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gster 02-14-21 01:32 PM

I took some advice from a post a while back to try and correct
the forks on my Mexican bike.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4ad18c21e4.jpg
They're bent in every direction,
I think I made some progress.
Now to straighten the bars....

dweenk 02-14-21 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21923855)
I took some advice from a post a while back to try and correct
the forks on my Mexican bike.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4ad18c21e4.jpg
They're bent in every direction,
I think I made some progress.
Now to straighten the bars....

You dog, you seem to be in a much more moderate climate zone. Good for you.

clubman 02-14-21 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 21923794)
JIMBO53 : Always a good excuse for a picture.....

I always liked the nice job you did on this one. I'm still sitting on a '52, waiting for inspiration. It's the biggest mess but for $25, it's my mess.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...613b0ec9ea.jpg

gster 02-14-21 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 21923881)
You dog, you seem to be in a much more moderate climate zone. Good for you.

Yeah..
I quit my job and came down here to Sayulita early Dec.
Not knowing (but suspecting) that things in Toronto would go to hell quickly.
They did.
When I return I'm supposed to go to "Travellers' Prison" for 3 days and pay $2000
for the pleasure......
The parts to fix/restore this bike are available here by mail and quite cheap.
a new handlebar and complete rod and lever brake system sells for 419 pesos ($21.00 US)

I'm going to leave it here when I go.
A young man that works at the taco stand ran across the street and flagged me down
saying how much he liked it.
I'll give it to him.

vintagebicycle 02-15-21 02:10 AM


Originally Posted by JIMBO53 (Post 21923537)
would love to find a duplex fork Humber! Iíve seen posts with vintage RIís too and would welcome one of those to my stable, too!

I think the various English brands were distributed fairly unevenly around the country.
I've been working on and have been around English bicycles for almost 50 years and have never even seen a Humber model in this area. The most common brand is Hercules, then is Raleigh, Robin Hood, Philips, and the occasional Dawes bicycle.
I suppose that back in the day, this was mostly a farming area and English bikes weren't likely big sellers here. When it comes to older bikes, I find mostly American brands from the 50s and 60's.

JIMBO53 02-15-21 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 21923794)

WOW! Now we're talking! That's a beautiful bike, almost the same colour as my BSA. That duplex fork is such a unique feature, surprised it hasn't shown up on other Brit bikes (or maybe it has...?)

gster 02-15-21 01:42 PM

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0ae3debfb4.png

Salubrious 02-15-21 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21923954)
I always liked the nice job you did on this one. I'm still sitting on a '52, waiting for inspiration. It's the biggest mess but for $25, it's my mess.

Being 1952 that would be inspiration enough, wouldn't it? It should have a bottom bracket oiler. My Humber Sports roadster is a 1951 and for whatever reason is a more charming ride than my '72 Superbe.

clubman 02-15-21 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 21925390)
Being 1952 that would be inspiration enough, wouldn't it? It should have a bottom bracket oiler. My Humber Sports roadster is a 1951 and for whatever reason is a more charming ride than my '72 Superbe.

Spot on. I sit on projects because of personal and professional circumstances more than lack of willpower or desire. Time is precious and you really only understand that in your senior years.

Salubrious 02-15-21 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21925425)
Time is precious and you really only understand that in your senior years.

It certainly is!

thumpism 02-15-21 07:17 PM

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...28344015181034

https://scontent.fric1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...8a&oe=604FAB58

clubman 02-15-21 07:52 PM

Great value at the price. Minty almost.

2fat2fly 02-17-21 02:59 AM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 21925807)

Bikes must have an easier life down that way, I've seen quite a few decent looking old English bikes for sale over the past few months. Everything I find up here is rusty or just plain rough. I don't know if its the area here or the way people take care of bikes. I've looked at dozens over the past year and very few were even worth bringing home for parts. The biggest issue here is rims, if that Robin Hood was closer, it would no doubt be donating a set of rims to my Dunelt, but its just not worth what would be almost a 4 hour ride and a couple tanks of gas for me.
I'm also surprised that its still for sale? I'm starting to think the little bike boom we've seen is over. I've seen dozens of decent bikes locally that are cheap that have been listed for months now. There was a '71 Raleigh Sports listed here for 4 months that looked brand new in a 21" frame with perfect paint for $65, the seller finally parted it out on eBay. If it had Dunlop rims, I'd have bought it for the wheels but I don't have a bike that uses Raleigh pattern wheels and after a recent clean out I helped with here, I'm about out of room.

