Is Origami Dragon a rebranded Savadeck bike?
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I was looking at the Origami Dragon and the frame looks extremely similar to a Chinese carbon fiber bike made by a company called Savadeck (sometimes also called Sava)? Here's a quick comparison in Paint. Is the Dragon just a rebranded Savadeck/Sava or does Origami simply source the frame from them and use different components? Related question: Where does Downtube source their frames from? I read some previous threads that they might come from a factory that was/is under Dahon's control but I'm not sure if that is still accurate. Thanks! |
Second time poster - my bad.
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I know the savadeck bikes came first, then I think the massively overpriced nano bikes, then origami. There are probably more companies selling them.
I have no idea of competent specs are the same though Wait my mistake, the nano is the java carbon bike. Basically there are two main carbon filders, the savadeck and the Java. |
Most of the US and European bike brands especially at medium to lower pricing are just imported bikes from China. Some of the big brands will do their own frame designs or tweak the frame designs more but are pretty much Chinese bikes. In fact even many of the Chinese brands sold on the Chinese market are rebranded versions of Chinese manufactured bikes because they too will buy from the large OEM factories in their own country. It could be Sava is also a rebrand but in China obviously much more likely an actual manufacturer.
Fuji-ta the largest bicycle manufacturer in the world has been stated as using up to a 1000 different brands on its bikes. When you consider they are sold all over the world not just China, US and Europe but South America, other Asian countries, Africa etc. They have made bikes for Dahon, Cannondale, GT, Raleigh, Dunlop, Muddyfox, loads of direct sellers and shop brands in the UK and across Europe. I could probably work out at least 100 brands myself but have no knowledge of their brands many other markets. You could if you wanted to probably buy 500 of those bikes yourself direct from the factory with your own paintwork designs on. For carbon frame bikes it probably wouldn't be anywhere near 500 maybe 50 or a 100. You could get a buying club together and import a container full of the bikes. In this instance definitely seems like Sava is the factory and you can order as little as 10 bikes for $575 each although likely you might be able to get that price lower but then you'll also have many additional costs on top. The current Origami price of $779 seems an absolute bargain for what it is. I've seen importers charge many, many times the price they paid. Even if Sava are negotiable on price by 20% it's still a huge bargain. People riding about on $8000 Italian carbon framed racing bikes are often still just Chinese bikes that sell for $600 in their home market with budget components on rather than Campagnola stuff. |
Yes, we teamed with Sava to bring the Dragon to the US. The components are generally the same. |
I'll be honest and say, for the pricing, it's a pretty solid bike. For a carbon bike it's quite nice.
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Originally Posted by tds101
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I'll be honest and say, for the pricing, it's a pretty solid bike. For a carbon bike it's quite nice.
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I'm someone who'll never get a carbon fiber bike myself (cromo or aluminum), but it's really nice. And yes, the specs are well below it's price point. :thumb:
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Originally Posted by mtb_addict
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@Pinigis the spec says kickstand. But I don't see it in the pictures on your website.
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Can it take fenders and rack?
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Originally Posted by Schwinnsta
(Post 20376377)
Can it take fenders and rack?
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Thanks Paul and others for the information!
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Originally Posted by Pinigis
(Post 20376271)
No, they don't actually have one either. The problem is that they don't want to use one that clamps on for fear that someone will over tighten it and damage the carbon fiber. We have been looking at options, and we have found one that looks promising (as of yesterday), but we need to do a little testing to make sure it is adequate.
I'd be trying to spec it out with the most affordable light weight parts I could find, like litepro gear. It's a bit of a wtf moment when you see that a carbon bike is heavier than the top end metal dahons. |
Originally Posted by mtb_addict
(Post 20377878)
I heard Carbon is the superior material for vibration damping. I think a Carbon touring bike would be very awesome. Because I'm been focusing alot on comfort lately.
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here in my country (indonesia), it rebranded as pacific illution 3.0
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It weighs a couple pounds more than my FSIR, which was also considerably cheaper. I would expect more weight savings for a carbon fiber bike.
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Originally Posted by Leon S. Kennedy
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It weighs a couple pounds more than my FSIR, which was also considerably cheaper. I would expect more weight savings for a carbon fiber bike.
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The Dragon looks like a great bike for the price. I REALLY wish it had a front derailleur hanger. It has a flat mounting point for it, but sadly no hanger.
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Originally Posted by Hinge
(Post 20942320)
The Dragon looks like a great bike for the price. I REALLY wish it had a front derailleur hanger. It has a flat mounting point for it, but sadly no hanger.
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