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gster 12-27-21 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 22352805)
They're very odd drops...this pic shows it best, there's a cutout area that could cause one to think there's damage.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...31afdf3dc1.jpg

Do you live in an old schoolhouse?
Although interesting, I never liked the look of the Moultons

cudak888 12-27-21 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 22352805)
They're very odd drops...this pic shows it best, there's a cutout area that could cause one to think there's damage.

I know the MkII's are shaped similar to some of the L-shaped drops on old balloon tire bikes, but the dropout on the rough bike still looks a bit off in the picture. Enough to make me skeptical.

FYI, the new Lime Gen 4 (SoBi 6.0) rental bike has a rear-facing end that's similar in concept, just reversed. Has a tensioner too.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...30425a94dd.png


-Kurt

clubman 12-27-21 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 22352984)
Do you live in an old schoolhouse?
Although interesting, I never liked the look of the Moultons

Not my bike but it's an old community centre in Halifax, about to be torn down for condos. Blech


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 22353091)
I know the MkII's are shaped similar to some of the L-shaped drops on old balloon tire bikes, but the dropout on the rough bike still looks a bit off in the picture. Enough to make me skeptical.

FYI, the new Lime Gen 4 (SoBi 6.0) rental bike has a rear-facing end that's similar in concept, just reversed. Has a tensioner too.

-Kurt

I agree, close up pics of everything would be needed just to entertain the notion of buying that mess.

Also, track ends or rear facing drops with tensioners are definitely the best retention system. I suspect through axles are just fine as well, I just don't have any.

clubman 12-27-21 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 22352984)
I never liked the look of the Moultons

I always thought they were dorky as well. But when I got the chance to ride one, I was sold. The low centre of gravity, hauling capacity and subtle suspension, coupled with performance rims/tires and alloy components make the bike indescribably sweet to ride.
Carey from Urbane Cycle rebuilt mine.

'64 4 Speed.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...11a7fb6b1e.jpg

Ballenxj 12-27-21 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by vintagebicycle (Post 22352574)
Is anyone else thinking about how hot that bike is getting hanging on the front of the boiler like that? I can just picture all the grease dripping out of the bb and hubs as it hangs there.
I'm no steam expert but I was told while visiting a steam locomotive shop that the area around the smoke box can be in excess of 650F, and the fire box can be over 2,700K under way.
That bike is hanging on the outside of what is likely the actual smoke box for that engine, I would think that even though air flow when moving forward would cool the bike, heat conduction would certainly cook that bike thoroughly regardless of surface cooling. .

That probably wasn't the best place to hang the bicycle. :(

capnjonny 12-27-21 06:59 PM

I took the Raleigh Space Rider in to the Bike Exchange this morning to get tires for it and try to fix the problem with the shift chain. It turned out there was no problem with the hub. This bike had a plastic cap over the part that screws into the axle that the pull chain goes through. Something about the plastic cap was binding everything up. I dug around in the Raleigh parts box, found a new pull chain and another screw in thingy without the cap and voila - everything worked like a charm. I installed the tires and chain, adjusted everything, swapped the 18 tooth cog for a 20 tooth, and it's done. I spent a lot of time rubbing out the paint, de rusting the wheels , and generally spiffing it up with a new clear coat to bring up the paint color. There are still some flaws but it looks good enough that some kid is going to love it . Here is a before and after shot plus another alongside a 26" wheel Dunelt for comparison. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...432fcef797.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...89fc2fe552.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...102437df70.jpg

thumpism 12-27-21 09:19 PM

Nice 23" Rudge with two shifters and a rear derailleur. Benelux conversion? $100 in NY.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...64657475173566

https://scontent.fric1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...Yw&oe=61D058DA

gster 12-28-21 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 22353442)
Nice 23" Rudge with two shifters and a rear derailleur. Benelux conversion? $100 in NY.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...64657475173566

https://scontent.fric1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...Yw&oe=61D058DA

I'd snap that one up lickity spllitly....

