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paulb_in_bkln 11-29-19 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 21227317)
You're the hero Gotham deserves. When I liberated the '79 Sports from its resting place, I knew I was getting some parts that would be useful again. The frame went to a co-op, where another bike obsessed person slapped on a wheelset with another AW, and got it back out in the street for a person in need of decent transportation.
One of these days you'll find a 36h hub, or an AG, or FG.

Hub's from 1969. Half a century. Just picked off the street. In 1969 what could I have expected to find on the street from 1919? Time seems to mean less and less. My radar for these derelicts is pretty sharp so if there's something a little more exotic out there, I will find it.

jackbombay 11-29-19 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 21227599)
Hub's from 1969. Half a century. Just picked off the street. In 1969 what could I have expected to find on the street from 1919? Time seems to mean less and less. My radar for these derelicts is pretty sharp so if there's something a little more exotic out there, I will find it.

Or, what could you expect to find on the streets from 2019 in 2069 that is still a totally functional and reliable piece of hardware?

paulb_in_bkln 11-29-19 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by jackbombay (Post 21227607)
Or, what could you expect to find on the streets from 2019 in 2069 that is still a totally functional and reliable piece of hardware?

Nothing bike related made from carbon fiber, that's for sure.

paulb_in_bkln 11-29-19 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 21227075)
I plucked the wheel/hub from yet another derelict, decomposing Raleigh. Dekalb Ave. Can't yet read year of origin. Probably 70s. Forty spoke AW. Can you have a mania without being a maniac?

I know where there's another one, too. But there's cops and cameras. I don't know if I dare.

clubman 11-29-19 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 21227647)
I know where there's another one, too. But there's cops and cameras. I don't know if I dare.

If you really need an SA hub or wheel, ask the forum. Cops? No.

paulb_in_bkln 11-30-19 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21227656)
If you really need an SA hub or wheel, ask the forum. Cops? No.

This one even has a Westrick rim that's in good shape. Superficial rust that will polish right off and no dings or blips in the sidewalls. Unusual in these sidewalk derelicts.

FBOATSB 11-30-19 08:01 AM

Seller's pics. This is very close to me. The asking price is $70. Thoughts?
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f95405772a.png

BigChief 11-30-19 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by FBOATSB (Post 21227920)
Seller's pics. This is very close to me. The asking price is $70. Thoughts?
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f95405772a.png

The price is good. Mid 70s Sports. No bad rust issues, the fork looks straight, good condition. Looks to be all original even the Brooks B72 saddle. Hard to tell if the saddle still in usable condition from the picture though. Nice color. Burgundy, looks like. It is a 21" frame. If you're taller than 5' 8" or so, it would be better to hold out for a 23" frame Sports. The stem is set too high. The expander should always be below the threaded section of the fork tube. This one isn't.

FBOATSB 11-30-19 09:50 AM

Thanks, BigChief . The other pics didn't upload, here they are. I'll take some more when it is not so damp and dreary. I just got back with the bike. The AW hub says '74. The seller gladly took$50. It will probably spend the winter on my basement stand being tinkered with. I'll make sure it's safe to ride. I noticed it has one broken cotter, so I'll have to address that when I service the BB. I think that weathered saddle can be preserved to fit my purposes.
I can comfortably ride 24", 25", 26" Schwinns but I want to try a smaller frame that I can put both feet on the ground for slow rollin' around the neighborhood when I don't have the time for a longer, "faster" (for me) ride. If it doesn't work out that way I'll pass it along.
Looks like the rear section of the back mudguard was brush painted gold & has hints of white showing, I'll gently strip that off and see what's underneath and source a rear reflector to fill the hole there.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f58ecad86e.png
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...74770651de.png
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9b0b1a8cfd.png

BigChief 11-30-19 10:10 AM

Well, there is an option. I'm 6' with a 33" inseam and one of my favorite riders is a modified old 21" frame Rudge. SunLite makes a long 22.2mm touring stem. If you don't mind making up new cables you can use one of those to set up this bike for upright riding with proper leg extension. I put a shim in the 1" clamp to make up for the smaller Raleigh 15/16" handlebar, but I'm not sure it's necessary. Here's my Rudge "scorcher"


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cfc3daf6ef.jpg

gster 11-30-19 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by FBOATSB (Post 21228001)
Thanks, BigChief . The other pics didn't upload, here they are. I'll take some more when it is not so damp and dreary. I just got back with the bike. The AW hub says '74. The seller gladly took$50. It will probably spend the winter on my basement stand being tinkered with. I'll make sure it's safe to ride. I noticed it has one broken cotter, so I'll have to address that when I service the BB. I think that weathered saddle can be preserved to fit my purposes.
I can comfortably ride 24", 25", 26" Schwinns but I want to try a smaller frame that I can put both feet on the ground for slow rollin' around the neighborhood when I don't have the time for a longer, "faster" (for me) ride. If it doesn't work out that way I'll pass it along.
Looks like the rear section of the back mudguard was brush painted gold & has hints of white showing, I'll gently strip that off and see what's underneath and source a rear reflector to fill the hole there.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f58ecad86e.png
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...74770651de.png
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9b0b1a8cfd.png

I'd say $50.00 was a great deal.
I pay that for a nice used saddle.
And yes, a smaller frame can be a nice city bike
with some modifications for a tall rider.