thumpism 02-17-21 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by 2fat2fly (Post 21927658)
Bikes must have an easier life down that way, I've seen quite a few decent looking old English bikes for sale over the past few months. Everything I find up here is rusty or just plain rough. I don't know if its the area here or the way people take care of bikes. I've looked at dozens over the past year and very few were even worth bringing home for parts. The biggest issue here is rims, if that Robin Hood was closer, it would no doubt be donating a set of rims to my Dunelt, but its just not worth what would be almost a 4 hour ride and a couple tanks of gas for me.
I'm also surprised that its still for sale? I'm starting to think the little bike boom we've seen is over. I've seen dozens of decent bikes locally that are cheap that have been listed for months now. There was a '71 Raleigh Sports listed here for 4 months that looked brand new in a 21" frame with perfect paint for $65, the seller finally parted it out on eBay. If it had Dunlop rims, I'd have bought it for the wheels but I don't have a bike that uses Raleigh pattern wheels and after a recent clean out I helped with here, I'm about out of room.

Just because the ad is still up does not mean the bike has not yet sold. FB flakes don't differ much from CL flakes. As for its condition, I suspect that the owner had a dry basement or garage to keep it in, perhaps even hanging up to preserve the tires.

Outside bikes don't fare well around here, either. I found a perfect 20 year old ladies' Sports for a neighbor who liked mine and wanted one for herself. $24 for an old bike that looked brand new with sparkly chrome and the little nubs still on the tires. Twenty years later her husband gave it to me and when I went to pick it up it was leaning up against the fence in the back yard with snow up to the hubs. It looked very different from the way I remembered it.

I believe @dweenk is the area of that Robin Hood.

SirMike1983 02-18-21 03:13 PM

I agree about there being a little more charm in the 1950s bikes than the 1970s ones. They pre-date many of cost-cutting measures Raleigh went through in the 1960s and early 70s. They have some of the more "old school" features that you don't see as often. But with that being said, don't count out the 1970s era bikes. Many of them make very good riders. And some people use them as a platform for modification involving more modern parts. They have a lot to offer too. I have a 1974 Sports and a 1978 DL-1 that I love and have owned for many years.

bwilli88 02-19-21 02:41 AM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 21922226)
Figured these would be appreciated in this thread:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d2690765e2.jpg

I don't believe Sturmey-Archer ever cataloged the RXL-RD3, even though these have finally trickled down to the aftermarket.

It's a version of the S-RF3 with a huge, honkin' 90mm drum brake and matching right side flange; a companion of sorts for the XL-FD.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...379f1fb772.jpg

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...eadc9f49e2.jpg


-Kurt

I would love a set of these, where did you get them?

cudak888 02-19-21 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 21930314)
I agree about there being a little more charm in the 1950s bikes than the 1970s ones. They pre-date many of cost-cutting measures Raleigh went through in the 1960s and early 70s. They have some of the more "old school" features that you don't see as often. But with that being said, don't count out the 1970s era bikes. Many of them make very good riders. And some people use them as a platform for modification involving more modern parts. They have a lot to offer too. I have a 1974 Sports and a 1978 DL-1 that I love and have owned for many years.

Well said. The 1950's bikes are particularly special, but the later ones are still fine framesets, especially after a brake upgrade. Also, it's less conflicting to modify one.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...48756e35a9.jpg


Originally Posted by bwilli88 (Post 21930952)
I would love a set of these, where did you get them?

They're salvage from scrapped JUMP e-bikes. Difficult to come by, though if you Google the model, you'll sometimes find these hubs online through third-party sellers. They require a twist or thumb-operated 3-speed shifter, as the cable pull is different on these.

FYI, I think I read somewhere that the rotary shifter design on the 3-speed hubs was (supposedly) patented by Sturmey-Archer in 1970, but it took SunRace to put it in production. Go figure.

-Kurt

Johno59 02-19-21 09:31 AM

Ignore the rim
 

Originally Posted by 2fat2fly (Post 21927658)
Bikes must have an easier life down that way, I've seen quite a few decent looking old English bikes for sale over the past few months. Everything I find up here is rusty or just plain rough. I don't know if its the area here or the way people take care of bikes. I've looked at dozens over the past year and very few were even worth bringing home for parts. The biggest issue here is rims, if that Robin Hood was closer, it would no doubt be donating a set of rims to my Dunelt, but its just not worth what would be almost a 4 hour ride and a couple tanks of gas for me.
I'm also surprised that its still for sale? I'm starting to think the little bike boom we've seen is over. I've seen dozens of decent bikes locally that are cheap that have been listed for months now. There was a '71 Raleigh Sports listed here for 4 months that looked brand new in a 21" frame with perfect paint for $65, the seller finally parted it out on eBay. If it had Dunlop rims, I'd have bought it for the wheels but I don't have a bike that uses Raleigh pattern wheels and after a recent clean out I helped with here, I'm about out of room.

