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reconnaissance 12-04-20 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by smontanaro (Post 21800189)
Shifting gears a bit, but still on the tubular tire topic... I purchased a pair of used Dugast cyclocross tubulars at the last Brazen Dropouts swap meet. One tire had some issues with the sewing of the casing (tearing). I got around to fixing that the other day and am now thinking about mounting them on some bike (most likely whatever they will fit). Unfortunately, they have a new-to-me glue reside of some sort. It kind of looks like snot from a bad cold and has the consistency of that adhesive used to affix gift cards at the checkout counter to the cardboard backing - very rubbery, doesn't stick to your fingers. What is it? Is it tubular tape residue or some other type of tubular (or other) glue? Should I attempt to remove all/most of it before gluing the tire to the rim with Vittoria Mastik One? Is it possible something Dugast applied to their tires (I suspect not)?

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bdd4a986ba.jpg

That looks to me like latex sidewall coating. This was sold in a bottle with a brush and was used to revitalize & protect sidewall fibers.

woodcraft 12-04-20 08:32 PM


Originally Posted by smontanaro (Post 21800189)
Shifting gears a bit, but still on the tubular tire topic... I purchased a pair of used Dugast cyclocross tubulars at the last Brazen Dropouts swap meet. One tire had some issues with the sewing of the casing (tearing). I got around to fixing that the other day and am now thinking about mounting them on some bike (most likely whatever they will fit). Unfortunately, they have a new-to-me glue reside of some sort. It kind of looks like snot from a bad cold and has the consistency of that adhesive used to affix gift cards at the checkout counter to the cardboard backing - very rubbery, doesn't stick to your fingers. What is it? Is it tubular tape residue or some other type of tubular (or other) glue? Should I attempt to remove all/most of it before gluing the tire to the rim with Vittoria Mastik One? Is it possible something Dugast applied to their tires (I suspect not)?

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bdd4a986ba.jpg


Yes, tubular tape residue. Folks pretty much only have good things to say about it. so your situation must not be a problem.:rolleyes:

smontanaro 12-04-20 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by woodcraft (Post 21818912)
Yes, tubular tape residue. Folks pretty much only have good things to say about it. so your situation must not be a problem.:rolleyes:

Thanks. Maybe its superior adhesion explains all the places on both tires where the base tape was separated from the casing. Perhaps even the torn stitches? :foo:

SwimmerMike 12-14-20 11:53 AM

I just became the proud owner of some Scheeren hoops built on some nice high flange Campy hubs. I was looking for tubular recommendations for these wheels. My other wheels are a lot narrower so I didn't know if they caused any limitations. From a first look, I think 25's and possibly 28's would fit the bike.

wesley77803 12-29-20 10:24 PM

Okay, I managed to read the entire thread (all the way back to 2005) and did not see any reference to Park Tool's set of instructions on mounting tubulars:

http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-...-gluing-sew-up

They recommend 1 coat on the tire which they do before the rim. Followed by three (and possibly more) coats on the rim, 24 hours of drying time after the first and second coats. The tire goes on after the third coat is partially dry (60 seconds to a few minutes) and then dries for 24 hours after the tire is installed.

Classtime 12-30-20 06:52 AM

One coat is enough on some tires but others have a base tape that will suck up that first coat and beg for more.

smontanaro 12-30-20 08:32 AM

I think the wide variation in people's approach to gluing tubular tires suggests that there is no one right answer, and that it will be context-dependent (different tires, rooms, used v new, width, etc). On most of my setups (all for the road) I've successfully used one coat on rim and tire, but on my latest setup (wider cx tires, but still on road rims), I wound up with two on each after a mishap on my first ride.

larinjo 01-05-21 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by luker (Post 1830374)
i usta really like the Tubular Bells album...(am I showing my age?)

You don't anymore?

woodcraft 01-24-21 11:10 PM

There hasn't been much input here lately, so here's my latest tire mount.
You may notice:
- concave, dirty brake tracks
- glue strings
- glue on sidewall
- dirty 10 speed cassette
- almost vintage wheel

These file tread tires work pretty well for all around (CX bike)- OK on the street, fine on dirt short of mud, and I seem to have a supply of used ones, so when one gave it up, there was another to take it's place.

Moderate scraping of rim edges with a carving gouge to remove dirty & oxidized glue & remove a few lumps, rub with scotch pad, coat tire & rim with Mastik from a can with brush that lives inside the can, let dry.

Subsequent day coat rim, let dry a few minutes, mount tire, inflate to 45psi, press tire into floor all around, done.


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ee3cfb8997.jpg

gaucho777 01-25-21 02:54 AM

I have some Dugast Pipistrello cross tubs with a similar thread--albeit with different shaped and lower profile nubs on the edge. I agree that it's a good multi-surface tread. I find Vittoria road tubs wear out a little quicker than other tires--a tradeoff for a nice, grippy feel. I wonder how those will fair with some road use.

