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scale 09-22-17 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 19880806)
Got back home and had some time for fun. Threw some parts on the Raleigh frame I will use for my scorcher. About got them all cept a few.

Took some study shots. Last one shows what the 73' brakes look like without all that self tightening mechanism on the front.

what pump is that? Id like to find a pump to fit my pump pegs on my sports. I know they are not the best but they complete the look. Nice bike by the way....

3speedslow 09-22-17 06:01 PM

@scale it's a Bluemmel from England I got from @Flog00 it was missing the hose but I found one at the LBS here. Works great. Thanks!, the bike is a fun work in progress.

gster 09-22-17 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 19880806)
Got back home and had some time for fun. Threw some parts on the Raleigh frame I will use for my scorcher. About got them all cept a few.

Took some study shots. Last one shows what the 73' brakes look like without all that self tightening mechanism on the front.

That's a very good looking bike. That stem is what I'm looking for, to finish my 61 scorcher....

3speedslow 09-22-17 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 19880901)
That's a very good looking bike. That stem is what I'm looking for, to finish my 61 scorcher....

I pulled it off my 61 Rudge 10 speed. It is a Raleigh branded item and the clamp area works with North Road bars. I will keep an eye out for one at the LBS I haunt. I am their shop ghost!

gster 09-22-17 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 19880913)
I pulled it off my 61 Rudge 10 speed. It is a Raleigh branded item and the clamp area works with North Road bars. I will keep an eye out for one at the LBS I haunt. I am their shop ghost!

Thx,
I have a couple on other bikes but I don't want to start stripping complete projects.

3speedslow 09-22-17 06:38 PM

I agree. Lucky enough I needed a little more reach on the Rudge so I found a GB stem and steel bar for it. That freed the chrome stem for the sport which also gave me a little more reach there.

thumpism 09-22-17 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Scipunk (Post 19880148)
Hey quick question,
Is this kickstand a Raleigh thing or anyone know the manufacturer, i love this one and the one on my 64 sucks...lol

I'd like to find another if possible, is it a axle kickstand or?

https://flic.kr/p/YKuK4z

I cant get img linking from flickr to work :(

That looks like the rear stand that came on the Fuji Cambridge III and the Cambridge VI back in the '80s. That one looks pretty grody and I've only ever seen shiny ones. On my own Raleigh Sports the one I use is a Greenfield alloy rear axle stand in black.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_P7m8p3pz-z...0/IMG_0682.jpg

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Scipunk 09-22-17 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 19881018)
That looks like the rear stand that came on the Fuji Cambridge III and the Cambridge VI back in the '80s. That one looks pretty grody and I've only ever seen shiny ones. On my own Raleigh Sports the one I use is a Greenfield alloy rear axle stand in black.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_P7m8p3pz-z...0/IMG_0682.jpg

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Thanks!

Would this be the one your using?
https://www.niagaracycle.com/categor...pouch-packaged

BigChief 09-22-17 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 19880806)
Got back home and had some time for fun. Threw some parts on the Raleigh frame I will use for my scorcher. About got them all cept a few.

Took some study shots. Last one shows what the 73' brakes look like without all that self tightening mechanism on the front.

Wow, that is beautiful. Brings back so many memories. Although my teenage scorcher was nowhere near as slick as this. Wish I could flip the bars on my new scorcher, but I know how my back would feel after a half hour or so.
I needed cable adjusters for the calipers on my green Sports after I ditched the self adjuster levers. Luckily I found some in my parts box. A bit rusty but useable.

thumpism 09-22-17 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by Scipunk (Post 19881142)
Thanks!

Would this be the one your using?
https://www.niagaracycle.com/categor...pouch-packaged

Correct. Works fine.

BigChief 09-22-17 08:57 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 19879800)
Perhaps this is a wacky idea, but how about using a rear brake on the front and attaching the nut to the mounting bolt inside of the fork crown (thus bypassing the misaligned rear hole on the crown)?

It is a solid idea. The only problem I envision with it is tightening the nut up inside the fork tube. Not much space in there. The other end of the bolt is a shallow screwdriver slot. With the right box wrench, it might just work.

3speedslow 09-22-17 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19881159)
I needed cable adjusters for the calipers on my green Sports after I ditched the self adjuster levers. Luckily I found some in my parts box. A bit rusty but useable.

Cable adjusters! Doh! I'm sure it would have occurred to me at some moment in time. Back to the bins! Thanks @BigChief

Scipunk 09-23-17 10:54 AM

So I pulled my 73 sport out today and while I was spinning the back wheel like I was riding and coasting was fine but if I move the pedals back like if it were a coaster brake It sounds like a metal groaning which I feel is due to it having probably no lubricant left in it as when I got the the hub was covered in a thick black layer of what I assumed was grease.

Again it sound normal riding forward but reversing the pedal rotation cause a intermittent deep scraping / grinding sound

It has the fill cap but I worry that itís broken or isnít sealing

So is the hub dead , is this normal or is it rebuild time?

