Bike build, what frame?
Earlier this year I completed a drop bar 1x conversion my Cannondale Quick 4 'hybrid' and it's made for quite a nice gravel bike for my morning rides on road/gravel/trail here in southern NH. Having just completed a 150 bike packing trip on it over the border in VT, with ~15,000' of climbing and descending, and worn through both front and rear V brake pads due to all the dirt and grime, and thinking about options to add at least a front disc, I realized that my rims are also nearing the end of their lives.
This leaves me with three options: 1. Replace my QR, rim brake rims and carry on 2. Go for a brake 'mullet', with a new fork, and new rims 3. New bike I'm leaning toward option 3, knowing I've already got the drivetrain, bars, stem, and saddle, so I need frame, fork, wheels and brakes, and maybe BB depending on frame. So with that said any recommendations for a gravel frameset and fork, sub $1000, 45 - 50mm tire clearance on a 700c, lots of bosses and mounting points, that will be good for 30 - 40 mile morning rides and not feel too out of place fully loaded on a multi-day bike packing trip? A few options I'm considering: Kona Sutra ULTD - might be a bit too MTB for what I want, but the Sutra LTD isn't available as a frameset anymore State Bicycles 6061 All Road - only has clearance for 45mm 700c, but can clear 2.1" 650b, so maybe two wheelsets and use the squidgy, grippy 650b for bike packing Nordest Albarda/Super Albarda - well reviewed, available with either steel or carbon fork Anybody have any experience with any of these, or recommendations based on what you've built/ridden? Thanks in advance. |
https://allcitycycles.com/bikes/gorilla_monsoon_grx This is also sold as frame and fork for $950. Clearance for 700X42 but you could go wider with 650b. Whatever you get, look for current standards- flat mounts and thru axle 12X100 and 12X142.
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Soma Double Cross is another option. Steel, disc, frame with a matching with a fork is about $700. I like the build quality of my Soma Smoothie.
https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/pro...6?category=990 |
If you're generally a 51/52cm, the BlackMtnCycles MonsterCross disc is available in the 47cm.
Frame reach is like a 51/52cm with a decent stack height. Those build up to around 22/23lb with mid-level components. Quite a few build examples and discussion at The Paceline Forum. |
Originally Posted by tangerineowl
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If you're generally a 51/52cm, the BlackMtnCycles MonsterCross disc is available in the 47cm.
Frame reach is like a 51/52cm with a decent stack height. Those build up to around 22/23lb with mid-level components. Quite a few build examples and discussion at The Paceline Forum. |
The AllCity is a decent option and the Jamis steel Renegade if you can get a frame these days. For a full bike you can get a low-end Salsa Journeyman/Journeyer with 9-speed Sora for ~$1,000 and they will be available from Salsa in August (aluminum frame).
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chiefsilverback So if you’re sub $1k for frameset, what’s the +$ you’re budgeting for disc wheels and tires? Are you going for an all-in in the $1,500 range? If so, there are definitely complete bike options which probably make more sense.
For example the Breezer Radar Expert checks all the boxes— big 29x2.1 tire capacity, full packing mounts— and expands your gear range to 2x9, for $1.3k. Alternately, the Breezer Doppler Pro also checks all those same boxes, but ups the ante to $1.5k by adding 650b wheels, wide range 2x10 gearing, and more road touring type geometry (compared to the Radar’s adventure geo). If by chance you’re 10spd on the Quick, you could port over your drop bars and brifters to the $949 flat bar Breezer Radar Cafe. It’s a 1x10, so maybe only makes sense to the extent you can save the full $350 compared to Radar Expert (whose 2x9 drivetrain seems better suited to mixed road/bikepacking duty). I’m a big Breezer fan; Joe Breeze knows how to design bikes that handle great and the spec works perfectly with the design. I have two of them myself, each favorites in my stable. Adrenaline in Orange county has ‘em: https://www.adrenalinebikes.com/stor...ategoryID=5924 |
Originally Posted by tangerineowl
(Post 22164672)
If you're generally a 51/52cm, the BlackMtnCycles MonsterCross disc is available in the 47cm.
Frame reach is like a 51/52cm with a decent stack height. Those build up to around 22/23lb with mid-level components. Quite a few build examples and discussion at The Paceline Forum. |
Originally Posted by chaadster
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chiefsilverback So if you’re sub $1k for frameset, what’s the +$ you’re budgeting for disc wheels and tires? Are you going for an all-in in the $1,500 range? If so, there are definitely complete bike options which probably make more sense.
