Originally Posted by noimagination
(Post 21408697)
Not to mention that it has a hood, which would act like a parachute brake while riding.
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Originally Posted by Steve B.
(Post 21408770)
That might be the case if there was no head on your shoulders, but I’ve never found a hood catches the wind. Maybe if I was racing and had the bar slammed.
Maybe you can talk to him. |
Originally Posted by Gconan
(Post 21398436)
They are running out of sizes on the awesome jacket.
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Yes thank you mjac! 87.78$.The HH website said for me to go with an extra large but were out but Amazon has them. North sea blue.
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[QUOTE=Gconan;21408934]Yes thank you mjac! 87.78$.The HH website said for me to go with an extra large but were out but Amazon has them. North sea blue.[/
Way to go, you got a hell of a deal. You can thank Oso Polar. Now, I hope I did not over sell the jacket. It's a great jacket though. A little hot for high activity in the summer but can be used in a rain storm and it will get you through any winter condition. I hope it works out. |
I had fantasized about this very thing. I did not even know you could get all three (rain, wind and breathable) in the same package. Last summer I went for a long ride when it was 85-90 degrees when a brutal thunderstorm appeared. I found myself shivering in the woods for protection. I could have really used this then. Last winter I had thought I dressed appropriately but the wind picked up and was brutal. This awesome jacket will occupy my front or saddle bag forever. Thank you again for the recommendation! And thank you Oslo Polar for the Amazon link!
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You're working pretty hard to sell me this jacket. I already have a rain jacket. I wear it when it rains. It works good.
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Originally Posted by Gconan
(Post 21409648)
I had fantasized about this very thing. I did not even know you could get all three (rain, wind and breathable) in the same package. Last summer I went for a long ride when it was 85-90 degrees when a brutal thunderstorm appeared. I found myself shivering in the woods for protection. I could have really used this then. Last winter I had thought I dressed appropriately but the wind picked up and was brutal. This awesome jacket will occupy my front or saddle bag forever. Thank you again for the recommendation! And thank you Oslo Polar for the Amazon link!
I went to Amazon to see what the heck North Sea Blue looked like and the funniest thing, in the same color, the medium and the large were $300. The XL that you bought was $87. Go figure. Not too long ago this jacket was sold at Helly Hansen for $400. Think you might have gotten a good deal? I brought the jacket up, but Oso Polar made the deal practical. I |
Originally Posted by Ferrouscious
(Post 21409765)
You're working pretty hard to sell me this jacket. I already have a rain jacket. I wear it when it rains. It works good.
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I like your idea of severe weather gear. It's cute.
Seriously, though. HH is like NorthFace. They do make some Professional level equipment, but most of their 'civilian' line, while it's nice stuff, you're just paying for the label. |
Not credible
Originally Posted by TiHabanero
(Post 21398108)
Extreme waterproof and extreme breathability? Miracles do exist!
Originally Posted by mjac
(Post 21398175)
Lab verified.
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Originally Posted by Ironfish653
(Post 21410023)
I like your idea of severe weather gear. It's cute.
Seriously, though. HH is like NorthFace. They do make some Professional level equipment, but most of their 'civilian' line, while it's nice stuff, you're just paying for the label. You may be right about their civilian,casuel line. This is not part of their civilian, casuel line. This is the beginning or entry level into their professional grade line which has quite a reputation world wide for over 123 years. And to think you can get a jacket at this level for $60 - $87 in certain sizes and colors because of some crazy end of season sale and have to listen to snarky comments from the fella whose post you liked, is asinine. |
Originally Posted by BCDrums
(Post 21410073)
Your joke is lost on the OP.
Right. Water/windproof is the opposite of breathable. Pick one or the other, and move along. |
I did a little more digging on this particular jacket, both in its specs and overall reviews. I couldn't find any on this jacket from outlets that I would usually trust. Powder magazine praised it here generically, which doesn't mean anything. On Helly Hansen's website, they mention "15,000gm moisture vapor permeability", which without seeing their breathability testing setup, can only be compared to other products in their own lineup. I am slightly skeptical about the membrane HH chose to use as they brought no attention to it. For kicks and giggles, I looked up some breathability ratings and found a nice write-up on evo.com. For high intensity activities, they recommend jackets in the 20,000g plus range.
