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BFisher 06-01-21 05:51 PM

Rain or snow, 65 years old on a roadster. Love it!

A beautiful place.

nlerner 06-01-21 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 22084250)
My wife's best friend lives in Goleen. I'll send this along. I've spent quite a bit of time with 'the Irish' but I have no idea what that man is saying. Cork is beautiful.

Yeah, I could have used captions.

Dsprok 06-01-21 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 22048336)
The pedals were bad but there was a run on them about 25 years ago when a lot of guys were rebuilding their Raleigh Choppers. I saw NOS pars go for up to $100 when ebay was the wild west for auctions. I had a cool set in white on this Eatons Glider (Colt).
They were still crap but at least they looked good.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6f4beab846.jpg

That's nice!
I've never seen them in white

SirMike1983 06-01-21 09:19 PM

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HTQ_r92iY...524_180117.jpg

Unca_Sam 06-02-21 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 22084480)

I want to take the opportunity to thank you for your website. I've used it as a reference in the past!

cudak888 06-02-21 11:01 AM

I had a hell of a time deciding whether this belonged in the Wacky World of eBay thread or here, but I'd say there's enough redeeming qualities about this thing for it to go here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/274760670508

What happens when you smash a 1975/6 Lemon Yellow Sports into a Bronze Green 1973+ Raleigh Superbe? 1970's interior decor on a bike.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e3d3015897.jpg


-Kurt

Johno59 06-02-21 11:53 AM

V
 

Originally Posted by bazil4696 (Post 22082895)
I've been working on the Resilion brakes on my recently acquired '52 Claud Butler Ladyback tandem. I began by removing the rear brakes and soaking them in Evaporust which worked nicely. Then, after much thought, I've decided to reproduce the complete housing/ cable assemblies, rather than cut the existing assembly apart to harvest the hardware and merely take the easy way out and just replace cables and housings. I'm a machinist so. It's a nice lunchtime project. I made drawings of all components and started with the hardest part, the sleeve where both cable ends feed out from the main cable coming from the brake levers. I need front and back. First I made a crimp tool to size the brass as it goes from round to oval where both ferrules fit inside. Then, using the original part, sized the tube from the round dimension, and drilled it so the wall thickness was matched.
Turns out the tube is actually stepped bigger, so the first run of parts didn't size up, but proved the aluminum crimp tool will work. After developing the correct diameter of blank on the second attempt, I used a harder hex brass I had for years...
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bb78f63b0d.jpg
Here's the original crimped fitting next to the correct size blank, but failed crimp, and the underdeveloped size, but good crimp. You can see the part on the left collapsed completely. On the second attempt, i supported the inside with keystock to prevent failure. It still failed. The nice crimps were on undersize formable brass.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3eedc41f16.jpg
Heres a shot of how much the wall collapsed with and without internal support. I made bigger stepped parts from harder brass, which I had, but the crimp failed due to material hardness. I've ordered the soft formable brass from Mcmaster-Carr and will be attempting more trickery soon.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3b35215ca6.jpg
From left to right; Revised size of barrel (2) This brass was easy to machine from hex stock i had previously. 1st attempt to crimp, but finished size was too small. Crimp tool worked okay. 2nd attempt with max dia from stock using formable brass. Aluminum crimp tool can be seen on the right.

Are you sure they are brass. I have dozens. Some appear to be bronze and some are definitely mild steel.

Rherdegen 06-02-21 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 22085048)
I had a hell of a time deciding whether this belonged in the Wacky World of eBay thread or here, but I'd say there's enough redeeming qualities about this thing for it to go here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/274760670508

What happens when you smash a 1975/6 Lemon Yellow Sports into a Bronze Green 1973+ Raleigh Superbe? 1970's interior decor on a bike.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e3d3015897.jpg


-Kurt

That hurts the eyes. Oughta be a law against it.

BFisher 06-02-21 01:25 PM

I think it would be fun to have one of these where each part was a different factory original color.

cudak888 06-02-21 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by BFisher (Post 22085245)
I think it would be fun to have one of these where each part was a different factory original color.

Don't give me those ideas! :lol:

-Kurt

gster 06-02-21 03:15 PM

A couple of recent offerings here in Toronto
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4c1a07eb31.png
An interesting BSA Balmoral at a reasonable $200.00 (with the disliked pedals)
and...
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...de2759c3bf.jpg
A ladies DL-1 at a not so reasonable $900.00!!

thumpism 06-02-21 09:02 PM

Shiny couple.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...04504912911731

https://scontent.fric1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...49&oe=60DC5C93

thumpism 06-02-21 09:22 PM

Looks like a ladies' 23" frame.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...49998259555406

https://scontent.fric1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...78&oe=60DF8713

bazil4696 06-03-21 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by Johno59 (Post 22085127)
Are you sure they are brass. I have dozens. Some appear to be bronze and some are definitely mild steel.

