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Elddir_Mot 05-03-23 04:26 PM

Hey all, I was wondering if there's a specific year where the quality of builds starts dropping?

I'm looking at two Raleigh Sports, one '71 and one '67 (identified from decals - thanks to The Headbadge page on Raleigh Sports DL-22: Visual ID/Decal Identification, I'd link if I could! ) and was wondering if, all else being equal, the '67 would be a better bike. Neither seller has the serial number listed so I don't know which location the bikes came out of.

Thanks in advance, I'm very much a novice who happened to fall down the Raleigh rabbit hole :lol:

Elddir_Mot 05-03-23 04:30 PM

Also, I was thinking of posting the info/ pics (once I hit 10 posts) to get people's opinions on which is the better option; would something like that go in the Classic and Vintage Bicycles: Whats it Worth? Appraisals ?

nlerner 05-03-23 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by Elddir_Mot (Post 22879086)
Hey all, I was wondering if there's a specific year where the quality of builds starts dropping?

I'm looking at two Raleigh Sports, one '71 and one '67 (identified from decals - thanks to The Headbadge page on Raleigh Sports DL-22: Visual ID/Decal Identification, I'd link if I could! ) and was wondering if, all else being equal, the '67 would be a better bike. Neither seller has the serial number listed so I don't know which location the bikes came out of.

Thanks in advance, I'm very much a novice who happened to fall down the Raleigh rabbit hole :lol:

I donít think youíll see much difference between those model years. More distinct differences are a decade or more apart, e.g., some say the quality of chrome really fell off after the 1950s.

cudak888 05-03-23 08:48 PM

Any chance someone might have one of these early, serrated Sturmey-Archer washers that they can spare?

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...79047afc76.jpg


-Kurt

1989Pre 05-04-23 04:31 AM


Originally Posted by Elddir_Mot (Post 22879091)
Also, I was thinking of posting the info/ pics (once I hit 10 posts) to get people's opinions on which is the better option; would something like that go in the Classic and Vintage Bicycles: Whats it Worth? Appraisals ?

Hello and welcome to 3-speed land! I am no expert, but the way I understand it is that Raleigh never did lower their design or production standards. Depending on condition, either of these two bikes would be just as good, and give a comparable ride. Myself, I usually go for the older bikes if I can, but that is just my taste. Yours may differ. In regard to your second question, I would post photos here, at this sub-forum, rather than at Appraisals, because you may be looking for specific information to get the bike on the road and optimize its function. These are great bikes. Where will you be riding?

thumpism 05-04-23 09:33 AM

Twenty for ninety in NY. I'd buy it.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...57641332712588

https://scontent.fric1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...TQ&oe=6459521D

SirMike1983 05-04-23 02:24 PM

Looking for the complete headset (crown race, both frame cups, and the wide top race nut - don't need bearing balls or lamp bracket or lock nut) for a post-war Raleigh Sports/Superbe/Lenton. I rebuilt a 1953 Lenton hoping there was enough life left in the headset, but am finding the steering wants to lock straight-on. I figure I should just replace the whole headset at this point rather than fool around. Let me know if you want to sell or trade for other parts I might have. Thanks.

Elddir_Mot 05-04-23 05:25 PM

Thanks 1989Pre & nlerner ! Pre, Iíll mostly be riding on local streets for short errands (Iím in Watertown, about 20 min outside Boston) and casual rides by the river with my 5yrold who just got her first bike! The classic puttering about town basically.

Here are the two bikes Iím debating between:

Option 1:

$50, 1968 (from what I can tell by the decals/hub)
Frame looks to be in good condition (though pic quality is iffy so who knows). The description is literally just ďRaleigh 3 speed bikeĒ. Thatís it. Seller doesnít have much info other than it was his auntís old bike and she kept it clean. He doesnít know frame size, but either the 21Ē or 19.5Ē would work for me (5í5Ē with a 30Ē inseam). Seat looks like itís not original, maybe?



I wish I could post pics, but maybe this is enough info for someone with pic privileges to find it: Itís on FB marketplace, under:

Antique Raleigh 3 speed bike

$50 / Category: Hobbies / Listed 6 weeks ago in Mattapoisett, MA

If you go to Facebook dot com and add /marketplace/item/248278167554540/ the listing should come up.







