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BillyD 04-20-20 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 21428065)
Extremely outlier sample size. Like three or four standard derivations.

... deviations.

MoAlpha 04-20-20 05:59 AM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 21428541)
When you ride a simulated course, Rouvy has the grade from the course and you put out however much power you want to (or can), and it makes you move along the course at the rate you would for that power and slope. Shifting gears makes it harder or easier, just like real life. In erg mode, the trainer demands an amount of power (say 200w), and no matter what gear or cadence you use you'll be forced to output 200w. For whatever reason, the same effort feels subjectively harder in erg mode, so by switching from doing structured workouts in erg to riding mostly courses in slope, plus some workouts in slope mode (where the intervals are at, say, 4% grade instead of 250w or whatever), I get more TSS and fitness.

Visuals... visuals are what Netflix is for. I have the workout on my phone so I know what's up while I watch (currently) American Horror Story.

Sorry, I fear I'm being dense as usual: So, you pick a course with long steady ascents and what do you do for rest intervals?

ls01 04-20-20 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 21428082)
This is Addiction. We are all deviants.

Ffa

BillyD 04-20-20 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 21428201)
<==Never cared for the Bulls or Michael Jordan

sbxx1985

<= = neither.

datlas 04-20-20 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 21428460)
Winter weight is 145.

Currently 141 because more riding. I am not a stoner.

Anyone notice what day it is today? :innocent:

BillyD 04-20-20 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 21428554)
Sorry, I fear I'm being dense as usual: ...

Come on in, have a seat, welcome to the club.

BillyD 04-20-20 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 21428564)
Anyone notice what day it is today? :innocent:

The day before the awesome Prince tribute concert.

ls01 04-20-20 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 21428564)
Anyone notice what day it is today? :innocent:

ahhhhhh! Dude!

Heathpack 04-20-20 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 21428130)
I know what you mean, and I've never weighed in fake-vs-real, but lordy, I would take real any day, simply because interval time stands still on the trainer. Just a micro-rest please. Just one..

“real” is definitely easier
“fake” is definitely harder

but fake makes super-pleasing data traces, when you look at it graphically

sometimes I am motivated by how my data is going to look in the software

#whateverittakestogetthrworkdone

mvnsnd 04-20-20 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 21428554)
Sorry, I fear I'm being dense as usual: So, you pick a course with long steady ascents and what do you do for rest intervals?

You just change gears to make pedaling easier. When the resistance changes with terrain contours, you're in slope mode.

I also prefer slope mode. That is the mode that Zwift defaults to unless you are doing a workout. I also find that it is easier to go a little harder up a hill, but also harder to maintain that power if the hill levels off or there is a decline.

MoAlpha 04-20-20 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by mvnsnd (Post 21428589)
You just change gears to make pedaling easier. When the resistance changes with terrain contours, you're in slope mode.

I also prefer slope mode. That is the mode that Zwift defaults to unless you are doing a workout. I also find that it is easier to go a little harder up a hill, but also harder to maintain that power if the hill levels off or there is a decline.

Right, okay. I think I was reading too much into Bah Humbug 's post and thinking there was some feature I was unaware of.

seedsbelize 04-20-20 06:54 AM

Complicated medical question. I've done a little research on the tendon problem and Cipro. My calves are definitely sore, and sorer by the day. Technically I have this evening's dose, and then tomorrow.
Where would lie the most risk? Continuing into achilles tendon territory or pulling up short on the antibiotic?
I'm told Cipro also causes anxiety. This might explain my concerns about how to get my dressing changed every other day if I get the virus. I figure I'm in the clear, more-or-less, once the stitches come out, in another week.
And finally, if I'm already on antibiotics and get a sore throat, is that automatically a virus thing?

Trsnrtr 04-20-20 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 21428201)
<==Never cared for the Bulls or Michael Jordan


Originally Posted by BillyD (Post 21428562)
<= = neither.

May there be a pox on you and yours.

#KingMike

MoAlpha 04-20-20 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by seedsbelize (Post 21428615)
Complicated medical question. I've done a little research on the tendon problem and Cipro. My calves are definitely sore, and sorer by the day. Technically I have this evening's dose, and then tomorrow.
Where would lie the most risk? Continuing into achilles tendon territory or pulling up short on the antibiotic?
I'm told Cipro also causes anxiety. This might explain my concerns about how to get my dressing changed every other day if I get the virus. I figure I'm in the clear, more-or-less, once the stitches come out, in another week.
And finally, if I'm already on antibiotics and get a sore throat, is that automatically a virus thing?

Take it easy on the tendons and finish your ABX like a man.

The link to anxiety is much more tenuous. Don't worry about it. :D

A sore throat is ALWAYS assumed to be viral unless its persistent and horrible and/or someone in the house has strep. We will not discuss gonorrheal pharyngitis because it's gross.

My esteemed colleague datlas may have more to add.

Trsnrtr 04-20-20 07:08 AM

I'm way too old to worry about training. Been there, done, that, got the scars, 10 years worth. It took me another 5 years after quitting racing to mentally come to grips with the urge to flagellate myself on a bike. Fast forward 25 years and I still enjoy cycling. Many of the racers that I competed against have burned out or are so damaged physically, generally from crashing, that they couldn't ride if they wanted.

