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ThermionicScott 04-09-12 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by photogravity (Post 14078627)
That's great news that you were able to get signed up for the tour! As far as the choice, I have a good number of bikes to choose from and, since I'm guessing a large majority of the bikes will be Raleigh built, I'd prefer to bring something that isn't common. I just finished counting and I have eight 3- or 4-speed bicycles that WERE NOT built by Raleigh and another eight 3- or 4-speed bicycles that WERE built by Raleigh. In any case, I've got choices which is supposed to be a good thing.

Nice! :)


Originally Posted by photogravity (Post 14078627)
As far as the outfit, it is a "Lycra-Free Event" and I'll not be wearing any, but I'll likely be wearing jeans and a pullover shirt. I don't have any riding gear like that which some will be wearing. Anyway, I guess I'll see you at the tour, eh?


Originally Posted by gna (Post 14078667)
It's not a tweed ride. You can Tweed up if you wish, but it's not required. It's more about the bikes and the style of touring. Wear what you want, just no lycra.

Ah, that works! After looking at some pictures of past tours, it appears that only some of the participants go all-out on replicating the old clothing.

ThermionicScott 04-09-12 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by wahoonc (Post 14078761)
About 2-3 years ago. I was working at U of I on a construction project at Burge Hall. I was "living" at the Heartland Inn for about 4 months :P Haven't been back since October of 2011, but hope to make another trip out soon.

Aaron :)

Coolness. Give me a holler next time you're in the area.

jrecoi 04-12-12 03:10 PM

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I walked into a bike shop, looking for cream tires for my indian roadster. It wasn't a very serious search, I sincerely doubted I could find anything of the sort, but it passed the time until the trip back to Colombia. I didn't find any such tires, however I did find something else.

Hidden in the back I saw the familiar curves of North Road handlebars. Peaked, I took a closer look, and found that it was a rather old Raleigh, one that still had a pulley for its Sturmey Archer. Intrigued I followed the enameled cable down to the chainstays where I snapped at the sight of something. A chaincase boss.

Bingo

Trying not to look too excited I asked the shop owner if that bike was for sale. He replied that he had been trying to get rid of it for two years, ever since the original owner sold it to him. Now certain that I've found something special and that it was available, I handed the shop owner what money I had in my pockets and rushed out to complete the sum. One hundred twenty dollars with tax, and I left the shop grinning and the bike ticking.

Here is my 1961 Raleigh Sports.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=244910http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=244912

Serial number and the name tag the original owner left.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=244909http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=244911

It has been upgraded with new inner tubes and a 22t cog and a longer chain. It needs new tires, and I'll add a chaincase at a later date.

auchencrow 04-12-12 03:33 PM

Nice going jrecoi ! You snagged an extra-cool one with that black & white two tone. - And the chaincase boss to boot!

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...2&d=1334264885

jrecoi 04-12-12 03:50 PM

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Some additional photos:

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=244921http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=244919http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=244922http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=244923

I have a slight problem. See, the rear tire has torn at the bead, and the nearest city that I know for certain that has 26 x 1 3/8 tires is a 10 hour bus ride away. This means that until I figure out if the cities closer to me have the tires, I'll be booting the originals.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=244920http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=244924

I'm thinking of gluing on a scrap of cloth to the inside of the tire, and sewing it tight against the bead as well as the tire. Will this work?

auchencrow 04-12-12 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by jrecoi (Post 14091447)
...

I have a slight problem. See, the rear tire has torn at the bead, and the nearest city that I know for certain that has 26 x 1 3/8 tires is a 10 hour bus ride away. This means that until I figure out if the cities closer to me have the tires, I'll be booting the originals.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=244920http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=244924

I'm thinking of gluing on a scrap of cloth to the inside of the tire, and sewing it tight against the bead as well as the tire. Will this work?


I'll say you have a slight problem: No one is permitted to kill themselves here on Bikeforums. Didn't you read the fine print?

DON'T even THINK about riding those tires!

Check the internet man - There's got to be a place that ships to Columbia.