FBOATSB 11-30-19 10:37 AM

Coincidentally, BigChief That's the exact stem I'm running on a 26" Schwinn Continental. They come in different sizes.

FBOATSB 11-30-19 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21228062)
I'd say $50.00 was a great deal.
I pay that for a nice used saddle.
And yes, a smaller frame can be a nice city bike
with some modifications for a tall rider.

Thanks. I had permission from the CFO to pay the full $70 based only the British Mfg. So $20 profit right off the bat.:thumb:

clubman 11-30-19 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by FBOATSB (Post 21228077)
Thanks. I had permission from the CFO to pay the full $70 based only the British Mfg. So $20 profit right off the bat.:thumb:

Never tell the CFO what you paid. Unless it's for her or him. Good deal on the Sports.

wdbii 11-30-19 03:49 PM

Hi, I'm new to the forum but not to bikes. I have a bunch of them from the 1980's and used to ride a *heck* of a lot. My wife and I met on a century ride and we both eventually completed the Paris-Brest-Paris 1200Km Brevet. I'm not riding so much lately though. And, as maybe you can tell, my experience is primarily with 80's and older "racing" bikes. I don't know much about the English 3 speed stuff.

My uncle ran a small bike shop out of his barn for years after he retired, and recently retired from the bike shop business too. He asked if I wanted to go through the parts he had left, and now I find myself with a bunch of little thingamabobs for servicing 3 speed hubs and drivetrains. I'm trying to decide whether it is worth doing an inventory and offering the stuff up for sale, or maybe trying to sell it as a lot, or maybe just tossing it out and selling the nifty ancient parts bin the stuff is in. Any thoughts or ideas are greatly appreciated.

clubman 11-30-19 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by wdbii (Post 21228383)
Hi, I'm new to the forum but not to bikes. I have a bunch of them from the 1980's and used to ride a *heck* of a lot. My wife and I met on a century ride and we both eventually completed the Paris-Brest-Paris 1200Km Brevet. I'm not riding so much lately though. And, as maybe you can tell, my experience is primarily with 80's and older "racing" bikes. I don't know much about the English 3 speed stuff.

My uncle ran a small bike shop out of his barn for years after he retired, and recently retired from the bike shop business too. He asked if I wanted to go through the parts he had left, and now I find myself with a bunch of little thingamabobs for servicing 3 speed hubs and drivetrains. I'm trying to decide whether it is worth doing an inventory and offering the stuff up for sale, or maybe trying to sell it as a lot, or maybe just tossing it out and selling the nifty ancient parts bin the stuff is in. Any thoughts or ideas are greatly appreciated.

It can be a lot of work selling parts if you have to research what's in your inventory. Tools are always in demand. If you take your time, introduce yourself and make 10 posts, you'll be able to show some pics and get informed opinions. If you give a location, there could be someone ready and willing to help you.

Ballenxj 11-30-19 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by wdbii (Post 21228383)
My uncle ran a small bike shop out of his barn for years after he retired, and recently retired from the bike shop business too. He asked if I wanted to go through the parts he had left, and now I find myself with a bunch of little thingamabobs for servicing 3 speed hubs and drivetrains. I'm trying to decide whether it is worth doing an inventory and offering the stuff up for sale, or maybe trying to sell it as a lot, or maybe just tossing it out and selling the nifty ancient parts bin the stuff is in. Any thoughts or ideas are greatly appreciated.

I think you need to get your ten posts so you can post images of what you've got here. I'm sure somebody here might be interested in your 3 speed stuff.
Oh, Welcome to the Forum! :)

paulb_in_bkln 11-30-19 11:32 PM


Originally Posted by FBOATSB (Post 21228001)
Thanks, BigChief . The other pics didn't upload, here they are. I'll take some more when it is not so damp and dreary. I just got back with the bike. The AW hub says '74. The seller gladly took$50. It will probably spend the winter on my basement stand being tinkered with. I'll make sure it's safe to ride. I noticed it has one broken cotter, so I'll have to address that when I service the BB. I think that weathered saddle can be preserved to fit my purposes.
I can comfortably ride 24", 25", 26" Schwinns but I want to try a smaller frame that I can put both feet on the ground for slow rollin' around the neighborhood when I don't have the time for a longer, "faster" (for me) ride. If it doesn't work out that way I'll pass it along.
Looks like the rear section of the back mudguard was brush painted gold & has hints of white showing, I'll gently strip that off and see what's underneath and source a rear reflector to fill the hole there.

