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indyfabz 01-20-22 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by Trsnrtr (Post 22380461)
Iíve found it tedious.

I may have it on my Kindle. I bought something a while back that might be it but then ended up reading Looking for Mr. Goodbar instead. Recently finished that. Before I did, it was an answer on Jeopardy!

I read some reviews that said the same thing about Lincoln Highway Companion.

I am thinking of re-reading Catch-22. I read it way back in 2000 when I started my long tour from Seattle to Cortez, CO. I can still envision when I busted out laughing at a campground in Rexford, MT when I got to the end. A couple of people looked over at me like "What is his deal?" Definitely one of my favorite reads ever.

LAJ 01-20-22 08:33 AM

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MoAlpha 01-20-22 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22380746)
Strengthen what defense?

Why the hell, for instance, canít people get non-counterfeit masks, testing free and on demand without a long wait, adequate ventilation and filtration in schools and public places, and public health agencies that can speak and act openly and effectively? What are we, Russia?

LAJ 01-20-22 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 22380774)
Why the hell, for instance, canít people get non-counterfeit masks, testing free and on demand without a long wait, adequate ventilation and filtration in schools and public places, and public health agencies that can speak and act openly and effectively? What are we, Russia?

I ordered my free tests. I expect they'll be here by the time our peak in on the downward trend. I have them for next variant, at least.

Trsnrtr 01-20-22 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 22380772)
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BillyD 01-20-22 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by Trsnrtr (Post 22380688)
Our wind chill temps won't get above 0ļF today and actual temp below zero tonight.

I don't know how are resident Minnesotan and Michigander s handle it.


Mojo31 01-20-22 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 22380774)
Why the hell, for instance, canít people get non-counterfeit masks, testing free and on demand without a long wait, adequate ventilation and filtration in schools and public places, and public health agencies that can speak and act openly and effectively? What are we, Russia?

A big part of this issue is that most buildings were built before the advent of things like HEPA filters. Also, having operable windows are usually less efficient as automated HVAC systems that are designed to operate efficiently from an energy consumption point of view will "fight" with the open window/doors unless the HVAC system and operable windows are designed and manufactured to work together (new stuff that is spendy). And, in schools and public buildings, operable windows present a security risk.

As for the public health agencies, the current environment baffles me. It's really sad that there is so much lack of trust in those agencies.

MoAlpha 01-20-22 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 22380780)
I ordered my free tests. I expect they'll be here by the time our peak in on the downward trend. I have them for next variant, at least.

We did too and fine. Most of us will need them. The issue is the lack of coordinated effort. For instance, you test positive and isolate, but who is gathering the data for your community and helping you and your neighbors to use the info to make the decisions which reduce or balance risk across the society? Public health policy is not something we can push to the individual level and hope to open schools safely.

Velo Vol 01-20-22 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 22380774)
Why the hell, for instance, canít people get non-counterfeit masks, testing free and on demand without a long wait, adequate ventilation and filtration in schools and public places, and public health agencies that can speak and act openly and effectively? What are we, Russia?

That stuff costs money?

It would be progress if we got 80%+ of the population to merely internalize that the virus is bad and should be avoided.

MoAlpha 01-20-22 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22380793)
A big part of this issue is that most buildings were built before the advent of things like HEPA filters. Also, having operable windows are usually less efficient as automated HVAC systems that are designed to operate efficiently from an energy consumption point of view will "fight" with the open window/doors unless the HVAC system and operable windows are designed and manufactured to work together (new stuff that is spendy). And, in schools and public buildings, operable windows present a security risk.

As for the public health agencies, the current environment baffles me. It's really sad that there is so much lack of trust in those agencies.

A HEPA filter is a disposable device which can be fitted to any air handling system and it doesn’t even have to be HEPA. MERV grades still help a lot and you can make an effective air cleaning device out of a box van and a filter.

I completely understand the lack of popularity trust in the agencies, especially the CDC, whose comms have been simply textbook bad.