However, I understand the urge and desire to excel and the discipline required to do one's best, admiration even. I have a friend who is a licensed racer, triathlete, and one of the Zwift All-stars and does probably does 80% of his training on a trainer. It obviously works for him as his results on the road and in competition are very decent.

Trsnrtr 04-20-20 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 21428630)
We will not discuss gonorrheal pharyngitis because it's gross.
.

Please don't. A friend of mine is a dentist in the female prison system and delights in telling me stories of Thrush. :twitchy:

indyfabz 04-20-20 07:20 AM

Time to log on to work so it at least looks like I’m working.

LAJ 04-20-20 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by Heathpack (Post 21428582)
“real” is definitely easier
“fake” is definitely harder

but fake makes super-pleasing data traces, when you look at it graphically

sometimes I am motivated by how my data is going to look in the software

#whateverittakestogetthrworkdone

This. Absolutely this.

"Why didn't you go outside?"

It was windy..... But don't you like my pretty picture?

datlas 04-20-20 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 21428630)
Take it easy on the tendons and finish your ABX like a man.

The link to anxiety is much more tenuous. Don't worry about it. :D

A sore throat is ALWAYS assumed to be viral unless its persistent and horrible and/or someone in the house has strep. We will not discuss gonorrheal pharyngitis because it's gross.

My esteemed colleague datlas may have more to add.

Agree. I don't think the cipro was a good choice but arm-chair medicine is a fool's errand.

Velo Vol 04-20-20 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by BillyD (Post 21428562)
<= = neither.

Much like the Patriots of recent seasons, I just grew tired of them winning.

Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 21428662)
Time to log on to work so it at least looks like I’m working.

Keep up the good work.

datlas 04-20-20 08:01 AM

Warning: Editorial....it's possibly P&R but so local I think it's acceptable....

Regarding the COVID19 issue, between me and an INDIVIDUAL patient who is sick, the need for testing is questionable. The current tests take a couple days to schedule and then 3 days for results, so by the time the results are back the patient is better and it almost does not matter.

HOWEVER, when we look at our POPULATION the need to ramp up testing is very important. We need to be able to test to screen asymptomatic carriers. This should be set up by the public health departments. My local (Chester County, PA) health department has been effing useless in this regard. They are not testing ANYONE. They tell us to have our patients tested at the local hospital. The local hospital has very limited resources and are focusing on testing sick patients in the emergency department or in the hospital primarily, and secondarily testing possible incoming patients for surgery etc.

So unless the PUBLIC HEALTH system steps up and creates a scalable drive-up or walk-in testing option, I am very pessimistic about the situation. And terribly disappointed in my state and local health departments.

Sad!

Trsnrtr 04-20-20 08:01 AM

Off to Aldis for this weeks groceries. If you don’t hear from me again, it’s been grand.

Trsnrtr 04-20-20 08:08 AM

[MENTION=107711]datlas[/MENTION] I’m scared of all of the push-back that is coming from the population in general and signs of defiance are everywhere. We only just got a testing center end of last week and you’ll only be tested if you exhibit symptoms. Personally, I feel like the whole health situation has been a failure at all levels and my governor has done a Hell of a job, in my opinion, but I can’t imagine the anguish that he has gone through trying to get testing, supplies, etc.

MoAlpha 04-20-20 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by Trsnrtr (Post 21428641)
I'm way too old to worry about training. Been there, done, that, got the scars, 10 years worth. It took me another 5 years after quitting racing to mentally come to grips with the urge to flagellate myself on a bike. Fast forward 25 years and I still enjoy cycling. Many of the racers that I competed against have burned out or are so damaged physically, generally from crashing, that they couldn't ride if they wanted.

However, I understand the urge and desire to excel and the discipline required to do one's best, admiration even. I have a friend who is a licensed racer, triathlete, and one of the Zwift All-stars and does probably does 80% of his training on a trainer. It obviously works for him as his results on the road and in competition are very decent.

You have earned your peace.

I and many of the old-enough-to-know better athletes in my acquaintance have obsessive-compulsive/addictive personalities and need to ratchet up the training (pain) to get the same dose of anxiety reduction. We are also competitive perfectionists (jerks) and need to be faster than someone.

abshipp 04-20-20 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by seedsbelize (Post 21427675)
Motos, Peugeots,... One of the very first pieces of advice I received over in C&V was to stay far away from French bikes. Threadings and sizes I suppose were the reasons. Nice bikes that I've never tried. I went Japanese and American instead.
Nice bike
My size

The only really weird thing on this bike is the French thread BB. It unthreaded on me once out on a ride but I was able to limp home. Cleaned it up, applied thread locker, and really torqued it down and its been fine for the last ~200 miles.

Thankfully it takes a standard size quill stem.

I do suppose that the derailleur hanger is a bit weird, it's got Huret dropouts with the notch at the 4 o'clock position so you can only use certain Huret derailleurs, but I've got a full set of Huret Jubile shift gear if I ever want to go with multiple gears.


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