There are plenty of modern rims that are replicas of any era of bicycle that fit the orginal look. SS originals not so much, but they do appear if you use the replicas whilst you wait. The old frames can take a huge amount of rust - much more than the chrome rims of the same era and much more than the crappy accessories stuck on them in the 1970/80s.. I've bought 1930s bikes that have stood so long in the damp that their rear hubs were touching the ground after the rims/spokes had rusted away and collapsed. They are still going. The only thing is if the bike had a kick stand mounted behind the BB. There can be a structural problem caused by the kickstand clamp crushing the chain stays allowing deep rust to penetrate. However a bit of metal plate discreetly welded on solves that possible problem and remains almost un-sighted.
Obviously a frame builder can fix it no sweat but at a price.

2fat2fly 02-19-21 10:03 PM


Originally Posted by Johno59 (Post 21931326)
There are plenty of modern rims that are replicas of any era of bicycle that fit the orginal look. SS originals not so much, but they do appear if you use the replicas whilst you wait. The old frames can take a huge amount of rust - much more than the chrome rims of the same era and much more than the crappy accessories stuck on them in the 1970/80s.. I've bought 1930s bikes that have stood so long in the damp that their rear hubs were touching the ground after the rims/spokes had rusted away and collapsed. They are still going. The only thing is if the bike had a kick stand mounted behind the BB. There can be a structural problem caused by the kickstand clamp crushing the chain stays allowing deep rust to penetrate. However a bit of metal plate discreetly welded on solves that possible problem and remains almost un-sighted.
Obviously a frame builder can fix it no sweat but at a price.

I didn't realize there were any modern 32/40h steel wheel options in 26x1 3/8"?
I've found a few new old stock Rigida Chromolux rims, and seen some low end Asian rims and wheels but all are 36h.
The Sun Ringle CR18 in alloy is the only option I've seen and for me, those just look out of place on an otherwise all original bike.

adventurepdx 02-20-21 01:25 AM


Originally Posted by 2fat2fly (Post 21932415)
I didn't realize there were any modern 32/40h steel wheel options in 26x1 3/8"?
I've found a few new old stock Rigida Chromolux rims, and seen some low end Asian rims and wheels but all are 36h.
The Sun Ringle CR18 in alloy is the only option I've seen and for me, those just look out of place on an otherwise all original bike.

I've used CR18s on my three speeds, and they look fine to me.
https://live.staticflickr.com/8204/2...c09cecc2_z.jpg

2fat2fly 02-20-21 03:32 AM

CR18's look fine, but they don't look original nor English.
I grew up with Black, All steel English bikes, with black tires.
Frankly, I don't see why they ever made 'gumwall' tires, they don't age well and they're twice as hard to keep clean, especially on a bike with an oily SA rear hub.

I agree with the former post that the later bikes are easier to modify, and I'll go one further in that so are bikes in the lighter colors. The modern parts look less out of place.
I'm still not fully accepting of the aluminum Weinmann brakes on a 1978 Sports I just picked up, nor am I about the light brown color and original gumwall tires. I'd be far happier about that bike if it were still an All Steel model in black with black Raleigh Record tires.

I guess I'm kind of old school and feel it can be any color you wish, so long as its black.

27inch 02-20-21 08:07 AM

I kind of lean toward black as the go to color for English bikes, but I won't turn down a green one either.
I'm not big on the colors of the later bikes. If I want bright colors, I'll buy an old Schwinn.
Black just looks classier to me for some reason.

browngw 02-20-21 12:24 PM

One of my three speeds is colourful, came with alloy rims and I have Panaracer Paselas mounted on it. The drive train is a Brampton 3speed hub and shifter, made in England.It also has Weinmann alloy brakes, Crown alloy rims and Spitfire alloy mudguards. The bike itself is a mostly original late 50's Royal Nord President made in Belgium in small numbers by a company primarily known for motorcycles.

I also have a basic black Raleigh DL1 and a coppery gold Robin Hood Sports. I like them all for what they are!

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cf54ec6b7f.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c0a6d9405e.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0acda9ceb4.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b14762a71e.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6c7425d467.jpg

Brian44t 02-20-21 12:55 PM

Can you point me towards some of those aluminum brake calipers?
 

Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 21932517)
I've used CR18s on my three speeds, and they look fine to me.
https://live.staticflickr.com/8204/2...c09cecc2_z.jpg

I had a set of those about 8 years ago but I sold them with my Raleigh Sprite 5 speed. My current project has the aluminum rims laced on that I bought way back then. Is there a current source for the calipers?

clubman 02-20-21 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by Brian44t (Post 21933099)
I had a set of those about 8 years ago but I sold them with my Raleigh Sprite 5 speed. My current project has the aluminum rims laced on that I bought way back then. Is there a current source for the calipers?

They look like Tektro 900 long reach nutted calipers. Amazon should have them if your lbs doesn't.


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