MoAlpha 01-20-22 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22380804)
That stuff costs money?

It would be progress if we got 80%+ of the population to merely internalize that the virus is bad and should be avoided.

Less money than we are losing in economic damage and healthcare outlays.

Velo Vol 01-20-22 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by Trsnrtr (Post 22380688)
I don't know how are resident Minnesotan and Michigander s handle it.

What about our resident Tennessean? How does he handle it?

HTFU, that's how.

Mojo31 01-20-22 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 22380810)
A HEPA filter is a disposable device which can be fitted to any air handling system and it doesnít even have to be HEPA. MERV grades still help a lot and you can make an effective air cleaning device out of a box van and a filter.

I completely understand the lack of popularity trust in the agencies, especially the CDC, whose comms have been simply textbook bad.

That may help on a residential level, but is not going to get you far in a large public building. Schools, courthouses, public office buildings, and the like would require substantial and very expensive retrofitting to get you very far.

indyfabz 01-20-22 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 22380772)
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Good job. I have yet to do better than 4 in the 4 games I have played.

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LAJ 01-20-22 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 22380810)
A HEPA filter is a disposable device which can be fitted to any air handling system and it doesnít even have to be HEPA. MERV grades still help a lot and you can make an effective air cleaning device out of a box van and a filter.

I completely understand the lack of popularity trust in the agencies, especially the CDC, whose comms have been simply textbook bad.

The cubic money thrown at the schools in regard to addressing this, is astounding. Accountability is non-existent, and no one cares.

The head of the CDC has been on my hit list from the beginning. I'm certain I've mentioned that in another life.

The big swing.... You can go back to work in 5 days. The message there became very clear.

LAJ 01-20-22 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 22380832)
Good job. I have yet to do better than 4 in the 4 games I have played.

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Thanks. I was on a 4-5 roll for a bit. I become unsure of myself when I see a word such as the solution today, but at least I was able to pull the trigger this time.

indyfabz 01-20-22 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 22380838)
Thanks. I was on a 4-5 roll for a bit. I become unsure of myself when I see a word such as the solution today, but at least I was able to pull the trigger this time.

I thin I need to spend more time on them. i usually devote about 5 minutes at the most.

indyfabz 01-20-22 09:31 AM

It's snowing in earnest.

MoAlpha 01-20-22 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22380829)
That may help on a residential level, but is not going to get you far in a large public building. Schools, courthouses, public office buildings, and the like would require substantial and very expensive retrofitting to get you very far.

Just do it now for the next pandemic.

genejockey 01-20-22 09:40 AM

One problem is that most of the lay public don't get that you change the rules as your understanding evolves, as you learn more. So you have people saying, "But you said 2 years ago we didn't need masks!" And they also want to see things as binary - you "get COVID" or you don't - so that if you can still "get COVID" after vaccination, then vaccination doesn't work, even if you're 1) 10 times less likely to be hospitalized and 2) 20 times less likely to die.

This inability to grasp the simplest concepts of probability keeps casinos a profitable business. Well, for MOST people, that is.

genejockey 01-20-22 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 22380855)
It's snowing in earnest.

I hate it when it snows ironically.

Mojo31 01-20-22 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 22380863)
Just do it now for the next pandemic.

That would be a good idea. The million dollar question though is where is the money coming from?

I own a public building, but I'm not dropping the coin to upgrade filtration in the HVAC system, install operable windows, or do anything else to improve the ventilation/filtration. If I did, I would never recover the capital cost, and it would actually cause me to lose money on the property for a long time. My tenants are not going to just write me a check to do it.

rjones28 01-20-22 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22380549)

This is not how re-tweeting works.

rjones28 01-20-22 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22380685)
It's snowing. :rolleyes:

Same. :)

Velo Vol 01-20-22 09:55 AM

Not to P&R, but if you think area officials would even spend $$ for universal masks, much less any of that other stuff, :roflmao2:.


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