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Not at all. It is rather stiff.
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Also no new Modell on the approved frames list.
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Have a friend that is selling his size medium, if anyone is looking for an Electron Pro.
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Argon added it's Tokyo bikes to its website: https://www.argon18.com/en/bikes/track
The geometry has been updated a bit, going longer and taller. And Argon claims there is a difference in the Sprint/Pursuit frames, but given the geometry and details, I have a very hard time believing they are really making two different frames. But I do know the forks are different on each. Also interesting, it only accepts Thru-Axle front wheels. I'm not actually familiar with any TA track wheels. |
Phil Hindes has pics and video on his socials of the new Hope bike
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Originally Posted by topflightpro
(Post 21962110)
Argon added it's Tokyo bikes to its website: https://www.argon18.com/en/bikes/track
The geometry has been updated a bit, going longer and taller. And Argon claims there is a difference in the Sprint/Pursuit frames, but given the geometry and details, I have a very hard time believing they are really making two different frames. But I do know the forks are different on each. Also interesting, it only accepts Thru-Axle front wheels. I'm not actually familiar with any TA track wheels. For example, I had both "regular and top" versions of Scott CR-1 and Scott Addict and the -150g on the frame, -100 on the fork came from a cost of a much more flexible chasses. I'm a 90kg sprinter, liked the "regular" version at most, on both models. |
My point wasn't that they couldn't add carbon to increase stiffness. My thought is given the total number of frames they will likely sell and the fact that both the sprint and pursuit versions have the same paint job, I cannot imagine they can justify the cost of managing two production lines. It would be much more reasonable to assume they are building one frame and packaging it with a different fork/handlebar option, depending on the version you want.
I'm reminded of something a friend who used to wait tables at a very high-end restaurant told me - if you ask for coffee with dessert, there's a good chance you're getting decaf whether you asked for it because they need to empty the decaf pots. Also, I found details on compatible front wheels - for the sprint version, you can get a Campy front disk, FSA Tri-Spoke or Corima 4-Spoke through Argon, and for the pursuit version, you can only use the Zipp wheels. |
Originally Posted by topflightpro
(Post 21965354)
My point wasn't that they couldn't add carbon to increase stiffness. My thought is given the total number of frames they will likely sell and the fact that both the sprint and pursuit versions have the same paint job, I cannot imagine they can justify the cost of managing two production lines. It would be much more reasonable to assume they are building one frame and packaging it with a different fork/handlebar option, depending on the version you want.
I'm reminded of something a friend who used to wait tables at a very high-end restaurant told me - if you ask for coffee with dessert, there's a good chance you're getting decaf whether you asked for it because they need to empty the decaf pots. So, maybe they are saving money by not creating separate Endurance and Spring molds for each given size. Maybe they are using the same molds and adding more carbon when the sprint frames are being produced. (I don't know if that's how it would go down. Not familiar with carbon fiber manufacturing.) On a related note, I know for a fact that this is how Mr. Tiemeyer made frames for his clients. He would ask you about you power output (actual or estimated) then choose tubing to match. So, two riders riding the same events with the same body geometry but dramatically different power profiles would get bikes with the same angles and dimensions but the more powerful rider would get thicker tubing. The bikes would look identical from the outside, but the one with thicker tubing would be noticeably heavier...and stiffer under torque. Seth Snyder used the same principle when he made my steel frame. Steel frames are known to be very compliant and can be flexy under huge load. But, Snyder chose tubing that was thicker than his normal tubing and the outcome was a steel frame that had the geometry and stiffness of a LOOK 496 for a fraction of the cost...with a round seat tube and Chris King head tube. It handled like it was on rails. |
Originally Posted by carleton
(Post 21966847)
So, maybe they are saving money by not creating separate Endurance and Spring molds for each given size. Maybe they are using the same molds and adding more carbon when the sprint frames are being produced. (I don't know if that's how it would go down. Not familiar with carbon fiber manufacturing.) |
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ea271d22d5.png
Those S shaped 3D printed risers are something new |
Homemade start gate
I am thinging about making a start gate for start practice. I found this one on youtube Home made starting gate DIY cycling starting gate velodrome - Bing video Any other ideas? https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5cbb907e45.jpg |
There was someone on the track sprinting facebook page ~ year ago that made a pretty slick setup that hooked to their hitch on vehicle
*found it - search for a post by Brent Atkins in the tracksprinting group |
Originally Posted by Morelock
(Post 22153470)
There was someone on the track sprinting facebook page ~ year ago that made a pretty slick setup that hooked to their hitch on vehicle
*found it - search for a post by Brent Atkins in the tracksprinting group |
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And looks like I have found the new frame!
https://worxbikes.com/product/track-wx-r-frameset/ |
Originally Posted by m@tty
(Post 22181132)
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Originally Posted by carleton
(Post 21966847)
But that's exactly what Felt did with the TK1 Endurance and TK1 Sprint (or whatever they were called a few years ago. The Sprint model used a heavier layup.
So, maybe they are saving money by not creating separate Endurance and Spring molds for each given size. Maybe they are using the same molds and adding more carbon when the sprint frames are being produced. (I don't know if that's how it would go down. Not familiar with carbon fiber manufacturing.). |
Originally Posted by m@tty
(Post 22181536)
And looks like I have found the new frame!
https://worxbikes.com/product/track-wx-r-frameset/ |
Originally Posted by taras0000
(Post 22186031)
Dead link, here is the correct one - https://www.wx-r.com/
https://worxbikes.com/track-wx-r/ |
Originally Posted by m@tty
(Post 22186146)
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Yeah, the geometry on the long reach version looks great!
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Originally Posted by m@tty
(Post 22186146)
wow. If I didn't have my frame already this would be the one for me to get. long version. |
Here is the
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https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e21914c6cc.png
Pretty flippin impressive |
Another option for endurance bars
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Looks like Look has a "new" mid-price track frame. https://www.lookcycle.com/be-en/895-vitesse
It seems to be an evolution of the R96, but at a lower price point. |
Mora Verdi appeared to have hoods bolted to a set of Worx bars at the UCI Champions league. Unless these are new bars from Worx.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ac25184f7.jpeg better picture here! https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7a154c0da.jpeg |
New bars from Velo Flyer
Hellyer Track Bar 2 ? VELO FLYER BICYCLES Agro Sprint Bar ? VELO FLYER BICYCLES |
Originally Posted by m@tty
(Post 22322254)
Mora Verdi appeared to have hoods bolted to a set of Worx bars at the UCI Champions league. Unless these are new bars from Worx.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ac25184f7.jpeg https://www.instagram.com/p/CV-HamKM...dium=copy_link better picture here! https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7a154c0da.jpeg |
Originally Posted by theblackbullet
(Post 22400285)
these look very comfortable. I'd really like to try some of these hoods that have been coming out lately.
Some dude is trying to hawk the sketchiest 3d printed ones ever on FB marketplace lately... with a staggering misunderstanding of basic safety. |
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