my offer up for $100. The other end of the spectrum is a mint 60s superbe on CL for $995. Those are both 21".
Other than those two things run the Gambit from a sekai 3 speed, which is probably no ones "dream" but looks to be a good bike, and a whole plethora of schwinns with SA gear in varying condition.
Just today I also found a 1960s Dunelt for $150. It would need some work but I'm sure its someone's heart throb.
You could also get a three speed hub and do a wheel build and put it on a supercourse or the like. Some truly beautiful builds in this thread are not.the standard set ups. The previous posts bridgestone is a great example in my book.
just dont do what I did and get a 4 speed, unless you already have a trigger haha

BigChief 09-07-18 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by mtb_addict (Post 20552875)
How long did it take you to find your dream English 3 speed?

I'm checking FB and CL daily...not much English 3 out here it seems...when there is one, it's usually a large frame or a women frame. I want a Men 21", in decent condition.

About to throw in the towel and buy a modern bike instead. What is the closest modern new equivalent to English 3 speed?

I'll say that I see at least one good one a month on average in the Boston to Portland Maine area. It was hard for me to pass up the one I posted here a couple days ago. I think it goes back to my early fascination with English bikes as a kid that causes me to rule out TI Raleighs. It's not entirely logical. There's an emotional aspect to it. I just like everything about the older ones better. A bit like the way I feel when I see a vintage XKE on the road while a modern zillion dollar Jag makes me yawn.
I see some of those stray asterisks too

Ballenxj 09-07-18 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by DQRider (Post 20552404)
Not to go off-topic here, but where are all these stray asterisks (*) coming from?

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I saw them on my post as well, #17975 . I chocked it up to something I missed, but I see it happened to you too?

thumpism 09-07-18 05:54 PM

Well, I went to find a nice 21" for our friend but look what turned up in my size instead. You're on your own, dude.

https://charlottesville.craigslist.o...691956935.html

Vintage bike 1960 - $50 (Ruckersville)

https://images.craigslist.org/00v0v_...CX_600x450.jpg


bicycle type: bmx
frame size: Medium
make / manufacturer: Raleigh
wheel size: 26 in

Selling this vintage bike from 1960s. It's pretty worn out and weathered however it could surely be restored. It needs a new chain and wheels are pretty squeaky and seat is pretty worn but it's nothing that can't be fixed. Let me know if interested.

BigChief 09-07-18 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 20553329)
Well, I went to find a nice 21" for our friend but look what turned up in my size instead. You're on your own, dude.

https://charlottesville.craigslist.o...691956935.html

Vintage bike 1960 - $50 (Ruckersville)

https://images.craigslist.org/00v0v_...CX_600x450.jpg


bicycle type: bmx
frame size: Medium
make / manufacturer: Raleigh
wheel size: 26 in

Selling this vintage bike from 1960s. It's pretty worn out and weathered however it could surely be restored. It needs a new chain and wheels are pretty squeaky and seat is pretty worn but it's nothing that can't be fixed. Let me know if interested.

Ahhh a Superbe! Nice find. Won't last long at that price. Found another good project 23" 57 Sports up this way. Seller mentions the "rare" SW hub. Apparently, it needs an overhaul. Yup, uh huh.
https://maine.craigslist.org/bik/d/c...691823679.html

BigChief 09-07-18 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by Cute Boy Horse (Post 20552767)
https://s22.postimg.cc/58aoi3bzl/Dmgs_VLYXo_AEDSHj.jpg

Finally replaced the Lepper Primus with a B66. Managed to get ahold of a saddlebag for a cheap price too. Annoying to go from a nicely worn in saddle to a concrete feeling one.

I've never had a new one. No idea how long it takes to break in, but these are, hands down my favorite saddle for upright riding. Looks great on this roadster.


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