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arex 12-26-13 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 16359743)
Its up to you. Usually though on a Gent's the shift cable runs along the top tube, with the pulley as seen in the prior post.

On a Lady's, the pulley by necessity is by the bottom bracket. If up high it is more exposed, but likely going to get less dirt.

Interesting. I'll have to play with it a bit to see which I prefer.

Salubrious 12-26-13 12:58 PM

FWIW, the 50s and early 60's Schwinn Racer 3-speed had a braze-on bracket for the pulley, mounted on the bottom of the top tube near the seatpost rather than the seat tube.

Howard 12-27-13 07:51 AM

With the pulley up high, the shift cable is a little less affected by movement of the axle in the dropouts. This isn't often any problem, though.

JohnDThompson 12-27-13 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 16359743)
On a Lady's, the pulley by necessity is by the bottom bracket. If up high it is more exposed, but likely going to get less dirt.


Originally Posted by arex (Post 16359802)
Interesting. I'll have to play with it a bit to see which I prefer.

The problem I've run into with the pulley by the bottom bracket is that sometimes my shoe catches on the shift cable and causes an inadvertent gear change.

Bicycle Addict 12-27-13 05:11 PM

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It is interesting reading about the pulley arrangements on English built and US built bikes.
In NZ a company called Morrison had the franchise for Raleigh and on the NZ builds and the cable was housed in outer from the shifter all the way down over the BB cage and halfway along chain stay where the inner is exposed to the hub
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=356780
As you can see here, it looks messy (not as neat as the pulley system) but does run well when everything is all good with the hub, unfortunately it is not with this one, shifter needs replacing too, not too easy to find here, so I will try to make it work, I have a new cable and a back up hub so when I am clear of some projects I will get into it, it can't be that hard.

wahoonc 12-27-13 05:24 PM

Other than the obvious routing differences on step through versus regular diamond frames, the factory made a change in the late 70's early 80's and moved the pulley to the bottom of the seat post. Earlier bikes (prior to ~1965?) had a post brazed/welded on for the pulley, after that they were clamp on. Some bikes made in the 1980's had full length cable housing to the rear stay. An lot of excess friction in my opinion. My personal preference is along the top tube, if you have a hub that is sticking a bit you can grab the cable and give it a yank to free things up while riding.

Aaron :)

sykerocker 12-27-13 09:07 PM

Like wahoonc, I've found the bikes that used cable casing all the way down to midway on the rear stay would occasionally have friction problems and hang up. I'd always considered it a mark of a higher end roadster to use a pulley rather than cable casing.

Of course, the one exception to this rule was the Raleigh Twenty. Without the cable casing routing, folding would have been impossible. And I've never had a problem with the casings on those bikes. Probably not hurt by the cable/casing setup was shorter than a full-sized roadster.

Bicycle Addict 12-28-13 06:58 AM

I put a Brown B17 on to the green bike today, I will get a pic tomorrow. Awesome thread lets keep them coming, have any of the older posters made any changes to their bikes?

Howard 12-28-13 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by wahoonc (Post 16362456)
... Earlier bikes (prior to ~1965?) had a post brazed/welded on for the pulley, after that they were clamp on. Some bikes made in the 1980's had full length cable housing to the rear stay. ...

Good stuff Aaron.

I think the braze on pulley tab didn't show up until around 1950 - 1952.

http://sheldonbrown.com/raleigh.html shows clamp-on pulley as fitted in the late 40's then braze on from '52 with no info for 1950 or 51. Goes back to clamp on in 61.

That site is good, but not perfect, I think. I have a frame with a serial number nnnnn AK - which would make it early sixties according to the charts. But the forks are squashed and slotted with the old retention method (the indent is on the outside of the fork, rather than the inside), and the oiler is on the left rather than the right side, meaning it isn't a '61 or 2.

http://www.kurtkaminer.com/TH_raleigh_serials.html#47 has other serial number charts, which show two standards in place in the late 40's. That's the nice thing about standards: there are so many of them.

wahoonc 12-28-13 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by Bicycle Addict (Post 16363488)
I put a Brown B17 on to the green bike today, I will get a pic tomorrow. Awesome thread lets keep them coming, have any of the older posters made any changes to their bikes?

