Improved Portable Bike Stand Specification Research
Hello,
I am currently undertaking a design & manufacture school project, and am conducting some research for my specifications. The project will concern a small portable bike stand, so here are some questions that will provide me with some valuable information (remember this is all hypothetical, don’t worry about how it will be done): What issues are there with existing portable bike stands? Where, when and by whom would a hypothetical portable bike stand be used? Are there any specific things/functions it would need to be able to do? What would an expected price-point be for such a product? What colour/texture and shape would you find attractive in such a product? Many thanks for your time! |
What so you mean by "portable"?
Most bike stands are portable, in that they can be folded and carried around, but are not "portable" in the sense that one could easily carry one on a bicycle, for instance. A bike stand has to be sturdy enough to support a bike very securely without collapsing or falling over---the legs have to support the stand with total security or the bike would come crashing down. Most stands are made of metal, at least in part, and all the ones I have seen can be folded and stuck in a corner or whatever, when not in use. A bike stand needs (IMO) a rotating clamp so that it can hold a top tube or a seat tube, and can hold the bike at various angles. It should have an arm which holds the handlebars, so the front wheel doesn't flop around. The arm needs to be long enough that the pedals won't hit the upright when the pedals are rotated. Many stands include a small tray and rack for small parts and tools. I don't find this useful but apparently a lot of people do. Color is entirely subjective. Price point? Competitive. |
lots of these "research" posts lately.
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Originally Posted by jadmt
(Post 23050824)
lots of these "research" posts lately.
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Great, thanks for your input Maelochs!
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"What issues are there with existing portable bike stands?"
Stability when wrenching on a stand. They tend to wiggle a lot and some can even tip a bit. "Where, when and by whom would a hypothetical portable bike stand be used?" A portable stand, naturally, is used wherever one wants to use it. Has to be compact when folded down for storage. The person who works on their own bike uses one, of course. Race mechanics as well. When is one used? At the races, at home, at a friends house, etc. "What would an expected price-point be for such a product?" It is a competitive marketplace. Price accordingly. If you want the top end of the market, it will need to be something wildly exclusive and desirable. "What colour/texture and shape would you find attractive in such a product?" Anodized aluminum. Make the color exclusive to your brand for brand recognition, ie Feedback Sports or Park Tools. To put it in simple terms look at the Park commercial grade shop repair stands. They are just about perfect for stability, ease of use, and durability, however they are not portable. Look at their more pricey portable stands to see how they approached portability. Look at Feedback Sports for finish suggestions. Comes right down to it, if you are attempting to come up with the next "better mouse trap" the portable bicycle repair stand has evolved quite nicely over the last 20 years, thus you will need to come up with something truly unique. |
Originally Posted by Maelochs
(Post 23050820)
Many stands include a small tray and rack for small parts and tools. I don't find this useful but apparently a lot of people do.
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Here's an example of your competition.
I own one of those Aldi stands. As a guy who used to run service departments in bike shops, I'm very happy with it. Light weight, easy to adjust, stable, versatile. I've even occasionally pulled out the adjustable vertical tube at the top for use as a cheater bar for, e.g., breaking stubborn bottom bracket cups free. As noted in the linked thread, the only operations it's not much good for are those involving the use of a lot of force. But then, no portable stand design would be good for that. Similar (or identical) portable stands are available from Amazon (and probably other sources) at around the same price. Good thing you're just doing research for a school project. If not, the chances that you can come up with a design that works better and can sell at a similar or lower price are pretty low. |
Are we talking about a work stand? Which allows one to make repairs to the bike? Or just something to hold the bike upright for storage or display?
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I hear of these mythical ALDI stands but we don't have ALDI and I've never seen one.
Can someone post a pic? |
Originally Posted by smd4
(Post 23050942)
Are we talking about a work stand? Which allows one to make repairs to the bike? Or just something to hold the bike upright for storage or display?
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Originally Posted by Robvolz
(Post 23050946)
I hear of these mythical ALDI stands but we don't have ALDI and I've never seen one.
Can someone post a pic? |
Originally Posted by jadmt
(Post 23050824)
lots of these "research" posts lately.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
(Post 23051004)
Yeah, and like this one, they're all somewhat vague.
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Originally Posted by DenizSS
(Post 23050795)
Hello,I am currently undertaking a design & manufacture school project, and am conducting some research for my specifications. The project will concern a small portable bike stand, so here are some questions that will provide me with some valuable information (remember this is all hypothetical, don’t worry about how it will be done):
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Originally Posted by DenizSS
(Post 23050795)
What issues are there with existing portable bike stands?
