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cudak888 10-11-19 11:21 PM

Took a photo of the '51 Sports this morning:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ae1576f0be.jpg

-Kurt

carl@davidson 10-12-19 08:22 AM

50's 60's Hermes? please help me Identify..
 
Hello to all. My late Aunt left me a Hermes bicycle that, after having tuned up, rides excellent.

I would appreciate some help in identifying the year and model so I can try to find original accessories.

Was told the bike had a tire pump at the very least and I would like to keep it as authentic as possible.

Possibly add some "bells and whistles". Any Help on this is would be fantastic. Thanks, Carlhttps://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0dc7124ec2.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a9050b9bcf.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7a4028c096.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b79e6c7fdf.jpg

Might spell "sport" ?

thumpism 10-12-19 09:29 AM

The Sturmey hub shell should have a date code stamped into it that probably approximates the bike's manufacture date. 71 1, for example, would mean it had been made in January of 1971. Unless the rear wheel had been replaced at some point that is a good estimate for the bike as well.

thumpism 10-12-19 09:36 AM

Found this nice little Sports at an estate sale this morning. Sticker from a local shop, 71 hub date, broken gear cable and a $75 price tag. We don't need another and I'm not a flipper so I let it go and only discovered on the way out that everything is 50% off today, so $37.50. I still passed. Hope someone deserving gets it. I can see it being sent to the dump. Will have to check again tomorrow.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b615d1877d.jpg

HPL 10-12-19 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by brianhamp (Post 21155337)

My 1970 Raleigh Sports has the OE Sturmey-Archer hub with date of 69 14; February 1970, yours March 1970 (sourced from decades long English restorer of vintage S-A hubs). Don't ask me why; I've only seen this odd dating on "69" hubs; makes me want to see if there's a "70" marked hub with a January, February, or March date code. I don't know how long this anomaly existed. I have 2 hubs without any code, year or month, another anomaly from 1941-1942 apparently.

HPL 10-12-19 02:31 PM

HERCULES "ROADSTER" '40s-'50s(?)
 
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"Pre-Raleigh" Hercules (possibly "Gent's Artisan", or "Roadster Special") original condition except bar wrap, pedals, tires/tubes, and pump(?). "Bolt-on" seatstays, rod (roller) brakes, Hercules 3 speed hub and "Her-cu-matic" shifter, Dunlop rims, Hercules saddle. Refitting with Brooks' B.17s saddle and front/rear tool bags, and rear sidebags. Just need some period "Hercules" grips (white "DARE"?) and pedals (make?), rear rack, and pump (if not proper vintage). Repairing front wheel, couple of broken/missing spokes; still rides well.

3speedslow 10-12-19 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21160440)
Thank you.
Research tells me that very few of these "kit" boats survive due to
a number of reasons;
-poor workmanship
-poor glue
-poor filler
This one seems to have spent most
of it's life stored in a shed.
All of the old filler on the hull was picked out and replaced
with modern epoxy filler.
We will see.....

Reason #4
When fiberglass came out, people just cast these boats off, set adrift or abandoned. Friends of mine say they saw many set afire and pushed off into the river. Sad!

BigChief 10-12-19 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by HPL (Post 21161116)
"Pre-Raleigh" Hercules (possibly "Gent's Artisan", or "Roadster Special") original condition except bar wrap, pedals, tires/tubes, and pump(?). "Bolt-on" seatstays, rod (roller) brakes, Hercules 3 speed hub and "Her-cu-matic" shifter, Dunlop rims, Hercules saddle. Refitting with Brooks' B.17s saddle and front/rear tool bags, and rear sidebags. Just need some period "Hercules" grips (white "DARE"?) and pedals (make?), and pump (if not proper vintage). Repairing front wheel, couple of broken/missing spokes; still rides well.

We were talking about vintage grips a while back. The older ones were rubber or celluloid and didn't hold up like modern plastic. Surviving examples are super rare today. Dare grips were used on Raleigh bikes in the 70s. Even the rod brake DL-1 used them then, but the older rod brake bikes used very short grips. About 3 1/2" long. As far as I know nothing remotely like them is being made today. Here's a picture of an old rod brake roadster with original short grips.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3168385755.jpg

HPL 10-12-19 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by carl@davidson (Post 21160769)
Hello to all. My late Aunt left me a Hermes bicycle that, after having tuned up, rides excellent.