3speedslow 09-23-17 11:42 AM

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The bin doth give bounty! This should give me cable adjustment after taking the auto adjusting feature off the brake lever.

BigChief 09-23-17 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by Scipunk (Post 19881928)
So I pulled my 73 sport out today and while I was spinning the back wheel like I was riding and coasting was fine but if I move the pedals back like if it were a coaster brake It sounds like a metal groaning which I feel is due to it having probably no lubricant left in it as when I got the the hub was covered in a thick black layer of what I assumed was grease.

Again it sound normal riding forward but reversing the pedal rotation cause a intermittent deep scraping / grinding sound

It has the fill cap but I worry that itís broken or isnít sealing

So is the hub dead , is this normal or is it rebuild time?

All AW hubs make some noise, some much more than others. I've had the hub apart on my 72 DL1 twice and haven't been able to calm down the runch-runch sound it makes while coasting with the crank at certain positions. Move the crank a bit and it calms down. Most hubs do this to a degree, but this one is particularly noisy. Everything in that hub is cleaned, degreased, oiled and in good order. I write it down to a misalignment somewhere. Seems like lots of things came out of Nottingham misaligned in the 70s. Been riding this bike a lot for a year now and with the exception of the noise it works fine. Wouldn't hurt to service the hub. You could also swap in the guts from another AW into your hub shell. I was thinking of that for my roadster.

gster 09-23-17 01:31 PM

Monkey See, Monkey Do
 
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Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 19880913)
I pulled it off my 61 Rudge 10 speed. It is a Raleigh branded item and the clamp area works with North Road bars. I will keep an eye out for one at the LBS I haunt. I am their shop ghost!

I stopped by George from Parts Unknown and picked up an extended stem for $5.00. Not exactly what I'm looking for but will work as a place holder for now. I had to make a little leather shim to clamp the bars down.
Overall a big improvement.
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3speedslow 09-23-17 01:45 PM

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Reality has set in. Not going to be a simple swap for the adjuster. Way I see it, I have two options.
1. Drill the brake arm hole from .30 to .92 insert adjuster

2. Use the base of the Raleigh cable holder, drill and tap that hole to accept the replacements cable adjuster stop.

Time for me to think. It has to be done since I have taken away any means of adjusting the cable with the brake levers now.

3speedslow 09-23-17 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 19882144)
I stopped by George from Parts Unknown and picked up an extended stem for $5.00. Not exactly what I'm looking for but will work as a place holder for now. I had to make a little leather shim to clamp the bars down.
Overall a big improvement.
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Hey, I like bananas, and I like that machine of yours! Wish mine was that far along.

SirMike1983 09-23-17 02:06 PM

I may be one of the few people who actually like the self-adjusters. I have a set on my '74 Sports and they work nicely. They take a little of the "feel" out of braking because they auto-set the brake lever travel, but that doesn't bother me. I would not add them to earlier bikes that lacked the adjusters, but I left them on this sports, and they do fine.

3speedslow 09-23-17 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 19882190)
I may be one of the few people who actually like the self-adjusters. I have a set on my '74 Sports and they work nicely. They take a little of the "feel" out of braking because they auto-set the brake lever travel, but that doesn't bother me. I would not add them to earlier bikes that lacked the adjusters, but I left them on this sports, and they do fine.

Yes, I don't dislike them either, I just did not want them on the scorcher build. I used these for another build and they did fine.

BigChief 09-23-17 03:37 PM

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It did work. A tip of the hat to @noglider for the suggestion. I eliminated 18" of cable housing and the Raleigh lever now has plenty enough travel to handle the Tektro dual pivot. Far more firm, much better feel. There is a BUT here though. This would not have worked if I didn't have this big 1" cable stop in my parts bin. I bought a brand new clip and used that with an old steel grommet. It wouldn't hold. The old Sturmey Archer clips are a bit more husky, but not as strong as the one I ended up using. Don't know who made it, not Sturmey Archer, but this wouldn't have worked without it. Maybe somebody makes bolt on cable stops for 1" tubes somewhere. I couldn't find one.
So this is a very useful mod and , I think, necessary if you're going to use dual pivot calipers, but you will need something stronger than a SA fulcrum clip. If I had known this, I would have brazed on stops while I had the frame stripped. edit: forgot to mention. The old SA clip does hold at the rear of the top tube. I think there may be more tension at the front. It was also handy that the Tektro connects the rear cable on the left side of the bike. Nice clean routing with the shifter on the right.

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Scipunk 09-23-17 04:05 PM

My 73 has odd brake handles, they are chrome but have a black section with adjustment wheels also it looks as if someone replaced the cables for them as they are just about the only shiny part on there...lol
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4333/...59214045_b.jpgIMG_1260 by David Ashe, on Flickr

Were the 70's brake cables black and did they have the different handles?

