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Originally Posted by nlerner
(Post 20924081)
The nice thing about using an early 70s SuperCourse for such a conversion is that they don't have a derailleur hanger and are spaced at 120mm in the rear triangle, so a 3-speed hub with a 6 1/4" axle will fit without serious modification. Running cable stops and pulley wheels can be a bit fiddly, but quite do-able. Last weekend I had my '73 SuperCourse equipped with a 5-speed rear hub out for a 30 miler.
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Originally Posted by julius rensch
(Post 20923769)
gster knows alot about these English 3 speeds....wondering, have you ever run across a Sturmey Archer 4 speed ? ....my friend had a 1953 Indian Scout so equiped...the additional speed was labeled "B" just below Low.(#1)
....my Indian had the conventional S/A 3 speed. Both of our cycles were imported by the Indian Motorcycle dealer in Toledo, Ohio...we bought them new, in the crate. Julius in Ohio https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7147033ad2.jpg They were re branded Phillips bicycles https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...66429cdf46.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5b27f07ebf.jpg https://threespeedmania.wordpress.co...dian-3-speeds/ |
Originally Posted by julius rensch
(Post 20923769)
gster knows alot about these English 3 speeds....wondering, have you ever run across a Sturmey Archer 4 speed ? ....my friend had a 1953 Indian Scout so equiped...the additional speed was labeled "B" just below Low.(#1)
....my Indian had the conventional S/A 3 speed. Both of our cycles were imported by the Indian Motorcycle dealer in Toledo, Ohio...we bought them new, in the crate. Julius in Ohio |
Originally Posted by gster
(Post 20924496)
I've never seen a 4 speed hub, but I know about those Indian Scouts.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7147033ad2.jpg They were re branded Phillips bicycles https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...66429cdf46.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5b27f07ebf.jpg https://threespeedmania.wordpress.co...dian-3-speeds/ all the best, Julius in Ohio |
Originally Posted by BigChief
(Post 20924541)
Sturmey Archer made plenty of 4 speeds. Mostly they were used on the higher end club style bikes. Roadsters were usually 3 speeds. From the late 40s till around 1955, all the trigger shifters were made to work on both 3 and 4 speed hubs, so you'll see older 3 speed roadsters with shifters marked 3 or 4 speed.
It had drop handlebars. Sturmey Archer gears, Celluloid Fenders, rat trap pedals and 27 x 1 1/4 gum tyres...very light weight. The owner used to do 100 milers on weekends...needless to say we were impressed. Julius in Ohio |
Originally Posted by julius rensch
(Post 20923769)
gster knows alot about these English 3 speeds....wondering, have you ever run across a Sturmey Archer 4 speed ? ....my friend had a 1953 Indian Scout so equiped...the additional speed was labeled "B" just below Low.(#1)
....my Indian had the conventional S/A 3 speed. Both of our cycles were imported by the Indian Motorcycle dealer in Toledo, Ohio...we bought them new, in the crate. Julius in Ohio https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7147033ad2.jpg They were re branded Phillips bicycles https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...66429cdf46.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5b27f07ebf.jpg https://threespeedmania.wordpress.co...dian-3-speeds/ |
Although cool and grey yesterday, I took the opportunity to take a first ride on the just completed Royal Nord President (Belgian) with its English Brampton 3 speed setup (as original). To those contemplating using a 3 speed drivetrain on a lighter, quality frame, with alloy components, I say "go for it!" Weighing 12.5 lbs less than my DL1 Roadster with a 531SG frame, alloy 700-38C wheels and fairly light Pasela PT tires it feels like a racing machine. It has the raked forks and smooth ride but feels connected and sporty and less vague. The 17T cog is too high but is threaded and I have not yet found a bigger replacement.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2f89756a0c.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...eacb07c749.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...16908cf182.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6452b59a18.jpg |
Originally Posted by browngw
(Post 20924630)
Although cool and grey yesterday, I took the opportunity to take a first ride on the just completed Royal Nord President (Belgian) with its English Brampton 3 speed setup (as original). To those contemplating using a 3 speed drivetrain on a lighter, quality frame, with alloy components, I say "go for it!" Weighing 12.5 lbs less than my DL1 Roadster with a 531SG frame, alloy 700-38C wheels and fairly light Pasela PT tires it feels like a racing machine. It has the raked forks and smooth ride but feels connected and sporty and less vague. The 17T cog is too high but is threaded and I have not yet found a bigger replacement.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2f89756a0c.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...eacb07c749.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...16908cf182.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6452b59a18.jpg How much do you think you've spent, excluding labour, of course ? |
Originally Posted by gster
(Post 20924644)
Some nice details on this one.