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...267163&thumb=1

Amesja 04-12-12 04:30 PM

I've been pretty happy with the Michelin World Tour and have bought 4 so far. I recently put them on my '54 Sports. It's a nice-looking tire and even has the reflective sidewall.

I"m not sure if Niagara will ship to Colombia -but it is worth a try. Either through Amazon or directly through Niagara themselves on their own store.

photogravity 04-12-12 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by jrecoi (Post 14091303)
I walked into a bike shop, looking for cream tires for my indian roadster. It wasn't a very serious search, I sincerely doubted I could find anything of the sort, but it passed the time until the trip back to Colombia. I didn't find any such tires, however I did find something else.

Hidden in the back I saw the familiar curves of North Road handlebars. Peaked, I took a closer look, and found that it was a rather old Raleigh, one that still had a pulley for its Sturmey Archer. Intrigued I followed the enameled cable down to the chainstays where I snapped at the sight of something. A chaincase boss.

Bingo

Trying not to look too excited I asked the shop owner if that bike was for sale. He replied that he had been trying to get rid of it for two years, ever since the original owner sold it to him. Now certain that I've found something special and that it was available, I handed the shop owner what money I had in my pockets and rushed out to complete the sum. One hundred twenty dollars with tax, and I left the shop grinning and the bike ticking.

Here is my 1961 Raleigh Sports.

Serial number and the name tag the original owner left.

It has been upgraded with new inner tubes and a 22t cog and a longer chain. It needs new tires, and I'll add a chaincase at a later date.

Nice bike jrecoi. I definitely would not think of riding the bike with those tires as they are. Definitely replace them!

About the chaincase boss: Huh? Can you take a picture of that please? I don't think I know what it is.

photogravity 04-12-12 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by Amesja (Post 14091607)
I've been pretty happy with the Michelin World Tour and have bought 4 so far. I recently put them on my '54 Sports. It's a nice-looking tire and even has the reflective sidewall.

I"m not sure if Niagara will ship to Colombia -but it is worth a try. Either through Amazon or directly through Niagara themselves on their own store.

+1 That is one hella bargain for as nice a tire as it is.

jrecoi 04-13-12 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by photogravity (Post 14092362)
Nice bike jrecoi. I definitely would not think of riding the bike with those tires as they are. Definitely replace them!

About the chaincase boss: Huh? Can you take a picture of that please? I don't think I know what it is.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=244979

The chaincase boss is the circular bump behind the chainring.

Here is the same boss on a DL-1 frame that has the crank removed for clarity:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/34725412@N05/3858653151/

The idea is that the chaincase bolts directly onto the frame through the boss, and thus doesn't rotate around the chainstay as it would have were it attatched to the frame with a strap. From what I've seen, this boss is pretty standard on bikes that have chaincases, see this dutch bike from the 90s that has a similar boss to attatch its chaincase:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5042/...af235bc0_o.jpg

Does anyone know what bolt threads onto this? I have a sneaking suspicion that it is probably Witworth threaded. :cry:

ThermionicScott 04-13-12 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by Amesja (Post 14091607)
I've been pretty happy with the Michelin World Tour and have bought 4 so far. I recently put them on my '54 Sports. It's a nice-looking tire and even has the reflective sidewall.

I"m not sure if Niagara will ship to Colombia -but it is worth a try. Either through Amazon or directly through Niagara themselves on their own store.


Originally Posted by photogravity (Post 14092377)
+1 That is one hella bargain for as nice a tire as it is.

So, this may have been hashed out in another thread ;), but how does the Michelin World Tour compare with the Panaracer Col de Vie? My Sunlite Nimbus tires have plenty of life left in them and ride fine, but I wouldn't mind something suppler and/or faster next time around. :)

pitchpole 04-13-12 02:12 PM

I just picked up this old three speed that my neighbor kept in his shed for years. Amazingly the old tires still hold air and I was able to take it for a short ride, everything still works. Our moist climate has taken a toll on the chrome and the fenders are pretty much done for. I would like to replace the tires, not sure what size they are though. It rides very smooth but it takes some effort to get this thing up to speed. Model is Raleigh tourist. These pics are before I cleaned it up at all. This bike was likely destined for the scrap yard but I couldn't let that happen as it looks like it was a very nice bicycle in its day.

http://i41.tinypic.com/3wx91.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/3498c91.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/2ntlh6x.jpg

jrecoi 04-13-12 02:54 PM

That is a DL-1 from the late 70s. Those mudguards are pretty thick, you'd be surprised what a good scrubbing with a rag and a touch of motor oil can do to improve the finish. The chrome tends to clean up nicely by scrubbing with wadded up aluminium foil (the foil is softer than chrome but harder than rust).