$50??!! Great price.

FBOATSB 12-01-19 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 21228740)
$50??!! Great price.

Thanks. The seller, (at least half my age), just wanted it gone. Hadn't been ridden in years. Just guessing a deceased family member.

Murray Missile 12-01-19 09:04 AM

Any "love" for Canadian 5 speeds here LOL? It "looks" British, it has 3 speeds (plus 2) and Canada is a member of the Commonwealth so......

I was given a Baycrest Hurricane that I believe is from the 1970's. It's a 23 inch men's lugged frame, most certainly HiTen, with stamped dropouts, not a single braze on and 26 inch (590) wheels. The only reason I'm posting it here is because the mods I was going to make to my '77 Raleigh LTD 3 I posted several weeks ago are going to be made to this poor old rusty lump instead and I will keep the LTD close to original. The rust covered fenders are totally straight and dent free, they will get roughed up and painted to match the frame. I'll switch it over to 26 inch MTB (559) wheels and I have several vintage sets of long reach caliper brakes that should work. I'll replace the crappy nylon cable guides with vintage Suntour clamp on guides and try to keep it as vintage looking as possible.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cc8c24d05a.jpg

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5aaafda32e.jpg

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d69650260f.jpg

Ged117 12-01-19 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21225265)
Agreed,
There's no challenge buying a bike that's already fixed up...

The 1953 Raleigh Lenton Sports Reg Harris with FW hub in fantastic shape I posted from eBay has ended sold at $38,179CAD. That is bat**** crazy.

dweenk 12-01-19 10:16 AM

2 Sears Austrian 3 Speeds
 
Here are two 3 speeds in Pasadena, MD. The seller is asking $100 for both. It looks as if the step-through has a bent fork though.

https://annapolis.craigslist.org/bik...023576725.html

Ged117 12-01-19 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by brianhamp (Post 21228995)
That is crazy... Do you have the link to that or the Ebay item # ? I would love to see it...
Thanks

Link below.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F202831113166

clubman 12-01-19 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 21228986)
The 1953 Raleigh Lenton Sports Reg Harris with FW hub in fantastic shape I posted from eBay has ended sold at $38,179CAD. That is bat**** crazy.

If it seems to good to be true, then it ain't.

cudak888 12-01-19 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 21228986)
The 1953 Raleigh Lenton Sports Reg Harris with FW hub in fantastic shape I posted from eBay has ended sold at $38,179CAD. That is bat**** crazy.

No, it hasn't. Listing is still up, seller claims "sold" ONLY in the title. The only time I ever see this is when a seller has a handshake agreement for a local sale, but the buyer has not committed to pick up yet.

As such, he revised the listing with such a crazy BIN price that nobody would ever buy it, thus allowing him to keep the listing live if something goes awry with the local sale. Note that the listing indicates that the seller revised the title, description, and sale price on 11/29:


29-Nov-19 02:31:45 GMT
Title
Description
Buy it now price
Probably against eBay policy, but his style of description doesn't sound as if this is a guy to follow policy in the first place.

-Kurt

cudak888 12-01-19 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by brianhamp (Post 21229054)
I messaged the seller. He put that price there to stop bidding as it is Pending sale...

Beat me to it!

-Kurt

Ged117 12-01-19 11:53 AM

Ah! Thanks all for the clarification. I'm relatively new to eBay shenanigans. I didn't know about those particulars.

Still, I'm curious about the actual sale price.

gster 12-02-19 08:39 AM

Interesting
Listed on Kijiji Toronto as a 1926 Hercules 2 speed....
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e0b9b858ed.png
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...61b7388896.png
Seller is asking $650.00
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details...dId=1475150198

gster 12-02-19 08:51 AM

Also interesting in a different way
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f3a62eebde.jpg
Listed as a 1961 Raynal 3 Speed
This beauty can be yours for a mere $999.00!
I've submitted a bid OVER asking price so it doesn't slip away.....

Ged117 12-02-19 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21230079)


Flashlights or "electric torches" became available around 1910 or so. I'm guessing a lamp from 1926 would use that technology.

I'm not sure when the original 8 volt sturmey archer dynohub became available.


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