How much do you think you've spent, excluding labour, of course ? Estimates as follows: Bike $280 Saddle $150 Tires $100 Grips $10 Cables $40 Pedals $60 Bearings etc. $10 Hand painted details Priceless! Grand Total $ 650.00 I have set a new personal record on a single vintage bike. It seems like a lot of money, but I was at the LBS yesterday and I could not buy much with that. |
Originally Posted by browngw
(Post 20924630)
Although cool and grey yesterday, I took the opportunity to take a first ride on the just completed Royal Nord President (Belgian) with its English Brampton 3 speed setup (as original). To those contemplating using a 3 speed drivetrain on a lighter, quality frame, with alloy components, I say "go for it!" Weighing 12.5 lbs less than my DL1 Roadster with a 531SG frame, alloy 700-38C wheels and fairly light Pasela PT tires it feels like a racing machine. It has the raked forks and smooth ride but feels connected and sporty and less vague. The 17T cog is too high but is threaded and I have not yet found a bigger replacement.
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Originally Posted by browngw
(Post 20924688)
Why did you have to ask that question? I was having a nice day!
Estimates as follows: Bike $280 Saddle $150 Tires $100 Grips $10 Cables $40 Pedals $60 Bearings etc. $10 Hand painted details Priceless! Grand Total $ 650.00 I have set a new personal record on a single vintage bike. It seems like a lot of money, but I was at the LBS yesterday and I could not buy much with that. I can see how much attention has been applied to this one. |
Originally Posted by browngw
(Post 20924630)
Although cool and grey yesterday, I took the opportunity to take a first ride on the just completed Royal Nord President (Belgian) with its English Brampton 3 speed setup (as original). To those contemplating using a 3 speed drivetrain on a lighter, quality frame, with alloy components, I say "go for it!" Weighing 12.5 lbs less than my DL1 Roadster with a 531SG frame, alloy 700-38C wheels and fairly light Pasela PT tires it feels like a racing machine. It has the raked forks and smooth ride but feels connected and sporty and less vague. The 17T cog is too high but is threaded and I have not yet found a bigger replacement.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2f89756a0c.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...eacb07c749.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...16908cf182.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6452b59a18.jpg |
Originally Posted by BigChief
(Post 20924893)
What a cool bike. I really like this one. Got to ask...Where did you find those braided cable housings?
Glad you like the Royal Nord, now believed to be around 1956-60. I expect I must have 160hours of fun building this bike. Now I may be selling my coffee 1972 Sports as this makes 3peed #4.https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...23fd1bc48f.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...96bae0b005.jpg |
Looks like they only make metallic braided housings. Oh well, looks like I'm back to my project of making them with tube shoe laces. Not that I have an early roadster project going now, but I have been putting up parts for one when it comes along and I'll be needing black braided housings.
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Originally Posted by browngw
(Post 20924688)
Why did you have to ask that question? I was having a nice day!