In addition, the "52 reviews at Helly Hansen by serious outdoor people" (mjac post 19) seem more like average joes who happen to like the jacket. To play devil's advocate, the jacket features 3 layer construction (it better for $300!), fully taped seams (another expected item for the price), and is (hopefully) decently breathable. It seems like a nice jacket, but this is a cycling specific forum. Some of the most highly praised shell jackets come from Showers Pass as they feature cycling specific cuts and are exceedingly water resistant and breathable. |
Originally Posted by mjac
(Post 21410088)
I could give a damn what you think is cute. If you do not think the Vanir Slidr Jacket is severe weather gear then you are showing your intelligence like the guy whose post you liked. It is their triple layer professional grade fabric with polyamide in exposure areas. It is lab rated at 20,000 grams/meter squared windproof, 15,000 grams/meter squared moisture vapor permeability and 20,000mm waterproof in the column test. On top of that the exterior is extremely durable making it practical for climbing. Severe weather gear enough for you? Want more information? Cute?
You may be right about their civilian,casuel line. This is not part of their civilian, casuel line. This is the beginning or entry level into their professional grade line which has quite a reputation world wide for over 123 years. And to think you can get a jacket at this level for $60 - $87 in certain sizes and colors because of some crazy end of season sale and have to listen to snarky comments from the fella whose post you liked, is asinine. Yes, cute. Especially if i have to spend a 13-hour watch on a boat deck 200 miles from shore in October, when it's 40* with a 28-kt wind. My Bulwark jacket doesn't have a name, it has a Rating. And you don't get to pick the color. |
Originally Posted by mjac
(Post 21410122)
This particular jacket is rated 20,000 grams/meter squared...15,000 grams/meter squared moisture vapor permeability ... 20,000mm waterproof in the column test.
I am talking experience. A waterproof garment is windproof and does not breath. A breathable garment is not waterproof. A breathable garment trades off between breathability and windproofness. This is common sense. |
Originally Posted by BCDrums
(Post 21410160)
I wonder who paid the "lab" for these positive test results. Could it be...Helly Hanson? What could they possibly have to gain?
I am talking experience. A waterproof garment is windproof and does not breath. A breathable garment is not waterproof. A breathable garment trades off between breathability and windproofness. This is common sense. |
Originally Posted by Ferrouscious
(Post 21410147)
I did a little more digging on this particular jacket, both in its specs and overall reviews. I couldn't find any on this jacket from outlets that I would usually trust. Powder magazine praised it here generically, which doesn't mean anything. On Helly Hansen's website, they mention "15,000gm moisture vapor permeability", which without seeing their breathability testing setup, can only be compared to other products in their own lineup. I am slightly skeptical about the membrane HH chose to use as they brought no attention to it. For kicks and giggles, I looked up some breathability ratings and found a nice write-up on evo.com. For high intensity activities, they recommend jackets in the 20,000g plus range.
In addition, the "52 reviews at Helly Hansen by serious outdoor people" (mjac post 19) seem more like average joes who happen to like the jacket. To play devil's advocate, the jacket features 3 layer construction (it better for $300!), fully taped seams (another expected item for the price), and is (hopefully) decently breathable. It seems like a nice jacket, but this is a cycling specific forum. Some of the most highly praised shell jackets come from Showers Pass as they feature cycling specific cuts and are exceedingly water resistant and breathable. Now down to business. You have actually verified all of the claims I have made about this jacket by after doing rather extensive research not being able to refute a single one. As some of your research led you to the evo.com article that was pretty good which recommended 20,000 grams/meter squared rating for high level activity, that is attainable in light weight shells within reasonable price ranges but not very attainable in a three layer professional grade winter jacket at an approachable price. Show me another jacket in this price range that has 15,000 grams/meter squared vapor,moisture permeability. That is exceptional breath ability for a jacket with this high of a waterproof rating and windproof rating not to mention in this price range ven at its regular price of $300. You add all that up and realize this man Gconan was able to purchase this jacket off of Amazon at an end of season sale for $87 with probably no taxes, free shipping and Rene returns there is not a negative thing you can say despite your best efforts because you hate to see something positive happen. I believe you did some selective reading of the reviews at Helly Hansen. They included reviews from Alpinests and Expeditionists from around the world who were verified purchasers. Again, a refusal on your part to acknowledge anything positive. There may be som excellent cycling specific apparel at Showers Pass. Show me a jacket that has these windproof, waterproof and moisture,vapor permeability ratings for $60 - $87 that this sale provides in the Vanir Slidr Jacket. Which is the point of this whole thread which you have apparently missed. |
Originally Posted by Ironfish653
(Post 21410152)
Yes, cute. Especially if i have to spend a 13-hour watch on a boat deck 200 miles from shore in October, when it's 40* with a 28-kt wind.