I have the bits and bobs to convert my 1972 Superbe and 1973 Colt to alloy rims, also a whole bunch of parts for my 1981 DL-1, adding a full chain case, heavy rear rack with built in kickstand, etc. Just need to clear out the shop and make room to work. Too many farm/home/work projects have gotten in the way... AGAIN!

Aaron :)

Bicycle Addict 12-30-13 06:29 AM

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Bought this Carlton 5 speed(I know it is not a 3 speed, still cool though?) today off an auction site over here, I will pick it up in a week or 2 will post more pics when I get it.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=357143

debit 12-30-13 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by Bicycle Addict (Post 16363488)
I put a Brown B17 on to the green bike today, I will get a pic tomorrow. Awesome thread lets keep them coming, have any of the older posters made any changes to their bikes?

I finally got around to getting most of the parts I need for this one:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8296/7...af0881ff_c.jpg

It's a 67 Sprite 5* speed that's getting new rims, Panaracer tires, a brown B67S and new grips. Now I just need to decide if I'm keeping the very fragile feeling DT shifters or switching up to something a bit sturdier.

* It still qualifies, right? It's really more like a three speed with an extended high and low gear.

gster 12-30-13 07:14 AM

3 Speed Trottle Shifters
 
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Originally Posted by debit (Post 16367309)
I finally got around to getting most of the parts I need for this one:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8296/7...af0881ff_c.jpg

It's a 67 Sprite 5* speed that's getting new rims, Panaracer tires, a brown B67S and new grips. Now I just need to decide if I'm keeping the very fragile feeling DT shifters or switching up to something a bit sturdier.

* It still qualifies, right? It's really more like a three speed with an extended high and low gear.

I swapped out the original shifters on my 5 speed for these "throttle" style ones which are quite nice.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=357148http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=357149

debit 12-30-13 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 16367325)
I swapped out the original shifters on my 5 speed for these "throttle" style ones which are quite nice.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=357149

Oh, nice!! Now I'm on the hunt. Thanks for the suggestion!

sykerocker 12-30-13 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by wahoonc (Post 16363732)
I have the bits and bobs to convert my 1972 Superbe and 1973 Colt to alloy rims, also a whole bunch of parts for my 1981 DL-1, adding a full chain case, heavy rear rack with built in kickstand, etc. Just need to clear out the shop and make room to work. Too many farm/home/work projects have gotten in the way... AGAIN!

Aaron :)

Don't feel bad. I don't get to work on any more bikes until I've finished cleaning, bagging, and reshelving the undone part of my spare parts inventory.

gster 12-30-13 08:02 AM

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They're around. I had to pack out the bracket with a leather sleeve but still think they're period appropriate as i have seen them on other bikes.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=357154http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=357155http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=357158

gna 12-30-13 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by debit (Post 16367309)
I finally got around to getting most of the parts I need for this one:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8296/7...af0881ff_c.jpg

It's a 67 Sprite 5* speed that's getting new rims, Panaracer tires, a brown B67S and new grips. Now I just need to decide if I'm keeping the very fragile feeling DT shifters or switching up to something a bit sturdier.

* It still qualifies, right? It's really more like a three speed with an extended high and low gear.

* Close enough. I've seen 'em at lake Pepin.

If you can't find the cool throttle shifters, you can always use two regular trigger shifters on the bars.

Salubrious 12-30-13 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by gna (Post 16368425)
* Close enough. I've seen 'em at lake Pepin.

If you can't find the cool throttle shifters, you can always use two regular trigger shifters on the bars.

Seems to me a I saw a Raleigh 6-speed there this year- an AW hub with a Benelux Cyclo in the rear. If my memory is playing games on me then it was at the Lizard Rally...