Option 2:

Craigslist, $150, 1971. Way more description:

For sale: A Raleigh Step-Through bicycle manufactured in England in January 1971 complete with the leather Brooks seat upgrade. Fully reconditioned and ready for a summer of riding fun. Bike has been thoroughly cleaned and serviced. It has new tubes, tires, brake pads and period correct air pump. The three speed hub is working well and the bike is ready for your next adventure.



Listed in Boston Craigslist under

Vintage 1971 Raleigh Sports Step Through 3 Speed bicycle - $150(Cumberland)



Obviously 3x the price of the 1968 but itís ready to ride, and between the new tubes/tires/brake pads probably come close to making up the $100 difference.





Öso yeah, Iím pretty torn. Theyíre both bronze green too, so I canít even be shallow and decide solely on paint color lol. If it were up to yíall, what option would you go with?

JohnDThompson 05-04-23 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 22880038)
Looking for the complete headset (crown race, both frame cups, and the wide top race nut - don't need bearing balls or lamp bracket or lock nut) for a post-war Raleigh Sports/Superbe/Lenton. I rebuilt a 1953 Lenton hoping there was enough life left in the headset, but am finding the steering wants to lock straight-on. I figure I should just replace the whole headset at this point rather than fool around. Let me know if you want to sell or trade for other parts I might have. Thanks.

Is this for a 26tpi steer tube?

SirMike1983 05-04-23 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by JohnDThompson (Post 22880271)
Is this for a 26tpi steer tube?

Yes - 26tpi Raleigh.

arex 05-04-23 08:16 PM

In case anyone's interested. I might give this a shot.

https://tandyleather.com/collections...e-tool-bag-kit


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1989Pre 05-05-23 04:56 AM


Originally Posted by arex (Post 22880447)
In case anyone's interested. I might give this a shot.

https://tandyleather.com/collections...e-tool-bag-kit


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That's a nice project! Just bring some elastics, because those one-strap bags can lose items on a ride.

1989Pre 05-05-23 05:03 AM

Elddir_mot: I am not a Facebook member, so I can't see the first bike. You have seven posts. You need three more before you can post photos, so I hope to see both bikes soon. Are you planning to ride from Watertown to Newton to Brookline to get to Boston? That is an excellent ride. The ride into Cambridge to get to Boston is more exciting but a little more crowded.

Elddir_Mot 05-05-23 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by 1989Pre (Post 22880635)
Elddir_mot: I am not a Facebook member, so I can't see the first bike. You have seven posts. You need three more before you can post photos, so I hope to see both bikes soon. Are you planning to ride from Watertown to Newton to Brookline to get to Boston? That is an excellent ride. The ride into Cambridge to get to Boston is more exciting but a little more crowded.

and this makes eight, so definitely pics coming soon!
I actually donít go into the city proper much, but I do go to Newton and Cambridge often so good to hear those are options. Iíll admit Iím a little intimidated about riding around here ó last time I spent much time on a bike was in semi-rural GA, so all dirt paths or one lane roads. Very different vibe haha

nlerner 05-05-23 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by Elddir_Mot (Post 22880759)
and this makes eight, so definitely pics coming soon!
I actually don’t go into the city proper much, but I do go to Newton and Cambridge often so good to hear those are options. I’ll admit I’m a little intimidated about riding around here — last time I spent much time on a bike was in semi-rural GA, so all dirt paths or one lane roads. Very different vibe haha

If you don't already know it, the Blue Heron Trail, which runs along the Charles from Boston to Waltham, is always lovely and away from cars: Idyllic Trail Through the Charles River Reservation

SirMike1983 05-05-23 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by Elddir_Mot (Post 22880266)
Thanks 1989Pre & nlerner ! Pre, I’ll mostly be riding on local streets for short errands (I’m in Watertown, about 20 min outside Boston) and casual rides by the river with my 5yrold who just got her first bike! The classic puttering about town basically.

Here are the two bikes I’m debating between:

Option 1:

$50, 1968 (from what I can tell by the decals/hub)
Frame looks to be in good condition (though pic quality is iffy so who knows). The description is literally just “Raleigh 3 speed bike”. That’s it. Seller doesn’t have much info other than it was his aunt’s old bike and she kept it clean. He doesn’t know frame size, but either the 21” or 19.5” would work for me (5’5” with a 30” inseam). Seat looks like it’s not original, maybe?



