If A Schleck lose the Tour
It happend on Stage 3.
Losing Frank, may turn out to be the pivotal event of the race. While Saxo is very strong, Andy doesn't have any help in the highest mountains. If Frank was there yesterday, it would likely have been enough help to close the last 13 seconds before the top, or at least limit the time loss on the run in, with one more rider pulling. (If the situation were reversed, Vino was in proximity for Contador, Schleck had no one.) Also A. Schleck has shown the ability to push Contador, but not quite open a gap. He's got to do it in the next 2 stages. With the 1-2 Andy/ Frank tag team it would have been a lot more likely that together they put some time inot him. |
The gentlemanly thing to do would have been for the peloton to wait until Frank had healed.
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Y'know, in theory I agree with you here. But in practice.... :D
It looks to me that both Contador and Schleck are just about evenly matched in the mountains -- regardless of their team support. For example, last year Andy and Frank were tearing up the mountains, while Contador had minimal support -- to the point where people thought he should've towed Klöden (!) instead of score GC time. And yet, Andy was behind by nearly 2' and did not claw back significant time in the mountains. This year Andy has minimal support while Astana has several strong climbers and one maniac ;) and yet neither can shake the other. Plus, the big gap between them is TT skills. Last year, Andy lost 1' 45" in a 40km TT. I'm not entirely convinced that Andy would put a 2' gap on Contador with Frank's help. |
Originally Posted by dsh
(Post 11144040)
the gentlemanly thing to do would have been for the peloton to wait until frank had healed.
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Originally Posted by Bacciagalupe
(Post 11144084)
Plus, the big gap between them is TT skills. Last year, Andy lost 1' 45" in a 40km TT. I'm not entirely convinced that Andy would put a 2' gap on Contador with Frank's help.
One major difference with the 2 Schlecks, as oppossed to other support riders is that Frank had a decent chance to be highly enough placed that Contador could't let him go. So it wouldn't be just that Frank could provide support, but he could also help wear down Contador. All this obviously is hypothetical, and it would be a different race with Frank still there making all this unanswerable specualtion, but I think losing Frank was a bigger blow than some people are considering. |
Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
(Post 11144355)
It's probable though that he wouldn't have lost 40 seconds yesterday. And I would like Andy's chances of chipping away 20 seconds or so here and there, better if he had Frank available to attack.
One major difference with the 2 Schlecks, as oppossed to other support riders is that Frank had a decent chance to be highly enough placed that Contador could't let him go. So it wouldn't be just that Frank could provide support, but he could also help wear down Contador. All this obviously is hypothetical, and it would be a different race with Frank still there making all this unanswerable specualtion, but I think losing Frank was a bigger blow than some people are considering. |
Andy Schleckstrong, the new hero of fanboys that have lost their leader Liveshack this year and need someone to stand up to the evil Bert and "be like Mike".
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Hating on Andy Schleck; the new pastime of haters who are losing their favorite sniping target as Lance Armstrong rides into retirement and need a benchmark to show who are the "true fans".
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Originally Posted by dsh
(Post 11145011)
Hating on Andy Schleck; the new pastime of haters who are losing their favorite sniping target as Lance Armstrong rides into retirement and need a benchmark to show who are the "true fans".
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Originally Posted by dsh
(Post 11145011)
Hating on Andy Schleck; the new pastime of haters who are losing their favorite sniping target as Lance Armstrong rides into retirement and need a benchmark to show who are the "true fans".
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Originally Posted by Laggard
(Post 11145084)
See a ton of AC hate from people pissed that Lance is no longer winning.
Two days ago I was enthralled by both Contador and Schleck for their honorable battling against each other through the pyrenees. Today, I have less respect for Contador. Lance doesn't enter into it, except in the mind of the Lance haters. |
There was no battle. Schleck needed to ride away for Contador and he can't do it. Storied tour? How many have you actually watched? Heavens.
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Originally Posted by daytonian
(Post 11144943)
Andy Schleckstrong, the new hero of fanboys that have lost their leader Liveshack this year and need someone to stand up to the evil Bert and "be like Mike".
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What I hate is the cheapening of the tour into an advertising platform for Livestrong. I really hate the fricking chalkbot. It used to be that only people attending the tour could write the names of their heroes on the pavement. Now anonymous people from all over the world are writing messages on the road that are completely unrelated to the race itself or the racers. The sad thing is that the cameras pan over these messages so quickly that you can't even read them. What a complete waste!
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
(Post 11145265)
There was no battle. Schleck needed to ride away for Contador and he can't do it. Storied tour? How many have you actually watched? Heavens.
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Originally Posted by idoru2005
(Post 11145298)
What I hate is the cheapening of the tour into an advertising platform for Livestrong. I really hate the fricking chalkbot. It used to be that only people attending the tour could write the names of their heroes on the pavement. Now anonymous people from all over the world are writing messages on the road that are completely unrelated to the race itself or the racers. The sad thing is that the cameras pan over these messages so quickly that you can't even read them. What a complete waste!
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Originally Posted by dsh
(Post 11145145)
You don't think some of that "hate" might be from people who witnessed a cheapening of one of the most storied races in history by a rider who was more concerned with capitalizing on his opponents misfortune than honoring the traditions of the sport?
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Originally Posted by QNelson
(Post 11145311)
You do realize that due to the wonders of technology called recorded video that most cycling enthusiast have watched a decent amount of the "best" tour battles out there right?
I might not stalk as many people as you, so in general I don't know what anyone does within the confines of their own home. I do know that to call this a storied tour is to demonstrate a particular level of ignorance into truly great tour battles. This one, despite the hyperbolic duo on Versus, hasn't been much of a shocker. |
Originally Posted by gsteinb
(Post 11145332)
I might not stalk as many people as you, so in general I don't know what anyone does within the confines of their own home. I do know that to call this a storied tour is to demonstrate a particular level of ignorance into truly great tour battles. This one, despite the hyperbolic duo on Versus, hasn't been much of a shocker.
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hmm the guy who referred to this as one of the most storied races in history has 1200 posts not 8,000. And as I said, that statement demonstrates a fairly high level of ignorance into the sport. I'm not sure why you think you know how much he's spent on bikes or equipment either.
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I've read some pretty dumb things on here, but hating on the chalk-bot? Seriously?
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Originally Posted by QNelson
(Post 11145321)
So your angry at people writing support to cancer survivors or others lost to cancer in an effort to raise support and awareness? Just want to make sure I'm reading that right.
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
(Post 11145393)
hmm the guy who referred to this as one of the most storied races in history has 1200 posts not 8,000. And as I said, that statement demonstrates a fairly high level of ignorance into the sport. I'm not sure why you think you know how much he's spent on bikes or equipment either.
PS: I was refering to you having almost 8000 post but you missed that too |
Originally Posted by msu2001la
(Post 11145405)
I've read some pretty dumb things on here, but hating on the chalk-bot? Seriously?
I think the idea of sending messages is great. And if you want to actually read the messages, you can go to the website. But when I'm watching the tour, I'm not paying attention to that stuff they write on the road. |
Fair enough, but i think there are a few other sponsors I'd be bothered with before the chalk bot. At least there profits are suppose to be for a good cause. I think I'd be more bothered if someone else was allowing people to say whatever they wanted on the road.
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