Sixty Fiver 12-30-13 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 16368544)
Seems to me a I saw a Raleigh 6-speed there this year- an AW hub with a Benelux Cyclo in the rear. If my memory is playing games on me then it was at the Lizard Rally...

That is a cool setup to have... the modern 2 speed cludge might be a little slicker but those old Benelux derailleurs are really cool and do what they need to do.

michael k 12-30-13 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by Bicycle Addict (Post 16363488)
I put a Brown B17 on to the green bike today, I will get a pic tomorrow. Awesome thread lets keep them coming, have any of the older posters made any changes to their bikes?

Need to pull the trigger on a correct set of bars for the roadster.This setup is a workout.

Oh,and a new seat. ;)

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...psc4c11c9c.jpg

PalmettoUpstate 12-30-13 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by michael k (Post 16368907)
Need to pull the trigger on a correct set of bars for the roadster.This setup is a workout.

Oh,and a new seat. ;)

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...psc4c11c9c.jpg

That's a pretty over-the-top saddle... What is it?

michael k 12-30-13 06:58 PM

A highwheeler replica from RBR. http://www.hiwheel.com/

PalmettoUpstate 12-30-13 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by michael k (Post 16368938)
A highwheeler replica from RBR. http://www.hiwheel.com/

Certainly priced well enough; what do you think of the quality of it?

arex 01-01-14 01:07 PM

I cold-set my frame to accommodate the new front and rear hubs last night, which went a lot better than I feared it would. It also revealed that 700x42 tires won't quite clear the top of the front fork without rubbing. I'm going to try reseating the tire to get it properly centered before writing off the 42's.

michael k 01-01-14 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by debit (Post 16367309)
I finally got around to getting most of the parts I need for this one:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8296/7...af0881ff_c.jpg

I about did a double take as I have a mini-me version...sort of. ;)

Forty years of being a garage queen the 3 speed coaster brake hub needed cleaned out and fresh grease.It was like gummy bears and honey inside.

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps87b6caf0.jpg

debit 01-01-14 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by michael k (Post 16373269)
I about did a double take as I have a mini-me version...sort of. ;)

Forty years of being a garage queen the 3 speed coaster brake hub needed cleaned out and fresh grease.It was like gummy bears and honey inside.

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps87b6caf0.jpg

The Space Riders are so damn cute! I once saw one tucked away in a shop and made grabby hands at it, but alas, it was set aside for an employee who had dibs.

My Sprite appears to have been well ridden, but also well loved. I picked her up from a junk dealer who'd just cleaned out the garage of someone recently deceased. The hub wanted a little oil and the brakes needed pads, but BB seems fine. I'm really looking forward to gussying her up with some new parts and getting some miles in once it warms up a little.

gna 01-02-14 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by debit (Post 16373759)
The Space Riders are so damn cute! I once saw one tucked away in a shop and made grabby hands at it, but alas, it was set aside for an employee who had dibs.

Was it MMRB? That is my daughter's:
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...1#post14223448
I was working on it there.

jamesj 01-07-14 11:55 PM

WOW!!!

Such a wonderful job! Im in love with this bike!!!

GREAT JOB!


Originally Posted by nine14six (Post 16356838)
This is a terrific thread and one of the reasons I come back to lurk on the C&V section. Here's my contribution. The frame is from a basket case that came with another bike I bought, and it was so sorry looking that I almost trashed it. But, I had some paint left over from another project and after locating a few odds and ends, and way too much work by a cycling buddy who's pretty handy with a hammer and spray gun, this is the end result. In no way did I want to make a period perfect restoration, it was just something that came together on an ad hoc basis with no regard for history. I put in a link to a photobucket slideshow deal if you want to see more pics.

Slideshow

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...psc7983f4a.jpg


Narhay 01-19-14 03:14 PM

Currently working on this one:

http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/...pse91c37a7.jpg

A few more bits and bobs to add and still looking for the right touch-up paint. You can read about it here: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...aleigh-Superbe

JBC353 01-19-14 09:06 PM

Let us know if you find the touch-up paint. I need to repaint the rack and chainguard on my wife's Superbe.


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