Btw, I've found Brasso (metal polish) to be a good glue remover. Safe on chrome & aluminum. It can leave a bit of a film which should be cleaned of rims afterward. (I think I may have mentioned this once before, but it would have been many pages ago.)

I like the creative use of the hose rack for those tires. :thumb:

alexihnen 02-01-21 12:59 PM

FWIW I just received 4 of the Servizio Corse tubulars from Yellow Jersey for a total of $78.67. Iím happy with them out of the box. They wonít be ridden more than a couple hundred miles a year. Here they are mounted, but not glued.


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...50fc48d70.jpeg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7bcdbd3cf.jpeg

squirtdad 02-01-21 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by alexihnen (Post 21904942)
FWIW I just received 4 of the Servizio Corse tubulars from Yellow Jersey for a total of $78.67. Iím happy with them out of the box. They wonít be ridden more than a couple hundred miles a year. Here they are mounted, but not glued.


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...50fc48d70.jpeg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7bcdbd3cf.jpeg

your bike space is way to nicely organized :)

alexihnen 02-02-21 12:05 PM

^ I clean up a bit when people are coming over...or when I'm sharing pics on BikeForums. :)

seedsbelize 02-15-21 11:53 AM

Panaracer Race A Evo2 23mm, for $24.99 at Bike Recyclery

sewupnut 02-15-21 01:48 PM

You talking about that red stuff with which you had to tear off the tire and re-glue every season. That's OK if you have a mechanic. I say good riddance to that stuff. Vittoria Mastic was a god-send. In years of racing, the only time I've ever had to remount a tire, is when it's worn out or flat. And getting em off, even after several years is almost impossible. Although, I do check em before a criterium or road race with technical downhills.

smontanaro 02-15-21 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by seedsbelize (Post 21925041)
Panaracer Race A Evo2 23mm, for $24.99 at Bike Recyclery

The Race C Evo3 (26mm) is also on sale, $69.99 per pair. Their site says MSRP is $140/pair. I grabbed a pair to try out.

masi61 02-15-21 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by smontanaro (Post 21925361)
The Race C Evo3 (26mm) is also on sale, $69.99 per pair. Their site says MSRP is $140/pair. I grabbed a pair to try out.

Thanks for the link. The Race A tubulars look nice also.

Wildwood 02-16-21 01:08 PM

Asking for you to help me watch Specialized.com
 
Hey folks -
Please help me watch the Spesh website for any coming sales they have on their top tubulars.
Looking at Allrounder 24mm for the vintage DeRosa, where I prefer a black sidewall.
Hell o th North = maybe, if the reduced price is attractive, but I got a bunch of VeloFlex 27s.
edit= cyclocross now reduced, 33mm with a couple of knobby patterns.
After running these, it made me a believer.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cacb02fa74.jpg

SJX426 02-17-21 08:24 AM

If you want a fast light tire - Vittoria Corsa Speed G2.0 Tubular Road Tire Twin Pack | ProBikeKit.com
Little heavier and maybe fast enough - Vittoria Corsa G2.0 Tubular Road Tire Twin Pack | ProBikeKit.com

Wildwood 02-17-21 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by SJX426 (Post 21927873)

Almost always better prices @ www.merlincycles.com

SJX426 02-17-21 11:27 AM

BBBBBBBut they don't have the Corsa 2.0 in 23 with tan sidewalls!

Wildwood 02-17-21 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by SJX426 (Post 21928217)
BBBBBBBut they don't have the Corsa 2.0 in 23 with tan sidewalls!

Patience is one's friend in the tubular tire purchasing cycle of financial affordability.

Hence my help request on the Spesh tubular.
I'm running many brands and the narrower Spesh (24mm) was one of the best, worthy of another purchase years later.

CV-6 02-17-21 11:15 PM

Watch eBay. From time to time I come across really good deals. Like Specialized Hell of the North tubulars and/or clinchers for about half price. Also picked up four new Veloflex Vlaanderen for about $30 a tire. Some people try these and decide they don't like them. Or their priorities change.

squirtdad 02-18-21 02:46 PM

DiabloScott Pave..... back???? https://www.merlincycles.com/vittori...00c-92388.html

DiabloScott 02-19-21 01:07 AM


Originally Posted by squirtdad (Post 21930276)

Wow, thanks, and that's a good price. Weird that they show 27mm in the "details" (the only size I've ever seen) but 30mm in the options screen.
I've got a gift card coming next week - hopefully these'll still be there.

I was afraid I might have to learn to like brown walls and linear tread.


Black / Green Pave CG 111 28" Tubular 30mm $43.75


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