All the hardware is brass and plated brass on this girl, except the small threaded hex sleeves, which I'm making from brass. I'll not bother to plate anything, but might "age it" if it looks too shiny.

gster 06-03-21 02:49 PM

A couple more Toronto listings
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...eb77fc018e.jpg
A decent DL-1 @ $300
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c96b74b719.jpg
A Raleigh built Glider @ $290.00

gster 06-03-21 04:19 PM

An English bike (a Bitsa) in a Canadian garden with a French gargoyle...
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bc822d83aa.jpg

thumpism 06-03-21 05:22 PM

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...11357511057794

https://scontent.fric1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...cb&oe=60DE316A

browngw 06-03-21 09:31 PM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 22085048)
I had a hell of a time deciding whether this belonged in the Wacky World of eBay thread or here, but I'd say there's enough redeeming qualities about this thing for it to go here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/274760670508

What happens when you smash a 1975/6 Lemon Yellow Sports into a Bronze Green 1973+ Raleigh Superbe? 1970's interior decor on a bike.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e3d3015897.jpg


-Kurt

That's not wacky at all! I added green Bluemels to this yellow Favorit this spring and it sold for $225! Painted the plastic pump green too.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e7ddb994cd.jpg

cudak888 06-03-21 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 22087393)
That's not wacky at all! I added green Bluemels to this yellow Favorit this spring and it sold for $225! Painted the plastic pump green too.

Those orange grips really tie the room together.

Jokes aside, that Favorit pulls it off a lot better.

Were those green Bluemels from one of those oddball early 1960's Superbes that came with these?


-Kurt

gster 06-04-21 11:09 AM

What a Tool!
I've had this pedal wrench for years. It's quite chewed up
but still works
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...98dda4287e.jpg
I just noticed today that it's made by CYCLO.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...03f7e29042.jpg

thumpism 06-05-21 05:58 PM

Dutchy Sturmey drummy curiosity.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...36726757810910

https://scontent.fric1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...12&oe=60E3632B

SirMike1983 06-05-21 08:34 PM

If you really have to have a Dutch type opafiets, that's not a bad buy. They're a little bit different because of the parts they use and those drum brakes. Some people really like them, and some prefer the English variation, but the build quality usually is pretty good.

cudak888 06-05-21 08:53 PM

Thanks to @dmark - who also took the pics - this Humber should be on its way to me soon. I'm taking a guess that it's a '48 at the latest due to the shifter - haven't seen the rear hub date or the Dynohub (I think it's an 8 volt GH8) - and I snapped it up just because how utterly perfect it is. A couple of flaws, yes, but examples this nice don't come around often. Only downside are galvanized spokes that don't look too good. The rims don't match the perfection of the frame either. Might have to rebuild those at some point.

No bifurcated fork on this (I suspect the factory ran out and went with standard forks), and even though it's a rod brake model, it rolls on 26x1-3/8" wheels, as some pre-1950s models were. I'm guessing it's rough equivalent to what's shown in the 1936 catalog as the Dawn Tourist X - the only rod-brake chaincase model with EA3 wheels: https://www.velo-pages.com/main.php?...geViewsIndex=1 EDIT: Cob X Tourist, basically the Humber equivalent to the Dawn Tourist X: http://threespeedhub.com/wp-content/...og-1936-UK.pdf

FYI, @dmark is looking for a rear wheel or 40 hole 1950's Raleigh Westrick rim for a Rudge that has a Westwood on it at the moment.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...42d567f062.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f055f6a705.jpg

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f3494e73f7.jpg


-Kurt

capnjonny 06-05-21 11:05 PM

Look what just came into the bike Exchange
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...84946c4812.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...866674464e.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5dae89d09c.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0226c6876e.jpg
Ho hum, just another Ladies Raleigh 3 speed.
But look again . This is a 24" Raleigh Space Rider, with a Sturmey Archer 3 speed and coaster brake.