gster 12-28-21 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by capnjonny (Post 22353305)
I took the Raleigh Space Rider in to the Bike Exchange this morning to get tires for it and try to fix the problem with the shift chain. It turned out there was no problem with the hub. This bike had a plastic cap over the part that screws into the axle that the pull chain goes through. Something about the plastic cap was binding everything up. I dug around in the Raleigh parts box, found a new pull chain and another screw in thingy without the cap and voila - everything worked like a charm. I installed the tires and chain, adjusted everything, swapped the 18 tooth cog for a 20 tooth, and it's done. I spent a lot of time rubbing out the paint, de rusting the wheels , and generally spiffing it up with a new clear coat to bring up the paint color. There are still some flaws but it looks good enough that some kid is going to love it . Here is a before and after shot plus another alongside a 26" wheel Dunelt for comparison. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...432fcef797.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...89fc2fe552.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...102437df70.jpg

Nice work.

gster 12-29-21 10:36 AM

Vintage Bikes in Mexico
A selection as offered on Facebook Marketplace
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8e6105f996.png
A '52 Sports
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...31d0f4b9a2.png
A Hercules..
Not sure if these are made in India or not
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f10c54eeeb.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...457db95260.jpg
A Phillips
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...734b9bc9c8.jpg
Another Phillips
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...957ad0432e.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...64d3e43bff.jpg
Another Raleigh
None of these are really close by, otherwise I would consider getting one.

gster 12-29-21 10:46 AM

One More..
Listed as a 1932 Hercules
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...002febc726.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...891e21d9e4.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5add5b067d.jpg
The original invoice...
Listed at $5,500 pesos/ $270.00 US
It's too far away.........

thumpism 12-29-21 08:39 PM

Never seen one of these Puchs before. Cute.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...27364291228661

https://scontent.fric1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...Pw&oe=61D13056

thumpism 12-30-21 07:01 AM

Another unusual Puch with Sturmey, $40 in NJ. Also cute.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...15703932090112

https://scontent.fric1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...kg&oe=61D236E2

gster 12-30-21 09:47 AM

Still Out There
Raleigh built Glider @ $95.00 CDN
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...dca6dabc8e.jpg
A tall frame 5 speed that could easily be converted to a 3 speed.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8288755cab.jpg
Looks to be in good shape
I like the flying wing chainguard

mitchito 12-31-21 07:37 PM

Where in Mexico are those bikes? I usually winter in San Miguel de Allende

gster 01-01-22 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by mitchito (Post 22357595)
Where in Mexico are those bikes? I usually winter in San Miguel de Allende

I'm in Sayulita, so they're in Nararit and Jalisco.
Look on Facebook Marketplace.

gster 01-02-22 09:45 AM

Bloor Cycle in Toronto circa 1959
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...94a49271aa.jpg

cudak888 01-02-22 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 22358935)
Bloor Cycle in Toronto circa 1959

^ @Ged117 - Do you happen to recall if the original owner of the '50 Superbe mentioned the name of the shop that sold it?

-Kurt

Ged117 01-02-22 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 22358935)

My uncle bought his 1990 Schwinn Voyageur (now mine) at this shop. The bike wears the Bloor Cycle shop sticker proudly. Bloor Cycle closed some years ago.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3740304689.jpg



Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 22358941)
^ @Ged117 - Do you happen to recall if the original owner of the '50 Superbe mentioned the name of the shop that sold it?

-Kurt

Hi Kurt. I do not. The seller was only a small boy when his father bought the bike in the early '50s in the Toronto area. He remembers his father riding it, replacing the front wheel in the '70s, and the bike ending up in the barn around 1980 or so where it waited patiently in obscurity for 37 years until I came along and reactivated it in 2017. After that, it was pleasant rides in the warm glow of the Ontario spring and summer to be followed by a restoring cleanse and preservation among comrades in sunny Florida.

cudak888 01-02-22 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 22359034)
Hi Kurt. I do not. The seller was only a small boy when his father bought the bike in the early '50s in the Toronto area. He remembers his father riding it, replacing the front wheel in the '70s, and the bike ending up in the barn around 1980 or so where it waited patiently in obscurity for 37 years until I came along and reactivated it in 2017. After that, it was pleasant rides in the warm glow of the Ontario spring and summer to be followed by a restoring cleanse and preservation among comrades in sunny Florida.