As far as mechanicals go, add some motor oil (no 3 in 1, actual motor oil) into the rear hub (there is a port in the hub shell), down the seattube (to get oil into the bottom bracket), and front hub (do 70s DL-1s have oil ports for the front hubs?). This will clean out any accumulated gunk in the bearings, although you ought to do it outside because the oil will drip out and create a mess.

The tires are 28 x 1 1/2 (ERTO 635). These can be found online in black, gumwall and even in cream.

If you don't like the slow accelaration, you could get a larger rear cog. Raleigh tourists if I recall correctly came with 18 tooth cogs. The cogs are the same cogs that coaster brakes use.

djkashuba 04-13-12 03:49 PM

What gumwall 28 X 1 1/2 (ERTO 635) tires have you seen for sale?
Thanks. -D



Originally Posted by jrecoi (Post 14094845)
That is a DL-1 from the late 70s. Those mudguards are pretty thick, you'd be surprised what a good scrubbing with a rag and a touch of motor oil can do to improve the finish. The chrome tends to clean up nicely by scrubbing with wadded up aluminium foil (the foil is softer than chrome but harder than rust).

As far as mechanicals go, add some motor oil (no 3 in 1, actual motor oil) into the rear hub (there is a port in the hub shell), down the seattube (to get oil into the bottom bracket), and front hub (do 70s DL-1s have oil ports for the front hubs?). This will clean out any accumulated gunk in the bearings, although you ought to do it outside because the oil will drip out and create a mess.

The tires are 28 x 1 1/2 (ERTO 635). These can be found online in black, gumwall and even in cream.

If you don't like the slow accelaration, you could get a larger rear cog. Raleigh tourists if I recall correctly came with 18 tooth cogs. The cogs are the same cogs that coaster brakes use.


jrecoi 04-13-12 08:26 PM

I might have exaggerated on gumwalls, although I have seen them in bike shops in Colombia as well as Indian roadsters sold in Colombia.

I have also seen Aluminium 28 x 1 1/2 rims for about 10 usd per rim. Singlewall, a bit dainty, but they are equipped to new Indian roadsters the bike shops sell for a ~25 usd premium over the steel rim version.

I have a beaten up roadster frame that I'm planning on building up with these rims. Since the rims are a touch on the dainty side, I'm planning on using rim washers. When calculating ERD, do you calculate it with or without the washers?

biglee67 04-14-12 12:40 PM

Pitchpole:

FYI, I came across this blog post about rehabing an old frame (he has an entire series abt refurbishing an old Raleigh 3-spd). Plus, it's a great blog abt Raleigh's anyway. http://bosrug2.blogspot.com/2012/01/...one-frame.html

S

erileykc 04-14-12 08:56 PM

Not sure why a search of the thread won't accept "front hub" as a term and wants to instead give me every separate instance of front and hub. My internets skillz are deficient. That aside, my 1981 Tourist front hub bearings are worn rather badly yielding a noticeable wobble in the front wheel. Some googling around on the subject seems to be equally divided on disassembling the hub and replacing the bearings plus repacking them against simply replacing it with a modern alloy wheel. I'd rather keep the original wheel if possible but I'd like a working bike even more. What does the collected wisdom think on the matter?

noglider 04-14-12 09:13 PM

would it be worth seeing if one of us could ship tires to you in Columbia?

jrecoi 04-14-12 10:24 PM

Today I went to town to check out what availability there was, and for the most part, everyone defaulted to some variation of "those can be probably found in Bogota". There was even a bike shop who's owner guessed that I had a Raleigh from my description of the wheels. Internal gear hubs as well as drum brake hubs are pretty darn rare in Colombia, and some have suggested that I bring over some hubs for sale.