Originally Posted by DenizSS
(Post 23050795)
Where, when and by whom would a hypothetical portable bike stand be used?
Originally Posted by DenizSS
(Post 23050795)
Are there any specific things/functions it would need to be able to do?
Originally Posted by DenizSS
(Post 23050795)
What would an expected price-point be for such a product?
Originally Posted by DenizSS
(Post 23050795)
What colour/texture and shape would you find attractive in such a product?
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Originally Posted by DenizSS
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If I give too much detail I think it would put people off, as it should be a quick series of easily answerable questions, what aspect would you like better explained?
Where, when and by whom would a hypothetical portable bike stand be used? |
Originally Posted by DenizSS
(Post 23050795)
What issues are there with existing portable bike stands?
Originally Posted by DenizSS
(Post 23050795)
Where, when and by whom would a hypothetical portable bike stand be used?
Originally Posted by DenizSS
(Post 23050795)
Are there any specific things/functions it would need to be able to do?
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Originally Posted by DenizSS
(Post 23050795)
What would an expected price-point be for such a product?
Originally Posted by DenizSS
(Post 23050795)
What colour/texture and shape would you find attractive in such a product?
Good luck (my son is in design school as we speak). |
Originally Posted by DenizSS
(Post 23050795)
Hello,
I am currently undertaking a design & manufacture school project, and am conducting some research for my specifications. The project will concern a small portable bike stand, so here are some questions that will provide me with some valuable information (remember this is all hypothetical, don’t worry about how it will be done): What issues are there with existing portable bike stands?
Originally Posted by DenizSS
(Post 23050795)
Where, when and by whom would a hypothetical portable bike stand be used?
Are there any specific things/functions it would need to be able to do? What would an expected price-point be for such a product? What colour/texture and shape would you find attractive in such a product? Many thanks for your time! |
I think you picked a good topic. The trick to a bike work stand is that it's always going to be a compromise. Lighter weight and more compact will sacrifice stability. Sturdier will sacrifice weight.
Current issues are that they're either clunky to move around or flimsy. If it's going to be light, it needs to always be positioned right under the bike's center of gravity. If it's not that light, maybe it should have some kind of wheels to move it around on. The target customer is variable. Team mechanics want portable, but usually have a van and don't need it too compact but they want it sturdy for day-after-day use. Someone who goes on bike vacations occasionally probably wants it smaller and doesn't beat it up as much. If you can bridge that gap, your product might be worth its weight in gold. It needs to be stable. It should hold the bike in the various positions and heights used for various jobs. I find a magnetic parts tray to be useful. If you want to appeal to amateurs, you'll need it to be under about $150 I think. I figure neutral colors are less likely to put off picky buyers, but Park Tool seems to have proven that to be otherwise. People are attracted to symmetry, so there's that. |
Originally Posted by Maelochs
(Post 23050820)
Many stands include a small tray and rack for small parts and tools. I don't find this useful but apparently a lot of people do.
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Originally Posted by Robvolz
(Post 23050946)
I hear of these mythical ALDI stands but we don't have ALDI and I've never seen one.
Can someone post a pic? |
Rigidity
Integrated tool tray, not an accessory Solution for holding CF bikes other than by the seat stem |
I got my from Wal-market .... under $50 delivered to my door, mostly metal, tripod base, very stable, pretty light .... has everything I need and does everything I need. I can't see any reason to pay more.
As for holding two bikes .... not feasible because the bikes would need to be more than two feet apart at least, which makes for a pretty wide stand, which would need a very wide and heavy (non-portable) base---two bikes might weigh 70 pounds or so ... and also, one benefit to a stand is the mechanic can walk around the bike or swivel the stand to access both sides of the bike without taking it down ... two bikes on a stand and the mechanics would be interfering with each other. The target market is anybody who worlds on bikes. if the stand is a good deal and well made, there is no reason a shop wouldn't buy one and no reason a private citizen wouldn't either. As many have mentioned, this is a mature product---well-developed, fully refined, and hard to improve. |
By the way, I imagine S&S couplers might make a stand that can be made more compact yet very solid when assembled. If it can make a rideable frame, why not a workable stand?
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I think it is Lezyne here in Japan which sells a portable stand for bikes. It’s basically a slide-on extension which goes over the crank arm, and descends to the ground. Used with a “Flickstand,’ it can keep your bike upright when you need to stop for awhile, and it can be carried in a jersey pocket. It can be used without a Flickstand if the bike is positioned properly.
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