:D

-Kurt

barnfind 01-02-22 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by capnjonny (Post 22353305)
I took the Raleigh Space Rider in to the Bike Exchange this morning to get tires for it and try to fix the problem with the shift chain. It turned out there was no problem with the hub. This bike had a plastic cap over the part that screws into the axle that the pull chain goes through. Something about the plastic cap was binding everything up. I dug around in the Raleigh parts box, found a new pull chain and another screw in thingy without the cap and voila - everything worked like a charm. I installed the tires and chain, adjusted everything, swapped the 18 tooth cog for a 20 tooth, and it's done. I spent a lot of time rubbing out the paint, de rusting the wheels , and generally spiffing it up with a new clear coat to bring up the paint color. There are still some flaws but it looks good enough that some kid is going to love it . Here is a before and after shot plus another alongside a 26" wheel Dunelt for comparison.
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https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...89fc2fe552.jpg
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I had one of those a number of years ago, it was way too small for me so it got sold back when I was doing a ton of ebay sales. I think it went for something like $250 or so back then.
It was complete except for the rear fender. I've only run across a couple or three of those over the years, even back when they were still being sold. I guess shops just didn't get many requests for them here. Not only did I consider it a rare find around these parts, it was a Raleigh in a bright color, something that I just don't see very often here. I also had a yellow space rider in a ladies model and a black boys model that was pretty rough and missing its rear wheel, fenders, chain guard, and original handle bars, Someone had stuck a banana seat and high rise bars on it, and a cheap 5 speed rear wheel with an old Huret derailleur, likely from a Murray or Huffy of that era. I stripped off the wrong parts and sold what was still there as a package to a local collector who I believe did finally put it back together.
I got more for the parts I removed from it than I did for the whole bike.

Judging by the long wheel reflectors, this one was likely a later model.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1be8c1d6f6.jpg

2fat2fly 01-05-22 06:50 PM

I picked up a his/her's pair of 1968 Raleigh Sports bikes over the weekend.
I was after the men's bike because of the 23" frame size Both bikes were pretty clean, and had been listed on CL here for a long time.
I got the pair for $160. The ladies model is cleaner than the men's bike, but both need tires, and I spent this morning going over all the bearings and rear hubs on both bikes. Both needed nothing more than just a clean and re-lube.
Both bikes have hubs dated 5-68.
I was shocked when I went to pickup a set of tires for these. The LBS wanted $72/pr for cheap gum wall tires and told me that if he ordered them today, I'd be lucky to have them by the time the weather warmed up. Another dealer told me he'd have to charge me $30 shipping on top of the tire cost because that size is a special order,
There's no way I'm paying that kind of money for bike tires.
I went home, dug through my used tires and came up with one decent used set of older tires and put those on the men's bike.
That leaves a rather clean ladies model that needs a set of tires worth more than the bike itself is I guess.
It seems the cost of tires is going to doom the bike to the used parts bin. I'm simply not spending $60 for a pair of tires (online), for a bike that likely wont bring more than $50 on CL here. I'm better off just stripping it and hanging the spare wheelset on the wall just in case I need them one day. The same with the rest of the bike. I also am not a fan of those super narrow looking Kenda tires on Raleigh rims, they look more like 1 1/4" to me.
A few shops over in Philly have tires for $22 each, but by the time I add in a half tank of gas and tolls, they're gonna cost me even more.
The best deal I see so far is $45 for two CST tires on fleabay, but even that is too much to put into a bike that likely won't sell for much more.
The pair I bought were up there for $200 for over a year with no takers. I had been back and forth with the seller for a few months trying to get them for less. Both were likely ridable with just tires as found but I figured after 50 or so years hanging in a garage the grease and oil was likely pretty dried up.
The men's bike was in more dire need of fresh lube than the ladies bike was. Considering that the ladies bike had newer tires on it, it was likely done when ever the tires were done. The men,s bike had original block tread Raleigh Record tires. The rear was pretty near bald though. The tires on the ladies bike were cracked to the point the tubes were showing.