I would appreciate some help in identifying the year and model so I can try to find original accessories.

Was told the bike had a tire pump at the very least and I would like to keep it as authentic as possible.

Possibly add some "bells and whistles". Any Help on this is would be fantastic. Thanks, Carl
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b79e6c7fdf.jpg

Might spell "sport" ?

Hi Carl,
I believe it's a "Sports" model per the frame marking. Previous poster would be correct for determining the year give or take one (more give) if original hub, which it more than likely is. Similar to the Raleigh "Sports" if not nearly identical for the same model year.

BigChief 10-13-19 05:50 AM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 21160524)
Took a photo of the '51 Sports this morning:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ae1576f0be.jpg

-Kurt

Beautiful! I don't remember seeing any photos of this project as it came along. Any before pictures? Great bike, well done.

BigChief 10-13-19 08:06 AM

Speaking of short rod brake grips...Here's something odd that I found while doing my usual "vintage grips" search on eBay. These "R" grips are very close to the mid to late 50s Raleigh grips and are the best option I know of if you want an authentic period look and feel. Here, they are offered in pairs of one regular one short. Why anyone would want one short and one long grip is beyond me, but a pair of those short versions would work well on the older rod brake bikes.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f825adde26.jpg
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Bic...oAAOSwBNtbC7oE

curbtender 10-13-19 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21161693)
Speaking of short rod brake grips...Here's something odd that I found while doing my usual "vintage grips" search on eBay. These "R" grips are very close to the mid to late 50s Raleigh grips and are the best option I know of if you want an authentic period look and feel. Here, they are offered in pairs of one regular one short. Why anyone would want one short and one long grip is beyond me, but a pair of those short versions would work well on the older rod brake bikes.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f825adde26.jpg
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Bic...oAAOSwBNtbC7oE

The cruisers use them for the twist grip shifters.

BigChief 10-13-19 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by curbtender (Post 21161776)
The cruisers use them for the twist grip shifters.

Ahhh Thanks for the explanation. Had me stumped. I wouldn't mind buying 2 pairs for a rod brake project since, more than likely the long pair would be useful at some point.

BocaJr 10-13-19 12:46 PM

1951 Raleigh Sports "C" Tourist
 
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...118880a174.jpg
Just picked this up off FB Marketplace. It needs some work, looks to have been sitting for a while. AW hub dated 51 9.https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7bb0daef14.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ec309d2154.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b58e6923f5.jpg
The right seat stay is bent and the left crankarm pedal threads are a little messed up. Left pedal threading looks good, maybe it was cross threaded or someone didn't realize it was a left hand thread.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f2ef813627.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f0629cb925.jpg
Someone really did a job on the lamp bracket and the original rear brakes are gone. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a0374bf4a1.jpg

Front fender decal still there.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a7eea47dc6.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3bc1799de6.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9f7d0b48f7.jpg

SirMike1983 10-13-19 06:08 PM

Nice day for a ride. The weather is starting to turn here in western New England.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VqLKjLgYh...013_122024.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-duxZEdAAF...013_123956.jpg

cudak888 10-13-19 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21161574)
Beautiful! I don't remember seeing any photos of this project as it came along. Any before pictures? Great bike, well done.

I built this one 13 years ago. There were a few scattered build threads on BikeForums about it, but I haven't been able to find them. This is what it looked like when it arrived from eBay (excluding the rear wheel, which I'd just built and hung in this picture) - frame, fork, and fenders only. It came from a barn in New York.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e6b2b5b783.jpg

The brakes came from @oldroads, wheels came from the UK via eBay, another forum member in Canada provided the FG 4-speed (unfortunately, can't find record of who it was), while @nlerner provided the bars and I believe the crankset as well. The pump is a '90s plastic AFA which looks good enough to fill the frame, while the grips are Peter C. Kohler's very cushy reproductions. Cables are a mix of homespun Shimano with soldered ends and the front is an NOS Clarks cable from Gordon Bradbury.

For the longest time, it ran Duro whitewalls too. This was taken in 2009, when the paint on the chaincase hadn't flaked off and before I had located a headlight for it. I'd really like to find a chaincase that still wears its original Raleigh enamel - the one on it is the only thing I could find at the time (lost out on the original when I bought the bike on eBay. Seller piecemealed the thing). I bought a replacement from eBay recently, and it turned out to be green. Not that I'd object to a 1950's 23" green Sports or Superbe...