I wish I could post pics, but maybe this is enough info for someone with pic privileges to find it: It’s on FB marketplace, under:

Antique Raleigh 3 speed bike

$50 / Category: Hobbies / Listed 6 weeks ago in Mattapoisett, MA

If you go to Facebook dot com and add /marketplace/item/248278167554540/ the listing should come up.







Option 2:

Craigslist, $150, 1971. Way more description:

For sale: A Raleigh Step-Through bicycle manufactured in England in January 1971 complete with the leather Brooks seat upgrade. Fully reconditioned and ready for a summer of riding fun. Bike has been thoroughly cleaned and serviced. It has new tubes, tires, brake pads and period correct air pump. The three speed hub is working well and the bike is ready for your next adventure.



Listed in Boston Craigslist under

Vintage 1971 Raleigh Sports Step Through 3 Speed bicycle - $150(Cumberland)



Obviously 3x the price of the 1968 but it’s ready to ride, and between the new tubes/tires/brake pads probably come close to making up the $100 difference.





…so yeah, I’m pretty torn. They’re both bronze green too, so I can’t even be shallow and decide solely on paint color lol. If it were up to y’all, what option would you go with?


I looked at the links. The Facebook bike is incomplete and missing several important parts (fenders missing, wrong saddle, etc.) from the look of it. One of the rims doesn't look correct on it, but it could just be the photo. I would not even bother with going to look at it. You're looking at way more than $100 worth of parts and labor to bring that up to par.

The Craigslist bike is much more complete and much nicer. If the Craigslist bike fits you and you like it, it's a fair price at $150 for a complete and ready-to-ride bike. It's not a screaming bargain, but it's fair in my book if it is 'buy and ride' shape.

Elddir_Mot 05-05-23 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 22880770)
If you don't already know it, the Blue Heron Trail, which runs along the Charles from Boston to Waltham is always lovely and away from cars: Idyllic Trail Through the Charles River Reservation

Iím about a 10 minute walk from that trail, but I had no idea it stretched so far! Didnít know the proper name for it either (my daughter calls it the mulberry walk because in late summer all the mulberry trees have fruit hanging low enough that she just walks along snacking the whole time haha). Will definitely explore the Watertown through Waltham+ portion, thanks for pointing it out :)

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SirMike1983 Thank you! Seriously, how did I miss that it didnít have fenders?!? Talk about missing the forest for the trees. Yeah, the $150 CL bike isnít the steal of the century but itís very much in my budget and, like you said, fair. Really appreciate the advice!

Ged117 05-05-23 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 22879294)
Any chance someone might have one of these early, serrated Sturmey-Archer washers that they can spare?

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...79047afc76.jpg


-Kurt

I see that I provided at least one in the Superbe Kit! I may have the other one in a drawer somewhere - the catch is this: they don't prevent rotation, not nearly as well as the later anti-rotation washers do. I switched out the above washers for anti-rotation ones. Switching out also helps to prevent over-torqueing the wheel bolts.

I have an unrelated issue with my 1947 GH6 hub as installed on my '51 Sun Wasp - I can't get the outer plate to stop rotating while cycling. The late '40s versions of the GH6 have bearing adjustment on the right (dynamo side) of the hub and don't include a lock washer (just a lock nut), adjustment has proven difficult. Its either too tight or the face plate starts rotating; I can't get it to keep in proper adjustment because tightening up the right side adjustment (the wide piece you can see below) requires then locking down the bolt, but without a period fitting lock washer its difficult. Anyone else worked with the late 1940s front dynohubs? Any tricks, parts substitutions, etc. to achieve a good adjustment?

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...07993c08_b.jpgPXL_20221209_202457876

cudak888 05-05-23 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 22880854)
I see that I provided at least one in the Superbe Kit! I may have the other one in a drawer somewhere - the catch is this: they don't prevent rotation, not nearly as well as the later anti-rotation washers do. I switched out the above washers for anti-rotation ones. Switching out also helps to prevent over-torqueing the wheel bolts.