For now, I think I'll have a functional pair of tires ordered from Bogota through a bike shop here. Later on, I'll be sure to get some nice tires next time I go to the US, probably later this year.

I'm thankful for the outpouring of advice and offers of help, words fail to describe my awe for BF.

Fenway 04-15-12 12:45 PM

1971 Raleigh Sprite 27 built up from components circa 1946-present. Will likely be replacing the pedals with better ones from the 1950s. Since taking the photos the shift cable housing has been change to metallic braid to match the brake cable housing and the bar tilt has been adjusted slightly for comfort.

Edit: 700c CR-18 rims (with koolstops and the new stiff cable & housing they stop like champs), clamps & pegs are "British made" Cyclo ones which screw securely like the modern DiaCompe ones. Mud flap doesn't drag -the photos were taken on really uneven ground in my condo complex's inner courtyard. The chain will rattle and rub the inside of the case if on rough pavement but otherwise is very smooth & quiet (well, it does makes a soft but pleasant mechanical hum) on any decently paved surface. Since the Sprite frames of the era were re-purposed Record frames the tubing is thick enough to absorb most road vibrations, but light enough to accelerate really well.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-b...0/IMG_0867.JPG
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-L...0/IMG_0719.JPG
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-z...0/IMG_0720.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-j...0/IMG_0722.JPG
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-K...0/IMG_0869.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-4...8/IMG_0723.JPG
Herons hiding in the chain-case.

jrecoi 04-15-12 01:08 PM

Fenway: Nice bike! I think this is one of the best 27" 3 speed conversions thus far in this thread. This is a true clubman bike dressed for the work week.

What rims are those? How are the clamp ons holding, is there any rattling? Does the mudflap drag?

Roll-Monroe-Co 04-15-12 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by Fenway (Post 14100496)

Hot damn!

Elad63 04-16-12 05:52 AM

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New to me a Raleigh Sports. Stamped 73. 1 on SA hub

photogravity 04-16-12 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by Fenway (Post 14100496)
1971 Raleigh Sprite 27 built up from components circa 1946-present. Will likely be replacing the pedals with better ones from the 1950s and changing the shift cable housing to metallic braid to match the brake cable housing. Maybe I'll switch to Lauterwasser bars or something with less depth of the bend too, the current ones are a little too low for the comfort of my hands and the stem is already at about the minimum insertion distance.

Edit: 700c CR-18 rims (with koolstops and the new stiff cable & housing they stop like champs), clamps & pegs are "British made" Cyclo ones which screw securely like the modern DiaCompe ones. Mud flap doesn't drag -the photos were taken on really uneven ground in my condo complex's inner courtyard. The chain will rattle and rub the inside of the case if on rough pavement but otherwise is very smooth & quiet (well, it does makes a soft but pleasant mechanical hum) on any decently paved surface. Since the Sprite frames of the era were re-purposed Record frames the tubing is thick enough to absorb most road vibrations, but light enough to accelerate really well.

Herons hiding in the chain-case.

Fenway, that bike is gorgeous! You did a spectacular job, indeed.

photogravity 04-16-12 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by Elad63 (Post 14103046)
New to me a Raleigh Sports. Stamped 73. 1 on SA hub

Elad, that looks to be in exceptional condition. Did it have the Brooks saddle on it already?

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...7&d=1334577087

Elad63 04-16-12 08:49 AM

Yes it came with the brooks b 72

noglider 04-16-12 12:47 PM

Welcome, Elad! I hope you can browse this thread a fair bit. But feel free to ask questions here, too.

Velognome 04-17-12 11:02 AM

Nice Fenway! You'll look very proper arriving on such a well appointed ride.

kiwigem 04-17-12 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by Roll-Monroe-Co (Post 14100585)
Hot damn!

For real! That is wonderful, and I love the lamp!

chilipapa 04-17-12 11:55 AM

Very nice. I just let a 1958 Lenton MK111 frame and parts go. Already regretting it. I think mine could leave the shop in either 4 speed, fixed or SA.http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1347/5...e74ab002e4.jpg


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