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...08c868fc0c.jpg

The nice - if a bit later period - rubberblock pedals served well for a long time, though they would chronically roll on their shafts. Then, one day, the block on one of the pedals decided to split and jettison itself into the great unknown. Decided to go with the MKS pedals only because they take the abuse I give them a lot better.

Those whitewalls became less-than advisable for use in mid 2018, when I decided that creme tires were the ticket.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...badabd59eb.jpg

Headlight used to work too, but I'm not sure if I kept blowing bulbs or whether the contacts on the PCB lost continuity. Haven't had time to check, and it is more or less moot given that it doesn't have a rear lamp.

-Kurt

gster 10-14-19 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21160448)
Fixing those deficiencies brings that boat up to Muskokas 'Lake of Bays' standards. Very envious.

My wife and I were on just such a mahogany runabout when Elizabeth felt sick. I asked whether it was the margarita she'd had earlier and she gave me that look ...you know, the one that sends you immediately to the pharmacy for the pregnancy test? Yup, child #2 at 40 years old.

Good story.
OT
The boat had a fairly successful float test this weekend
i.e. it didn't sink!
Some very small/slow leaks to address in the spring
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c3d0fb4fc.jpeg

gster 10-14-19 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 21162407)
Nice day for a ride. The weather is starting to turn here in western New England.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VqLKjLgYh...013_122024.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-duxZEdAAF...013_123956.jpg

Very much a Gentleman's bicycle

Ballenxj 10-14-19 06:31 AM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 21162548)
I built this one 13 years ago. There were a few scattered build threads on BikeForums about it, but I haven't been able to find them. This is what it looked like when it arrived from eBay (excluding the rear wheel, which I'd just built and hung in this picture) - frame, fork, and fenders only. It came from a barn in New York.

<---image--->

The brakes came from @oldroads, wheels came from the UK via eBay, another forum member in Canada provided the FG 4-speed (unfortunately, can't find record of who it was), while @nlerner provided the bars and I believe the crankset as well. The pump is a '90s plastic AFA which looks good enough to fill the frame, while the grips are Peter C. Kohler's very cushy reproductions. Cables are a mix of homespun Shimano with soldered ends and the front is an NOS Clarks cable from Gordon Bradbury.

For the longest time, it ran Duro whitewalls too. This was taken in 2009, when the paint on the chaincase hadn't flaked off and before I had located a headlight for it. I'd really like to find a chaincase that still wears its original Raleigh enamel - the one on it is the only thing I could find at the time (lost out on the original when I bought the bike on eBay. Seller piecemealed the thing). I bought a replacement from eBay recently, and it turned out to be green. Not that I'd object to a 1950's 23" green Sports or Superbe...

<---image--->

The nice - if a bit later period - rubberblock pedals served well for a long time, though they would chronically roll on their shafts. Then, one day, the block on one of the pedals decided to split and jettison itself into the great unknown. Decided to go with the MKS pedals only because they take the abuse I give them a lot better.

Those whitewalls became less-than advisable for use in mid 2018, when I decided that creme tires were the ticket.

<---image--->

Headlight used to work too, but I'm not sure if I kept blowing bulbs or whether the contacts on the PCB lost continuity. Haven't had time to check, and it is more or less moot given that it doesn't have a rear lamp.

This would seem like a group effort that included forum members. Have you considered an LED conversion for the lamp? Nice looking Bike. :thumb:

gster 10-14-19 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 21160830)
Found this nice little Sports at an estate sale this morning. Sticker from a local shop, 71 hub date, broken gear cable and a $75 price tag. We don't need another and I'm not a flipper so I let it go and only discovered on the way out that everything is 50% off today, so $37.50. I still passed. Hope someone deserving gets it. I can see it being sent to the dump. Will have to check again tomorrow.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b615d1877d.jpg

I probably would have bought it at that price for
-parts
-or a nice bike to gift someone.
It all depends on what shape the rims are in these days.
I'm turning into the neighbourhood "bike guy"...

gster 10-14-19 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 21162548)
I built this one 13 years ago. There were a few scattered build threads on BikeForums about it, but I haven't been able to find them. This is what it looked like when it arrived from eBay (excluding the rear wheel, which I'd just built and hung in this picture) - frame, fork, and fenders only. It came from a barn in New York.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e6b2b5b783.jpg

The brakes came from @oldroads, wheels came from the UK via eBay, another forum member in Canada provided the FG 4-speed (unfortunately, can't find record of who it was), while @nlerner provided the bars and I believe the crankset as well. The pump is a '90s plastic AFA which looks good enough to fill the frame, while the grips are Peter C. Kohler's very cushy reproductions. Cables are a mix of homespun Shimano with soldered ends and the front is an NOS Clarks cable from Gordon Bradbury.