I have an unrelated issue with my 1947 GH6 hub as installed on my '51 Sun Wasp - I can't get the outer plate to stop rotating while cycling. The late '40s versions of the GH6 have bearing adjustment on the right (dynamo side) of the hub and don't include a lock washer (just a lock nut), adjustment has proven difficult. Its either too tight or the face plate starts rotating; I can't get it to keep in proper adjustment because tightening up the right side adjustment (the wide piece you can see below) requires then locking down the bolt, but without a period fitting lock washer its difficult. Anyone else worked with the late 1940s front dynohubs? Any tricks, parts substitutions, etc. to achieve a good adjustment?
PXL_20221209_202457876

This is the '57 Triumph though; I was able to get a spare for the Superbe (I think it was from nlerner or clubman but don't remember offhand). Now you have me second-guessing whether I should be using these, given that the bike might be ridden now that it's refurbished.

I have a feeling your early Dynohubs might be suffering from the same issue as my '47 was. I wrote up a bit about this; let me know if this helps:

https://www.bikeforums.net/21227463-post43.html

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8e48aeb1d7.jpg


-Kurt

cudak888 05-05-23 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 22879716)
Twenty for ninety in NY. I'd buy it.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...57641332712588

Wow. I can't remember when I've seen Bronze Green looking that good on a Twenty. That looks like a virtually new bike.

Can anyone facilitate?

-Kurt

1989Pre 05-05-23 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by Elddir_Mot (Post 22880759)
and this makes eight, so definitely pics coming soon!
I actually donít go into the city proper much, but I do go to Newton and Cambridge often so good to hear those are options. Iíll admit Iím a little intimidated about riding around here ó last time I spent much time on a bike was in semi-rural GA, so all dirt paths or one lane roads. Very different vibe haha

Yeah, in my opinion, Newton is the place to ride. Much more relaxed than Cambridge and Waltham. There must be good places to ride in Watertown, but I don't know about them. You could take Galen St. to Washington St. (Newton Corner) left on Walnut, which takes you up to Newton Cntr and Newton Highlands. From there, you could head over to Wells Ave on weekends, which is actually on the Newton/Needham line. That might be a good place for your daughter to gain some confidence, because it is an industrial park and not many cars on weekends. Lots of space. There is actually a road cycling club that meets at that location.

Elddir_Mot 05-05-23 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by 1989Pre (Post 22881282)
Yeah, in my opinion, Newton is the place to ride. Much more relaxed than Cambridge and Waltham. There must be good places to ride in Watertown, but I don't know about them. You could take Galen St. to Washington St. (Newton Corner) left on Walnut, which takes you up to Newton Cntr and Newton Highlands. From there, you could head over to Wells Ave on weekends, which is actually on the Newton/Needham line. That might be a good place for your daughter to gain some confidence, because it is an industrial park and not many cars on weekends. Lots of space. There is actually a road cycling club that meets at that location.

Awesome idea- and the weatherís clearing up, so we might hit that up this weekend!

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thanks to everyone for the input! I decided follow the general consensus and not to bother with the FB bike, but I pulled the trigger on the CL Ď71 (really cool seller, he included an original prestube rack!) 😊

Bike Tax:

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https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d9dffe9d9.jpeg


finally, this is a undoubtedly a dumb question butÖwhatís this little doohickey on the front for? Is it just decorative?


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...886f5b475.jpeg

SirMike1983 05-05-23 10:51 PM


Originally Posted by Elddir_Mot (Post 22881422)
Awesome idea- and the weatherís clearing up, so we might hit that up this weekend!

ó

thanks to everyone for the input! I decided follow the general consensus and not to bother with the FB bike, but I pulled the trigger on the CL Ď71 (really cool seller, he included an original prestube rack!) 😊

Bike Tax:












finally, this is a undoubtedly a dumb question butÖwhatís this little doohickey on the front for? Is it just decorative?


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...886f5b475.jpeg

It is for a headlight. There is a special clamp that mounts to the bracket and holds the headlight.

https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...928_173943.jpg

1989Pre 05-06-23 04:20 AM

Wow! Good going! That really IS in nice condition! You got a Brooks B72 saddle that is worth almost the price of the bicycle. That is so cool! Does the pump say made in England? How does it shift, and what is the max tire pressure?

Elddir_Mot 05-06-23 08:42 AM

SirMike1983 Mystery solved! Thank you, and might I say that is a gorgeous bike. How do you keep/get the paint looking so pristine?!

1989Pre Thank you! Unfortunately, the saddleís splitting at the front rivets, so Iíll have to replace itó Iím hoping to find a b66, but no luck so far on CL/eBay. The tires are Kendras, max psi 55, and the shiftingís super smooth! Its a really nice ride, Iím excited to get out on it 😊


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