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noglider 10-25-11 08:46 PM

That is funny. You attract the unusual of the unusual!

brianinc-ville 10-25-11 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by kingsting (Post 13406170)
Here is another one for my "Why can't I ever find a *normal* Raleigh" file:


Made in Canada.

I'm working on a Canadian Sports at the moment, too (yours is in much better condition, though, and that sticker rules). So far, I'm not finding any differences to the English-made Raleighs of the same period. Have you noticed any?

gna 10-25-11 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by kingsting (Post 13413392)
Not at all. I'm a big fan of my new found friend although it desperately needs a B-72...:rolleyes: It appears to be an all-original, unmolested bike.

I was merely pointing out that when I find a Raleigh it's usually an oddball.



I wanted a rod brake roadster to ride and ended up finding a chrome Boss Bike with balloon tyres.
I tried again and found a Dawn. It ended up being a wartime bike with blackout parts and war grade tyres,
I wanted a plain ladies Raleigh and found a nice Dutch loop-frame Cameo with a lot of extras.
I wanted a Twenty and found a blue one with drum brakes.
I found a ladies Sports in the trash and it was a Malaysian made bike.
I wanted a Chopper and found a 1969 tall frame 3+2 that has all kinds of rare, one year-only parts.
I wanted a Sports in a color other than green, brown, or black and found the grey Canadian one.

I do have a couple of "normal" Superbes and DL-1's but I seem to attract the unusual bikes. I don't really go out of my way to look for them but they find me and I've grown quite fond of the ones I have. I'm actually a Schwinn collector and never found anything other than the more common stuff. (I have a couple unusual color Schwinns but that's it.) Heck, I don't even think we had any Raleigh dealers anywhere near here.

You're a lucky man.

kingsting 10-26-11 04:30 AM


Originally Posted by gna (Post 13413835)
You're a lucky man.


Just a classic case of always finding stuff when you're not looking for it. When I'm looking for Apple Krates and Paramounts, these things show up.

I'll never admit to being a British bike collector because if I do then the well will dry up... ;)

kingsting 10-26-11 04:33 AM


Originally Posted by brianinc-ville (Post 13413827)
I'm working on a Canadian Sports at the moment, too (yours is in much better condition, though, and that sticker rules). So far, I'm not finding any differences to the English-made Raleighs of the same period. Have you noticed any?

What I noticed with this one (so far) compared to Nottingham Sports (That I've seen in the past) was the cable braze ons, Brooks mattress saddle, 1969 style bushing pedals, tiny grips, no lamp bracket, and blackwall Dunlop tires. It also has a full length shifter cable (no pulley) and a cad plated Sturmey Archer front hub with a long axle.

rmisiano 10-26-11 05:14 AM

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I just picked up my first 1970 sport, always wanted since i was a kid, found it in my neighbors basement.it looked http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=224544http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=224545http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=224546http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=224547http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=224548new and rides like new 100.00.

Velognome 10-26-11 05:27 AM

Congratulations a really nice clean example!

rmisiano 10-26-11 05:38 AM

I will post better pictures later.

rmisiano 10-26-11 05:49 AM

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More pictures ,i have many bikes but love my sport.http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=224550http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=224551http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=224552http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=224553

ScottRyder 10-26-11 06:40 AM

I posted some photos of my co-workers chrome 1965 Raleigh Sport over in the appraisals section but I thought it would be nice to show it off here as well.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...ssy/file-1.jpg

Scott

Super.bee 10-26-11 08:34 AM

Beautiful chrome! Is that one of those hybrid gearing conversion kits?

I spotted a pair of DL-1s on CL, but I can't get a response from the seller. This is the second time posted, the first time was perhaps a month ago, same thing, I emailed and no response. Anyone ever had something like this happen? Any hints?

If I can't get through due to spam filter or something, maybe I can at least play matchmaker in case folks here may not have seen this. Here's the listing: http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/2662601668.html

Good luck folks!

Sixty Fiver 10-26-11 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by Scottryder (Post 13414592)
I posted some photos of my co-workers chrome 1965 Raleigh Sport over in the appraisals section but I thought it would be nice to show it off here as well.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...ssy/file-1.jpg

Scott

Damn.

ScottRyder 10-26-11 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by Super.bee (Post 13414980)
Beautiful chrome! Is that one of those hybrid gearing conversion kits?

I don't actually know .. I'll find out.

Scott

ScottRyder 10-26-11 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 13415356)
Damn.

Sixty Fiver, you should see it in person .. it's like wall art.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...ssy/file-9.jpg

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...ssy/file-4.jpg

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...ssy/file-6.jpg

Scott

Super.bee 10-26-11 11:53 AM

Nice Saddle
 
I like that saddle on that bike. Does anyone know if those came with leather saddles or just always white vinyl? I found one with the latter in a scrap bin and am having a hard time with the thought of changing out the original, superior (and sympathetic) though a B72 may be.

rhm 10-26-11 12:27 PM

Raleigh Sports and Superbe came with leather seats and Raleigh pattern rims; cheaper ones, including all the non-Raleigh badged ones, did not. If a bike has plain Dunlop Endrick rims, it probably came with a mattress saddle.

No doubt someone will point out exceptions to the rule. They exist. I can think of at least one myself. But I'm not changing what I said.

Super.bee 10-26-11 02:04 PM

Westrick
 
... and I see this bike has westrick rims. OK, thanks!

What about the difference between S22, DL22 and DL24... something about Sports, Deluxe, Superbe that I read about on a thread from nlerner or cudak888? Were all Sports offered in all three options, and what changed between them?