3speedslow 09-23-17 06:54 PM

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The cables in the 70's were black but they were not smooth, they had raised ridges on them. The black thing on your levers we're something they tried for awhile. Self adjusting brake tensioning mechanism. As the pads moved away from the rim as they wore, the adjuster would bring it closer for better braking. Some like them, some remove them.

These are my levers with them removed.

Scipunk 09-23-17 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 19882583)
The cables in the 70's were black but they were not smooth, they had raised ridges on them. The black thing on your levers we're something they tried for awhile. Self adjusting brake tensioning mechanism. As the pads moved away from the rim as they wore, the adjuster would bring it closer for better braking. Some like them, some remove them.

These are my levers with them removed.

Interesting, well so far they work but i dunno if ill keep them. My cables are actually smooth so they must be newer, odd considering how the rest of the bike looks like it lived in a swamp.

Whats the benefit of them other than the self adjusting?

allanorn 09-23-17 07:48 PM

Howdy! Apologies for this being my first post on the forums.

I enjoyed reading the thread from the first post. It took several weekends and a couple of weekday nights, going through about 30-60 minutes each time. I learned quite a bit and started to understand why the English three-speed is so revered. The only wish I had was that Photobucket didn't change their Terms of Service. Anyway....

Somewhat unfortunately - since I can be easily enabled if something piques my interest - I may have overpaid a bit to pick up a Phillips. Hub stamp is 68/12. It was stored in a storage locker and picked up by someone bidding when the owner went past-due on his locker. No fenders. It looks relatively clean and has most of the original parts left on the bike - including the cables, Raleigh Record tires and what look to be Kool-Stop brake pads. I'll probably keep it as a cafe/path racer until I find the need to put fenders on the bike. Once I determine where to host photos, I'll upload a few.

First steps are to replace tires, check/replace the tubes, and get new brake pads. I need to figure out what's going on with the hub as it was adjusted too tight and I can't either get it into first or I spin in second gear. Once that's done a new seat will be in order.

3speedslow 09-23-17 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by Scipunk (Post 19882623)
Interesting, well so far they work but i dunno if ill keep them. My cables are actually smooth so they must be newer, odd considering how the rest of the bike looks like it lived in a swamp.

Whats the benefit of them other than the self adjusting?

That's what they do, that all they do.

3speedslow 09-23-17 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by allanorn (Post 19882659)
Howdy! Apologies for this being my first post on the forums.

I enjoyed reading the thread from the first post. It took several weekends and a couple of weekday nights, going through about 30-60 minutes each time. I learned quite a bit and started to understand why the English three-speed is so revered. The only wish I had was that Photobucket didn't change their Terms of Service. Anyway....

Somewhat unfortunately - since I can be easily enabled if something piques my interest - I may have overpaid a bit to pick up a Phillips. Hub stamp is 68/12. It was stored in a storage locker and picked up by someone bidding when the owner went past-due on his locker. No fenders. It looks relatively clean and has most of the original parts left on the bike - including the cables, Raleigh Record tires and what look to be Kool-Stop brake pads. I'll probably keep it as a cafe/path racer until I find the need to put fenders on the bike. Once I determine where to host photos, I'll upload a few.

First steps are to replace tires, check/replace the tubes, and get new brake pads. I need to figure out what's going on with the hub as it was adjusted too tight and I can't either get it into first or I spin in second gear. Once that's done a new seat will be in order.

Welcome! That does make for a marathon reading time, doesn't it? Bring your Phillips here when you can, we would love to see it.

The 3 speed hub does not like to be too tight. It does like to have its cable adjusted.

Scipunk 09-23-17 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 19882737)
That's what they do, that all they do.

That they do...lol

Tear down will be starting hopefully tomorrow :)

JaccoW 09-24-17 02:37 AM


Originally Posted by allanorn (Post 19882659)
Once I determine where to host photos, I'll upload a few.

I'm a big fan of Imgur.com. Linked you see the basic upload website but if you make an account you can easily put them in folders and access them later or add comments.

Here you can find a quick guide how to upload images. Extra info

For posting to the forum you need the BBCode once the image is uploaded. Linked BBCode has the advantage of showing a smaller image on the forum but allowing people who are interested to go to the IMGUR website to see the original full size. Just make sure you select the right size for the thumbnail. ;)

thumpism 09-24-17 07:04 AM

Nice older one on CL here in town. Looks like a 23" frame.

https://richmond.craigslist.org/bik/...312189340.html

1960s Raleigh 3 speed - $75 (RVA/Maymont)

https://images.craigslist.org/00o0o_...NB_600x450.jpg

make / manufacturer: Raleigh
model name / number: Sports

Raleigh 3-speed Sports model bicycle. I don't know the exact year but it is from the 1960s.

The bike is obviously old, but it still rides fine. The tires hold air and the gears shift. Best suited for someone under 6' tall, but I'm a bit taller and it is definitely still ride-able. Good for cruising around town.

I'll throw in the red lock that is pictured.

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