Estimates as follows: Bike $280 Saddle $150 Tires $100 Grips $10 Cables $40 Pedals $60 Bearings etc. $10 Hand painted details Priceless! Grand Total $ 650.00 I have set a new personal record on a single vintage bike. It seems like a lot of money, but I was at the LBS yesterday and I could not buy much with that. |
Originally Posted by BigChief
(Post 20925676)
Looks like they only make metallic braided housings. Oh well, looks like I'm back to my project of making them with tube shoe laces. Not that I have an early roadster project going now, but I have been putting up parts for one when it comes along and I'll be needing black braided housings.
https://www.missionbicycle.com/store...-cable-housing |
Here's a one owner Superbe for sale in Toronto.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0ce9554f10.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c6503940e6.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3947de05dd.jpg Complete Nice chrome Pump, saddlebag and key $225.00 |
Originally Posted by clubman
(Post 20919554)
I've posted this before but it seems appropriate since it's a Canadian bike. The left side column of the Rim Chart shows the English sizes, of which there's two 28 x 1 1/4. One of them is a 630 mm/27" K2 which is easy enough to find. The next is an Endrick rim called an EA2 (sorry I said EA4, another obsolete size). This EA2 has the 80 inch bead circumference and is the equivalent to a 647 mm bead. The problem is that if and when you find these tires, they are always rotted out. I think real rubber didn't last long. This (your) Gold Medal is from the 50's however and just maybe, they did a run of these tires with a more modern compound. I seriously think there's a number of collectors on Vintage CCM that would pay well for this wheelset if it's the larger size.
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Originally Posted by Road Fan
(Post 20925997)
The rim chart is rather amazing. Two of the rows in the "rim" column identify a rim "K2 27 x 1 1/4" with a circumference around 77.92 (actually 77.89) inches. This is the designator on my 1952 or so Dunlop Special Lightweight 27 x 1 1/4 rims, which take modern wire bead 630 x 32 mm. But the tire designator on the left-hand side says 28"!
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Originally Posted by browngw
(Post 20924630)
Although cool and grey yesterday, I took the opportunity to take a first ride on the just completed Royal Nord President (Belgian) with its English Brampton 3 speed setup (as original). To those contemplating using a 3 speed drivetrain on a lighter, quality frame, with alloy components, I say "go for it!" Weighing 12.5 lbs less than my DL1 Roadster with a 531SG frame, alloy 700-38C wheels and fairly light Pasela PT tires it feels like a racing machine. It has the raked forks and smooth ride but feels connected and sporty and less vague. The 17T cog is too high but is threaded and I have not yet found a bigger replacement.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2f89756a0c.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...eacb07c749.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...16908cf182.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6452b59a18.jpg |
Originally Posted by Road Fan
(Post 20925997)
The rim chart is rather amazing. Two of the rows in the "rim" column identify a rim "K2 27 x 1 1/4" with a circumference around 77.92 (actually 77.89) inches. This is the designator on my 1952 or so Dunlop Special Lightweight 27 x 1 1/4 rims, which take modern wire bead 630 x 32 mm. But the tire designator on the left-hand side says 28"!
NOS Kendas 27" x 1 1/2" 37-630 they have an old style block tread and look appropriate. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...00756579a2.jpg Old tires were Dunlop Speedsters @ 28" x 1 1/4" (Canadian size..) I re used one original Dunlop tube https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...757d6024fe.jpg |
Originally Posted by browngw
(Post 20924630)
Although cool and grey yesterday, I took the opportunity to take a first ride on the just completed Royal Nord President (Belgian) with its English Brampton 3 speed setup (as original). To those contemplating using a 3 speed drivetrain on a lighter, quality frame, with alloy components, I say "go for it!" Weighing 12.5 lbs less than my DL1 Roadster with a 531SG frame, alloy 700-38C wheels and fairly light Pasela PT tires it feels like a racing machine. It has the raked forks and smooth ride but feels connected and sporty and less vague. The 17T cog is too high but is threaded and I have not yet found a bigger replacement.
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Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln
(Post 20927349)
It doesn't seem like a crazy bill for a bike with a 531 frame (I don't know what SG means).
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@agmetal is correct. SG is a common abbreviation for straight gauge instead of the lighter butted or double butted tubing.
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Originally Posted by browngw
(Post 20927397)
@agmetal is correct. SG is a common abbreviation for straight gauge instead of the lighter butted or double butted tubing.
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