I already stripped it down and will start cleaning and polishing everything tomorrow.
It looks like it was hardly ridden and probably kept indoors . Good paint, minimal rust. Still weighs a bloody ton - 37 lbs. to be exact.
Some little girl is going to get a very special bike when it is done. ​​​​​​​

gster 06-06-21 08:33 AM

couple of continuing projects
Both of these bikes are typical "Bitsa" builds
Bits from here
Bits from there
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6f52d0f55f.jpg
A 1961 Superbe that was dropped off at my house a while back/
It had been painted (poorly) and while stripping it I decided to
leave the frame as is.
It's got a 61 hub and an EA1 front rim/tire .
I'm not sure why, but I guess that's what I had available at the time.
A stamped eye on the heron chain ring indicates 1961 or earlier.
Rides and shifts well.
I'm taking it out today for a 30 mile ride.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...097c25a33c.jpg
This one's a bit of a mess.
It's a Raleigh 10 speed frame (24")
running another 61 hub with a Gyes leather saddle.
The wheels are out of proportion and I'm thinking of finding another
23" Frame and swapping parts over and giving/trading this frame to
a friend.
At one point it was set up as a single speed coaster brake but that back wheel
went to a more deserving project for a neighbour.

RobHalligan 06-06-21 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 22081986)
I'm looking for spoke lengths for the following:

36 hole GH6 front hub to 36 hole Westrick ISO 590 (26 x 1 3/8 standard Sports) rim. This would be a 1974 and later stock front wheel set up with the 36 hole front dynohub to the 36 hole Westrick rim.

The 32 holes are much more common and I can get spoke lengths from the charts for those. But I'm looking to build a wheel from a 36 hole Westrick rim and a 36 hole GH6 dynohub. Has anyone done that and what are the spoke lengths you used?

Spoke length chart for most Raleigh rim and hub combos: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AjXH4nd0KT1FsL0X...h1v_Q?e=sxMHjF (link to file in my MS OneDrive...also uploaded)
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6c97344851.jpg

cudak888 06-07-21 10:27 PM

Seeing as we have the ISO/For Trade thread that not all of us 3-speed enthusiasts visit...thought I'd mention that I'm after these bits:
  • A 1950's or early 1960's Raleigh Sports North Road handlebar. The kind with the better chrome than the '70s stuff.
  • A 1950's Raleigh Sports/Superbe front Westrick rim (the kind with the dull chrome raised center), 32 hole, of course.
  • One 1950's Sturmey-Archer serrated hub washer - the serrated washer with knurling. It was used prior to the slotted anti-rotation type.
  • A 1950's 1" Raleigh cable fulcrum clamp; the kind with the dull chrome finish on the inside.
-Kurt

vintagebicycle 06-08-21 07:29 PM

Been listed a month now, but no takers.

https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/...315107837.html

When a clean Tourist in a tall frame goes unsold for a month at $300, it just goes to show how bad the bike scene is around here.
There are dozens of Raleighs within 50 miles of here, all look like good solid bikes, all listed at pretty reasonable prices but most remain listed till the ad expires without finding a new home.

oldspokes 06-09-21 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by vintagebicycle (Post 22093996)
Been listed a month now, but no takers.

https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/...315107837.html

When a clean Tourist in a tall frame goes unsold for a month at $300, it just goes to show how bad the bike scene is around here.
There are dozens of Raleighs within 50 miles of here, all look like good solid bikes, all listed at pretty reasonable prices but most remain listed till the ad expires without finding a new home.

There's been a dozen or more nice looking vintage Raleigh bikes lately in the Philly and South Jersey area but none ever sell unless they're under $25. Its not just old three speeds, CL and FB in those areas are full of mostly department store bikes and when something decent shows up it gets ignored. I listed a couple of high end road bikes when I lived there a few years ago and they never sold, not so much as a single email. I had a box of brand new 700C rims from the 60's I was trying to sell for $20 each, they never sold on CL, yet they went for hundreds on eBay to someone not 10 miles outside of Philly. He paid 15 times what I had them listed for on CL and still drove to pick them up. The guy said he had been watching them on CL for a year but said he doesn't like to deal with people directly, so when they went up on eBay he bid them up to the moon. He then came and paid cash and picked them up anyhow.
He could have had the whole box for what he paid on ebay for one pair. Nearly every pair I listed went to local buyers who picked them up, yet they ignored the CL ad.
There's a seller in SJ right now with a bunch of new road wheelsets and a couple of super clean Raleigh three speeds listed in the $200-$300 range, but they've been listed for almost a year. I suppose if he dropped the price to $25 or so they may sell but as long as people can buy a Walmart bike for $89.99 nothing will ever sell for any more there.
When i lived in SJ, the area was the worst place I'd ever been when it came to bike riding, there were no bike lanes, no shoulders, no bike parking locations, and a general disdain for bike riders by both drivers and the local PD.
I was threatened with a ticket twice there because my riding a bike at 6am was 'disturbing' someone's dogs and they had gotten multiple complaints. Yet me driving my F350 diesel truck to work instead was no problem.
They put in several bike lanes in one area that started and ended at 'No Bicycle' marked roads. Every one was along four lane highways. They only did it to get state funding or grant money. There were a few 'bike paths' that cut through wooded sections in a few neighboring towns, but you would likely need to carry a side arm to travel there. The trails were long narrow paved paths through dark woods with no lighting at all, and no patrols. They became hang outs and lately tent cities for homeless.
20 years prior Philly was a good area for vintage bikes and riding in general but from what I'm seeing for sale there and what I saw on a few trips to that area a few months ago things have really changed for the worst. I had planned to stop a few older bike shops there but all but two were gone that I used to frequent back in the late 90's or so.
Bikes were also a scarce sight on the streets.