I had been watching a dozen or more decent looking old bikes lately on CL here and none ever sell here. CL is full of the same bikes that just sit for sale for months on end. So the chances of selling the ladies model is slim to none, with or without new tires unless I give it away.
I just can't see letting a perfect set of wheels and all that good chrome go for how cheap I'd likely have to list it to get it to sell here.

thumpism 01-05-22 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by 2fat2fly (Post 22363169)
I picked up a his/her's pair of 1968 Raleigh Sports bikes over the weekend.
I was after the men's bike because of the 23" frame size Both bikes were pretty clean, and had been listed on CL here for a long time.
I got the pair for $160. The ladies model is cleaner than the men's bike, but both need tires, and I spent this morning going over all the bearings and rear hubs on both bikes. Both needed nothing more than just a clean and re-lube.

What size is the ladies' frame? If it's a 23" you might find a buyer for it on here. I got one for myself for that future day when I can no longer swing a leg over a men's frame.

Sorry about your tire problems. I have not bought new tires in a long time and have been successful in the co-op's dumpster finding tires to fit a Sports, including some nice and only-slightly-worn Continentals.

Good luck!

rustymetal 01-06-22 12:08 AM

I keep hearing about 'Bike Co-Ops' in some areas? There's nothing of the sort in my area here.
However, when I was a kid, (long time ago), we had a bicycle, lawnmower, and motorcycle junk yard about a 1/2 mile from where we lived.
Guys would go into that place and come home with all sorts of projects. I built up an early Packard bicycle from three derelict bikes from that place, I think I spent $12, and that included two near new tires.
Plus countless minibikes, go carts, etc.
It closed down sometime in the 70's when the old guy passed away, it took them 8 years to clean it all up. Now there's a worthless strip mall there.
I had already moved away from the area by the time they closed it down, but from what I heard they went in there with bull dozers and just loaded it all up in dump trailers and hauled it away for scrap. The place has piles of bikes frames, wheels, etc. Some in buildings some outside in huge piles. I remember as a kid having to scrape together the $3 they charged for a used wheel, or $8 for a matching pair with or without tires.

I'm about 30 minutes from Philly, used bikes of any type are a tough sell here unless you give them away for pocket change. Most folks want Huffy and Murray, not Raleigh and other better brands. Most aren't old enough to remember three speeds. I see ads listing bikes from the 2000's as 'Antique' or 'Vintage' all the time. I've lived in various parts of the country over the past 45 years, and this is by far the worst area I've ever seen for bikes in general. The bike shops are few and far between, with most of them going away more than 20 years ago now.

I walked into one shop here when I first moved back here looking for a pair of 27" tires, the guy tells me he never heard of any bike that used 27" tires. I shook my head and just turned around and walked out. I walked into another shop, the guy tells me they don't stock tires, "Too many different sizes". He says he can order me anything I want. He walks over to a computer on the counter, turns the screen towards me and shows me a pair of 27" CST tires on ebay for $44 'free shipping'.. He says if I want those he can can order them for me for $88 plus tax. He then says I need to make up my mind fast because the auction ends in 12 minutes. It wasn't his item, he was going to buy them on ebay, then double the price. I asked him why on earth would I pay him $88 for a pair of tires I can buy myself on eBay for half that amount. He then tells me
"How the #&^% am I supposed to stay in business if I sell things for what i pay for them?", "If your going to just buy them online, why did you come in here and bother me?".
I told the idiot that any normal human being would think that a BICYCLE shop might just have a tires in stock to sell. I guess I was wrong. I later found out that the guy I was dealing with was the owner.
They had plenty of cheap accessories though, bike racks, saddle bags, helmets, etc. But no real parts.