I read something there too about high-volume dealers having access to the chrome ones. (By the way, is this an OK thread for questions of history and provenance? Or more just appreciation?)

The one I speak of is in too sad a shape to post pics at the moment especially so soon after these nice shots. The chrome is badly pitted and will be evermore. But it's still better as a bike than an ingot...

Velognome 10-26-11 03:32 PM

It does look like a Cyclo Conversion...more drooling

kingsting 10-26-11 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by Scottryder (Post 13414592)
I posted some photos of my co-workers chrome 1965 Raleigh Sport over in the appraisals section but I thought it would be nice to show it off here as well.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...ssy/file-1.jpg

Scott

:love::love::love:

So, does anybody know the story behind the all-chrome "Boss Bikes"? Dealer promos? Special order? Contest giveaways? Reward for top selling dealers? I've heard several different stories about them.

ScottRyder 10-26-11 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by Velognome (Post 13417023)
It does look like a Cyclo Conversion...more drooling

I'm out of my league here, however the shifter lever says "Cyclo" on it. My co-worker is the original owner and bought it at a shop in CT. He had the conversion done at purchase....

I'm surprised I haven't had more of a response to my inquiry on the appraisal thread, anybody want to chime in over there?

Scott

cazoo 10-27-11 02:13 PM

Hello,

Would anyone know where I can find a set of nuts and bolts that attaches the rear fender and rear rack to the frame? It's goes right behind the rear dropout. This is for an old 72' Raleigh Sports.

Thanks.

Sixty Fiver 10-27-11 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by cazoo (Post 13420894)
Hello,

Would anyone know where I can find a set of nuts and bolts that attaches the rear fender and rear rack to the frame? It's goes right behind the rear dropout. This is for an old 72' Raleigh Sports.

Thanks.

Hardware store ?

Stainless would be the nicest way to go and nuts and bolts keep the original look... using a lock nut will ensure that they stay secure no matter how rough the roads get.

Sixty Fiver 10-27-11 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by Scottryder (Post 13417801)
I'm out of my league here, however the shifter lever says "Cyclo" on it. My co-worker is the original owner and bought it at a shop in CT. He had the conversion done at purchase....

I'm surprised I haven't had more of a response to my inquiry on the appraisal thread, anybody want to chime in over there?

Scott

It is a post production Cyclo kit... Raleigh never offered this as a stock option and the Cyclo kits were sold for many decades and offered a 2 and 3 speed cog to double or triple the gearing.

A fully chromed Sports is far from ordinary and believe it could easily fetch $400.00 plus if it was in good condition.

Sixty Fiver 10-27-11 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by Velognome (Post 13417023)
It does look like a Cyclo Conversion...more drooling

Looks like it is running an Alvit rear derailleur which is one old derailleur that can handle 1/8 chain quite nicely due to it's abundant clearances and non toothed pulley and guide cogs.

Super.bee 10-28-11 12:18 PM

Wow, non-toothed cogs? Was this common on the old 3-speed rear derailleurs? Did it function well?

BRAZUCA 10-28-11 12:25 PM

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Can you help me identify this Raleigh? A friend of mine is thinking about selling it and as you know, I'm looking to buy a 3-speed. Never saw this color though, is this a "Sport"? He believes it is a '69 / '70 model year.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=224844

rhm 10-28-11 12:32 PM

The model name should be on the chain guard, so a photo from the other side would confirm it.

Sixty Fiver 10-28-11 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by Super.bee (Post 13424670)
Wow, non-toothed cogs? Was this common on the old 3-speed rear derailleurs? Did it function well?

These were quite common on pre 1970's derailleurs... Huret did not move to toothed pulley wheels until 1974.

This is the 1958 Huret Alvit - sold by the thousands and thousands and the first successful mass market parallelogram derailleur.

http://www.disraeligears.co.uk/Site/...6-filtered.jpg

Huret Svelto - An economy model that works well over a narrow range cog.

http://www.disraeligears.co.uk/Site/...6-filtered.jpg

Huret Jubilee... considered a grail item as it is one of the lightest derailleurs ever made with a toothed guide pulley.

http://www.disraeligears.co.uk/Site/...9-filtered.jpg

There are many other examples of non toothed pulleys... this horrible little thing was made by Campagnolo and only has one jockey wheel.

http://www.disraeligears.co.uk/Site/...0-filtered.jpg


Images courtesy of disraeli gears: http://www.disraeligears.co.uk - this is a brilliant resource if you seek info on derailleurs.


The Cyclo Benelux Mark 7 that came with their 2 and three speed conversion kits... it was an older pull chain model that use a helical spring to provide lateral movement and had a toothed guide pulley and a nearly round tension pulley.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3205/...d53fd60a0b.jpg

Super.bee 10-28-11 03:27 PM

Very cool & thanks for the link! Fun to see the pull chain on the last one, that looks so much like a SA indicator chain!

I remember seeing derailleur 3-speeds in France and I wonder now if they had round pulleys. But that is maybe a topic for the French 3-speeds page!

JohnDThompson 10-28-11 07:58 PM


Originally Posted by Super.bee (Post 13424670)
Wow, non-toothed cogs? Was this common on the old 3-speed rear derailleurs? Did it function well?

It was common on many derailleurs. My early 1950s Campagnolo Gran Sport derailleur has non-toothed steel pulleys (with ball bearings!), and Huret derailleurs often had at least one non-toothed pulley even into the early 1980s.

http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/gransportder.jpg


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