My Bulwark jacket doesn't have a name, it has a Rating. And you don't get to pick the color. |
Originally Posted by BCDrums
(Post 21410160)
I wonder who paid the "lab" for these positive test results. Could it be...Helly Hanson? What could they possibly have to gain?
I am talking experience. A waterproof garment is windproof and does not breath. A breathable garment is not waterproof. A breathable garment trades off between breathability and windproofness. This is common sense. You are misinformed and uneducated. It is widely accepted throughout the textile, outdoors and testing protocol industries that a 15,000mm waterproof rating in the column test is virtually waterproof in naturally occurring environments. The Vanir Slidr Jacket is rated at 20,000mm waterproofing in the column test. Now is that technically as waterproof as a 3/4" plate of glass? No of course not. But for all practical purposes it is waterproof under any conditions a human being will encounter in the natural environment. Which is all that matters. So they achieve this level of acceptable waterproof while still maintaining the highest level of water vapor permeability that they can. Which in the case of the Vanir Slidr is 15,000 grams/meter squared which is an exceptionally high number for a jacket with this level of waterproof and windproof rating. Add to this you can get this jacket on an end of season sale on Amazon for $60 - $87 in certain sizes and colors. |
Originally Posted by mjac
(Post 21410943)
If you can refute Helly Hansen's numbers in their ratings,refute them... misinformed and uneducated ... widely accepted ... textile, outdoors and testing protocol industries ... 15,000mm waterproof rating ... virtually waterproof ... naturally occurring environments...
The Vanir Slidr Jacket ... 20,000mm waterproofing... 15,000 grams/meter squared ... exceptionally high number... end of season sale ... $60 - $87 in certain sizes... and none ofyour little gang has a single positive thing to say, says a lot about you. |
Originally Posted by BCDrums
(Post 21411009)
Blah, blah, blah.
It's great that you like it so much. :lol: Did you have toys when you were growing up? |
Originally Posted by Gconan
(Post 21409648)
I had fantasized about this very thing. I did not even know you could get all three (rain, wind and breathable) in the same package. Last summer I went for a long ride when it was 85-90 degrees when a brutal thunderstorm appeared. I found myself shivering in the woods for protection. I could have really used this then. Last winter I had thought I dressed appropriately but the wind picked up and was brutal. This awesome jacket will occupy my front or saddle bag forever. Thank you again for the recommendation! And thank you Oslo Polar for the Amazon link!
All of this is BS, even my virtuous informing, though it is somewhat helpful for initial impressions. The only thing that matters is when you put your hands on the jacket and you put it through your own personal test, how it measures up. The only thing I regret is that the element on BF that finds it necessary to find something negative about every single thing that is presented on BF, for whatever reason, would prevent someone like Gconan from even giving the jacket a try. But Gconan pulled the trigger on the jacket despite this negative attitude and I have great respect for that. There were five different people on this "thread" alone that denied the existence of a functionally waterproof and breathable garment here in the 21st century and Gconan saw his way through that group think and thought for himself.That alone was worth putting up with the uninformed, uneducated sarcasm. |
Again, thank you mjac for the recommendation! To have this on hand when the weather turns unexpectedly for the worse is something that I have greatly needed in the past and come this Sunday I will have in my front bag or saddle pack. I simply could not afford a $300 one but $87-150 was just to good of an opportunity to pass up for quality clothing like this.
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Originally Posted by Gconan
(Post 21411407)
Again, thank you mjac for the recommendation! To have this on hand when the weather turns unexpectedly for the worse is something that I have greatly needed in the past and come this Sunday I will have in my front bag or saddle pack. I simply could not afford a $300 one but $87-150 was just to good of an opportunity to pass up for quality clothing like this.
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