I read all over the place that people can't find good bikes since the pandemic, yet there are hundreds listed all over the place that don't sell. What they're not telling you is that they can't find good vintage bikes for free or dirt cheap.
Even when I lived down there most wouldn't drive more than a couple miles to buy anything, bikes or other items. I listed regular on CL back then and 99 out of a 100 sales came from folks who drove a long distance. Rarely did anything sell locally. They either wanted it for free or close to it, or they wouldn't drive more than a mile or two to get something. I had a guy tell me once who was looking at a minty clean Schwinn Paramount I had listed, he emailed me 20 or more times, then told me he didn't realize I was so 'far' away. He was 10 miles away in the next town. I finally gave up and listed it on fleabay and it went to the west coast for double what i was asking there.
As a buyer there, what I found was that the higher the price, the worse the bike. Some of the best bikes I bought there were $50 or less. Including a pair of minty Legnanos, two Raleigh Tourists, and a dozen or more Nishiki International, and Competition models, and four minty clean Raleigh Internationals. Plus 30 or more clean older Sports models. Most were flea market or yardsale finds.
I had a bunch of neighbors who realized I worked on bikes, most all would ask if I'd 'fix up' their old bikes but none wanted to pay for it. The minute you mentioned $50 or more in parts or tires, it was over, the bike went to the curb.
The answer was always that "I can buy a whole new bike for that much at Walmart" even those riding decent bikes were like that. Bikes in general were looked at as kids toys not adult transportation or a way to get some exercise.
The guy who lived across the street from me had a pair of boys who went off to college while I was there, both had near new Cannondale road bikes, one still had its $900 price tag on the seat rail. The day they left both bikes went to the curb (Into my garage soon after). Another neighbor trashed a then year old Fuji Finest when their son left for school. The bad part was he put the thing out on the curb on Thursday evening before leaving for their winter home, I didn't get home till Sunday and it was still there. That alone says something about the area.

What even amazes me more is that most will pay more for a set of wheels or a hub rather than buy a whole bike for half as much.
I've watched a few S5 hubs go for crazy money, I even had a few offers on a few I've got here yet I see whole bikes for sale for $200 -$300.
The sum of the value of the wheels, maybe a Brooks saddle, and the shifters on an early Sprite far exceed what most are selling the whole bikes for.
I had a guy ask me if I had a complete hub, I said I had 9 of them. He offered me $300 plus shipping. I told him there's a bike 10 miles from him with a hub and shifters and the seller is asking only $250. He told me he didn't want to go through 'all that'. I was down there a few months after that and I emailed the guy with the Sprite and asked what he'd sell it for if I came and got it the next day. He sold it to me for $100 cash.
The bike was so clean I couldn't bear to part it out. The thing even had the original tires on it. He had it listed for $250 and had started out at $400 a year before that.
The bottom line was he had no idea what it was worth, he just wanted it gone and wanted to get the most he could for it. I suppose I was the only one who put cash in his hand so I got the bike.

SirMike1983 06-10-21 08:49 AM

Thanks. Is that chart for the 36 hole wheel or the 32? It looks like 1970s era printing. I'll pull out my calipers and use a Spoke Calc and compare to the chart. I had a notebook with spoke lengths written down at one point, but lost it when I moved back to New England.


Originally Posted by RobHalligan (Post 22091031)
Spoke length chart for most Raleigh rim and hub combos: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AjXH4nd0KT1FsL0X...h1v_Q?e=sxMHjF (link to file in my MS OneDrive...also uploaded)
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6c97344851.jpg



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