I was visiting some family years ago who lived a bit off the beaten path. They had an old bike there that had a tacoed front wheel. Figuring I'd do them a favor and fix the thing, I asked where the local bike shop was. It was an old farm house with a bike shop in the basement. I pull in, the sign is pointing to a pair of outside basement steps. I go down the steps, knock on the door and walk in. The place was packed with old bikes and parts. I ask the guy if he's got spokes, he said sure, what size, I tell him I'd like 32 284mm spokes, the guy looks at me like I'm speaking greek, then gets out a spoke ruler and a square to convert 284 to Inches. He then asked me if I want new or used spokes. He wasn't sure if he had that many new one's. I then asked if he had any whole wheels, but no such luck. .. I think I ended up with 6 new spokes and a handful of used spokes but it was better than nothing. I went back, took the wheel apart, stomped the rim back into shape and re-laced the wheel. i mixed and matched the new and used spokes with some original spokes that I straightened out,
I had meant to go back to that old shop one day to see what all he had there but by the time I did it was gone, the whole place was gone, torn down to make way from some fancy new housing development.

2fat2fly 01-06-22 02:35 AM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 22363200)
What size is the ladies' frame? If it's a 23" you might find a buyer for it on here. I got one for myself for that future day when I can no longer swing a leg over a men's frame.

Sorry about your tire problems. I have not bought new tires in a long time and have been successful in the co-op's dumpster finding tires to fit a Sports, including some nice and only-slightly-worn Continentals.

Good luck!

The ladies bike is a 21".
I gave some thought to the very same thing but at 6ft 2in tall and over 330lbs, I feel much better on a man's frame.
For now I guess I'll pic the best two tires out of the four, its just a shame to go through a whole bike, cleaning, polishing, relubing, and adjusting just to put it back together with old cracked tires.
While they likely are fine to ride, I'd have preferred to put something wider on those rims. They both had what looks to be a older version of the current Kenda K40 tires. They look lost on the wider Raleigh pattern rims. Even fully inflated they look soft under my weight.
I put a pair of Michelin tires on my one bike and those are great but at $40/pr plus shipping, its not an option on a bike I'm not likely going to keep.
I still have to clean and polish the brake calipers and bars, and find it some original grips. (The former owner had stuck foam grips on it).

To me, the wheels are worth more than the whole bike. I was going to keep it around for a lady friend to use but she tells me she hates the color and doesn't want to ride an 'old lady bike'.
It would just hang in the shed and get forgotten. Surprisingly though the 21" frame sits pretty tall, but its a different riding position from the men's model.
With the seat post about 3" out of the tube, it fits me perfect.
One thought was to outfit it with a pair of saddle baskets in the rear and a butterfly stand but adding more weight won't do it any favors if I was the rider.
( I bent a Sprite 27 ladies frame a number of years ago, after a ride down a rough railroad bed I noticed the pedals seemed closer to the ground than usual. The seat post had bowed rearward where the top tube attached).

When it comes to tires, the bottom line is that they're price gouging these days. There's no way a bicycle tire should cost as much as a speed rated car tire.
Just two years ago bike tires were $12 each, now they want $40 for the same tire.
I'm surprised that no one has come out with an extra wide tire for these bikes like they have for the middleweight bikes.
The K40 tires are no wider than a 27x1 1/4" road bike tire, the 1 3/8" size is just a suggestion I guess.
I have a pair of Michelin 35-590 tires on my one bike and those are much wider than the 37-590 K40 style tires I have here.

What I really don't get is why these tires are getting harder to find, its not as though they didn't make a few million bikes that used this size tire over the years, and a quick FB or CL search will turn up dozens of them still for sale. I see quite a few 26x1 3/8" and 27x1 1/4" bikes in use and for sale yet so they're far from dead.
Even if you don't count the millions of English bikes that used 26x1 3/8" wheels, you have the many Columbia, Huffy, Ross, Rollfast, and other American brand bikes that used this size well into the 90's.
Yet finding new rims in this size is about impossible.
I really can't believe no one ever reproduced the Raleigh pattern rims for these bikes, there simply has to still be a demand for them. I'd also venture to guess that they're still in production somewhere in the world yet today.


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