For example the Breezer Radar Expert checks all the boxes— big 29x2.1 tire capacity, full packing mounts— and expands your gear range to 2x9, for $1.3k. Alternately, the Breezer Doppler Pro also checks all those same boxes, but ups the ante to $1.5k by adding 650b wheels, wide range 2x10 gearing, and more road touring type geometry (compared to the Radar’s adventure geo). If by chance you’re 10spd on the Quick, you could port over your drop bars and brifters to the $949 flat bar Breezer Radar Cafe. It’s a 1x10, so maybe only makes sense to the extent you can save the full $350 compared to Radar Expert (whose 2x9 drivetrain seems better suited to mixed road/bikepacking duty). I’m a big Breezer fan; Joe Breeze knows how to design bikes that handle great and the spec works perfectly with the design. I have two of them myself, each favorites in my stable. Adrenaline in Orange county has ‘em: https://www.adrenalinebikes.com/stor...ategoryID=5924 interestingly enough I will probably be selling my Radar Pro frame and crankset(700c wtb wheels too, with rotors) |
Originally Posted by chaadster
(Post 22165161)
chiefsilverback So if you’re sub $1k for frameset, what’s the +$ you’re budgeting for disc wheels and tires?
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chiefsilverback,
What frame size do you generally fit? |
Originally Posted by chiefsilverback
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I put some WTB Byways on my bike when I converted, and I’m thinking maybe a set of Hunts for wheels, with TRP Spyre brakes.
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Originally Posted by tangerineowl
(Post 22164672)
If
Those build up to around 22/23lb with mid-level components. |
Originally Posted by tangerineowl
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chiefsilverback,
What frame size do you generally fit? |
Originally Posted by chaadster
(Post 22165161)
expands your gear range to 2x9
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Originally Posted by dwmckee
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For a full bike you can get a low-end Salsa Journeyman/Journeyer with 9-speed Sora for ~$1,000
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Originally Posted by Steve B.
(Post 22166665)
I'd doubt you'd be able to get it that light. My Smoothie road, with 19mm wide road rims and 28mm tires weighs 22.5 lbs. A gravel bike with a 25mm wide rim and 40+mm tires is likely to be 25 lbs at it's lightest. Steel can be made to be light, a gravel version won't be.
I could very much see a 52cm size with some decent but not expensive wheels weighing 23#. |
Originally Posted by chiefsilverback
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I made a conscious decision to go 1 x 10. I run Microsoft Advent X with the 11 - 48 cassette and then I have two chain rings. 99% of the time I use a 42T, but when I'm going bikepacking I swap it to a 34T.
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Originally Posted by chiefsilverback
(Post 22166791)
I made a conscious decision to go 1 x 10. I run Microsoft Advent X with the 11 - 48 cassette and then I have two chain rings. 99% of the time I use a 42T, but when I'm going bikepacking I swap it to a 34T.
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Originally Posted by Steve B.
(Post 22166665)
I'd doubt you'd be able to get it that light. My Smoothie road, with 19mm wide road rims and 28mm tires weighs 22.5 lbs. A gravel bike with a 25mm wide rim and 40+mm tires is likely to be 25 lbs at it's lightest. Steel can be made to be light, a gravel version won't be.
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FWIW my 55cm Ritchey Swiss Cross Disc V1 weighs in at 19lb 10z with 38mm tires and tubes (and pedals). A friend's V2 came in at 20 lbs 8 oz.
Also, a +1 on Breezer; I've had one since 93 and the smoothness is real. |
Originally Posted by Badger6
(Post 22167184)
Care to further elaborate on how it get's so heavy? Because my primary gravel rig has a wheel/tire combo very similar to that and it is 9kg dry, including pedals and cages. The original wheelset (22mm wide), with the same tires, weighed 1.2kg more. Granted it has a carbon frame, but even if it was made of steel, I can't see adding on 5+ more pounds to the current build. Or is this frame a boat anchor? What am I missing?
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Originally Posted by chaadster
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it makes more sense for you to change out the ring in anticipation of need than to shift a derailleur at the time of need? Ok.
I have to put rack/bags etc... when I'm getting ready for a bike packing trip so it isn't that much hassle to swap the chainring, grease the bearings etc... |
The Jamis Renegade S1 frameset should also be on your list if you want steel. Very compliant frame and fork without being too flexy, 50c tire clearance, good geometry (for me), mount points everywhere, and practical things like external cables, and a threaded T47 BB for ease of maintenance from hard miles.
The Brother Mehteh is another really solid looking option that may have better availability too, despite being UK based. |
Originally Posted by chiefsilverback
(Post 22168228)
For a couple of bikepacking trips each year I need the 34T, for all my other riding I use the 42T, I know this because I spent quite a lot of time analyzing what gears I was using for all of my normal riding when the bike was still 3x9, comparing gear ratios for different cassette/chainring combos and landed on what I now have.
I have to put rack/bags etc... when I'm getting ready for a bike packing trip so it isn't that much hassle to swap the chainring, grease the bearings etc... |
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