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Baby Puke 04-17-20 08:14 PM

Neither are ideal, in my opinion. The BMC seems like a converted road TT frame and has a pretty low bottom bracket, and feedback I've heard on the Cervelo is that it's one of the least stiff carbon track frames on the market. It's designed as a pursuit bike. On my the other hand, either will work fine for a non-world class rider.

carleton 04-17-20 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by itturriko (Post 21424388)
Finally Iíll buy the frame next week, but Iím still in doubt and still donít know 100% which one is better.

For sprint, team sprint and kilo which one would be your pick?
T4 or BMC trackmachine 01?

BMC is a really nice bike but there is no feedback. Kung used it for individual and team pursuit but there are no more pro riders using it

thanks!

I got $10 that says that OP ignores everything we've written and he buys the "coolest" looking pursuit bike they can afford.








...and sells it within a year (doesn't matter if he sticks with the sport or not, same result).

itturriko 04-18-20 04:55 AM


Originally Posted by carleton (Post 21424549)
I got $10 that says that OP ignores everything we've written and he buys the "coolest" looking pursuit bike they can afford.








...and sells it within a year (doesn't matter if he sticks with the sport or not, same result).

Thatís not true, Iím no searching the coolest bike. I earned a non expected money and Iím trying to do a good purchase.

1.- Dolan, Felt and Fuji are difficult to find here and now with the Covid is almost impossible. I tried at least in 15 stores.

2.- Steel frames and Dixie Flyers commented here are not available in Europe

I have the trackmachine 02 because it was the only option 2 years ago, I tried with other brands and it was impossible.

T4 and TR01 are the only frames I found ready to ship to spain for less than 3000$ (R96, Argon, Pinarello, Koga... are too expensive)

I made a research and I found the following info and I think both are enough good for me:

T4:
Lasse Norman Hansen 1.03 London 2012 Kilo
Jonny Wale (HUUB Wattbike) 1.00 Kilo
Switzerland 3,5x TP
https://www.velonews.com/gear/road-g...t4-track-bike/

TR01:
Stefan Kung 4.14 IP
Switzerland TP 3.56.x
Gael Suter 12.8 Flying lap
Rohan Dennis Hour Record
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/review...c-track-tr01-2

I asked to some people in my local velodrome and they all are agree that both are better than the DF4(said by an OG medalist)

So after 2 weeks I thank you all your opinions and messages, I really appreciate them.
I tried to follow your advises but it was no always possible. In terms of sport, here we donít have the same variety of products as in the USA or France/Belgium/Netherlands because there is no many amateur sport.
I sent no less than 30-40 emails to different stores searching here mentioned frames.
So I think that statement is not fair and I was asking a last opinion about those two frames.

thank you all

2500W 04-18-20 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by itturriko (Post 21424756)
...


T4 and TR01 are the only frames I found ready to ship to spain for less than 3000$ (R96, Argon, Pinarello, Koga... are too expensive)


I made a research and I found the following info and I think both are enough good for me:


...

You could get TR01 plus Ribble Eliminator AL as an unexpected substitute of T4 for under 500 Euro, international shipping included.


Eliminator appears as a twin of T4 at least in terms of geometry (Argon 18 Pro has very close geometry, too). It has HT and ST that are a few centimetres longer. Just compare the relevant sizes at Bikegeo.net. Thus only the stiffness of the aluminium would remain unknown before testing.

Baby Puke 04-18-20 07:07 AM

I guess you've decided against the Dolan anyhow (totally happy with mine), but I find it hard to understand why Dolan wouldn't ship to you.

itturriko 04-18-20 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by Baby Puke (Post 21424888)
I guess you've decided against the Dolan anyhow (totally happy with mine), but I find it hard to understand why Dolan wouldn't ship to you.

Some sizes are not available on the Dolan Web and the only size I found available for me in Spain is only 190$ cheaper than the BMC.

Baby Puke 04-18-20 06:14 PM

Well if those are the only choices, I'd go with the Cervelo. At least it's a track bike, the BMC looks to be a converted road bike. In over 10 years of racing in two countries I've never seen one in person. Cervelos are pretty well represented.

pierrej 04-18-20 11:17 PM


Originally Posted by Baby Puke (Post 21426151)
Well if those are the only choices, I'd go with the Cervelo. At least it's a track bike, the BMC looks to be a converted road bike. In over 10 years of racing in two countries I've never seen one in person. Cervelos are pretty well represented.

Apart from it's limitations in rear disc compatibility it's a very good frame, maybe not as stiff as the dolan but miles better than the BMC (which only people sponsored by by BMC ever really used)

Again OP should really just stick with his current frame until he can really describe proper and actual deficiencies, people have gone far faster on significantly less stiff bikes and it's definitely not holding back any beginners. Even bikes like this went sub 10 in the 200m time trial

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...508dab99cc.jpg

brawlo 04-21-20 06:51 AM

Duratec is a Czech frame maker that may suit. Mine is custom and a rather large 63cm top tube. It’s a whole lot stiffer than the carbon frame that it replaced. Hydro formed tubes allow them to produce a really stiff frame and the bike handles like a dream on the boards

2500W 04-21-20 12:10 PM

Argon 18 Electron C Frameset; 2000 GB Pounds; Stack/Reach (M): 515/418mm; weight (M): 2175g; max tyre clearance: 22mm.

carleton 04-21-20 12:19 PM

A properly fitting, adequately stiff steel bike with:
  • Modern bars
  • Quality cranks
  • Quality pedals
  • "808"-style wheels or disc + "808"

Would be "fast enough" to take any rider right up to the Elite National ranks. Seriously.

Aerodynamic qualities of frames are the lowest bang-for-the-buck on the $/gains scale in cycling. Fit is most important.

What does a modern, fast, steel frame look like?


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5fb99ba4d0.png

I was just as fast on that as I was on this:
(LOOK 496 with Mavic Io/Comete)

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d7597b829e.jpg

Or this:
(Felt TK FRD)

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a3bc757378.jpg

Don't get me wrong, frames can be sexy has hell and great to admire...but it's the size, geometry, and stiffness (relative to you) that matters...assuming that there aren't any malfunctions like slipping aero seatposts or tilting seat binders.

This is why people are saying that a steel or aluminum frame that fits is the best way to go. Carbon fancy frames are a luxry, not a requirement to go fast.


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