For the longest time, it ran Duro whitewalls too. This was taken in 2009, when the paint on the chaincase hadn't flaked off and before I had located a headlight for it. I'd really like to find a chaincase that still wears its original Raleigh enamel - the one on it is the only thing I could find at the time (lost out on the original when I bought the bike on eBay. Seller piecemealed the thing). I bought a replacement from eBay recently, and it turned out to be green. Not that I'd object to a 1950's 23" green Sports or Superbe...

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...08c868fc0c.jpg

The nice - if a bit later period - rubberblock pedals served well for a long time, though they would chronically roll on their shafts. Then, one day, the block on one of the pedals decided to split and jettison itself into the great unknown. Decided to go with the MKS pedals only because they take the abuse I give them a lot better.

Those whitewalls became less-than advisable for use in mid 2018, when I decided that creme tires were the ticket.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...badabd59eb.jpg

Headlight used to work too, but I'm not sure if I kept blowing bulbs or whether the contacts on the PCB lost continuity. Haven't had time to check, and it is more or less moot given that it doesn't have a rear lamp.

-Kurt

My local (Toronto) supply of MKS pedals @ $29.00 has dried up and
I'm not keen on the prices I see on Amazon....
I would gladly buy 4 pairs to stock up.
P.S
I use your site frequently for reference.
Thanks

clubman 10-14-19 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by HPL (Post 21160916)
My 1970 Raleigh Sports has the OE Sturmey-Archer hub with date of 69 14; February 1970, yours March 1970 (sourced from decades long English restorer of vintage S-A hubs). Don't ask me why; I've only seen this odd dating on "69" hubs; makes me want to see if there's a "70" marked hub with a January, February, or March date code. I don't know how long this anomaly existed. I have 2 hubs without any code, year or month, another anomaly from 1941-1942 apparently.

Mis-stamped Sturmey hubs have always been about, even if not common.. Just human error, probably first thing on a Monday morning.

adventurepdx 10-14-19 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 21162548)
Those whitewalls became less-than advisable for use in mid 2018, when I decided that creme tires were the ticket.

FYI: Schwalbe is now making their Delta Cruisers in "whitewall" which is really more the cream color they use for the all-cream tires. Still looks good. I put a pair on my Superbe. Now if they only made the Delta Cruisers in gumwall...

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3ef7152b84.jpg

julius rensch 10-14-19 01:30 PM

love the Creams
 

Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 21163395)
FYI: Schwalbe is now making their Delta Cruisers in "whitewall" which is really more the cream color they use for the all-cream tires. Still looks good. I put a pair on my Superbe. Now if they only made the Delta Cruisers in gumwall...

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3ef7152b84.jpg

Loves the Creams....they just look more authentic on old English rides.. Julius in Ohio

cudak888 10-14-19 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 21162884)
This would seem like a group effort that included forum members. Have you considered an LED conversion for the lamp? Nice looking Bike. :thumb:

A lot of what I've built has been made possible thanks to other C&V members. It is impossible to do such a specific build through just an LBS, and even eBay has limitations.


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21163165)
My local (Toronto) supply of MKS pedals @ $29.00 has dried up and
I'm not keen on the prices I see on Amazon....
I would gladly buy 4 pairs to stock up.
P.S
I use your site frequently for reference.
Thanks

I have MKS Sylvan Touring on the Sports. Still affordable at Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/MKS-Sylvan-To.../dp/B003Z6PGZU


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 21163395)
FYI: Schwalbe is now making their Delta Cruisers in "whitewall" which is really more the cream color they use for the all-cream tires. Still looks good. I put a pair on my Superbe. Now if they only made the Delta Cruisers in gumwall...

I'm very glad I took the leap to all-creme tires. It avoids a spartan all-black appearance (which I might retain on my '53) or the Americanized appearance of whitewalls. The creme tires also subtly backdates the overall look without appearing artificial.

-Kurt


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