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WhyFi 07-11-22 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by Jack Tone (Post 22571152)
Turns out the rim is tubeless compatible and I couldn't put enough pressure in to pop the bead onto the rim. So I thumped slowly home for about 8 miles. CO2 in my pocket next time.

Yeah, this can be a problem sometimes - I've never had a thump, but I've had a bit of wobble. Next time, if you have a little water to spare, try wetting the beads, that might help 'em pop in to place.

bampilot06 07-11-22 12:46 PM

Bummed about todays ride. Took yesterday off to give myself extra rest, but my daughter kept us up both nights. She was having nightmares for the first time.

Anyways, set you to do a century in 4 hr 30mins or less, more importantly no breaks. Took the wrong route, but that didn’t really make a difference, by mile 50 my legs were not having it. Decided to call it at 80 when I knew I wouldn’t make my goal.


Temperature was perfect this mornjng. Looked like a fall day.

datlas 07-11-22 12:47 PM

My suggestion for a sub 5 hour century? E-bike.

Easy peasy.

bampilot06 07-11-22 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22571166)
My suggestion for a sub 5 hour century? E-bike.

Easy peasy.


Considered it.

bampilot06 07-11-22 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22571119)
Why not? Riding a booted tire really isn't an HTFU scenario, anyway; I've done it a few times and it's usually a lazy stroll that's not terribly unpleasant.

Otherwise, I'm generally not fond of asking someone to bail me out of a mess that I've gotten myself into, 'specially if it's something that I can get myself out of without too much trouble or risk. With my wife and family specifically, they already put up with my habit, and how it impacts the time that we spend together, and I don't want to ask even more of them if I don't have to.


This is why I call my neighbor when I am stranded…….

Mojo31 07-11-22 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22571166)
My suggestion for a sub 5 hour century? E-bike.

Easy peasy.

Yeah baby!

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...82a450913.jpeg

bampilot06 07-11-22 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22571201)

What’s the wife say about this one Mojo?

genejockey 07-11-22 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22571119)
Why not? Riding a booted tire really isn't an HTFU scenario, anyway; I've done it a few times and it's usually a lazy stroll that's not terribly unpleasant.

Otherwise, I'm generally not fond of asking someone to bail me out of a mess that I've gotten myself into, 'specially if it's something that I can get myself out of without too much trouble or risk. With my wife and family specifically, they already put up with my habit, and how it impacts the time that we spend together, and I don't want to ask even more of them if I don't have to.

I have built up sufficient "Can you come and pick me up?" karma over the decades that I don't feel too bad about one call every year or so.

Mojo31 07-11-22 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22571202)
What’s the wife say about this one Mojo?

She would tell me that the point of having a bike is to ride it, and that I'm not allowed to have power assist unless it is of the 4-wheel type.

Her standard response to e-bikes is, "What's the point?"

Of course, my point might be that that would enable me to do a century in this lifetime.

datlas 07-11-22 01:39 PM

Supposedly the topic of whether to allow (or not allow) e-bikes on club rides is actively being discussed by the club's Board. I am quite pleased to have served my term and no longer be involved with such ongoing discussions.

WhyFi 07-11-22 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22571222)
Supposedly the topic of whether to allow (or not allow) e-bikes on club rides is actively being discussed by the club's Board. I am quite pleased to have served my term and no longer be involved with such ongoing discussions.

Oof - yeah, that'd be a tough one. IMO, the more aggressive the ride, the less disposed I'd be towards them. A or even B ride? Nah. C ride? I could see it.

datlas 07-11-22 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22571228)
Oof - yeah, that'd be a tough one. IMO, the more aggressive the ride, the less disposed I'd be towards them. A or even B ride? Nah. C ride? I could see it.

Agree. On a spirited/aggressive ride, it's not cool.

On a "geezer" ride, especially for an elder statesman, I think it could be reasonable to allow them to keep up with their more youthful friends.

But it's a tough call.

WhyFi 07-11-22 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22571215)
She would tell me that the point of having a bike is to ride it, and that I'm not allowed to have power assist unless it is of the 4-wheel type.

Her standard response to e-bikes is, "What's the point?"

Of course, my point might be that that would enable me to do a century in this lifetime.

Increasing range while maintaining intensity and duration would be a really cool thing - getting to see more and varied terrain would be a really nice benefit and motivator.

....but I'd put money on you doing a century without. I would bet that more people would have problems with the position-related fatigue rather than the effort necessary. You really don't need to move that fast if you're comfortable.

datlas 07-11-22 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22571239)
Increasing range while maintaining intensity and duration would be a really cool thing - getting to see more and varied terrain would be a really nice benefit and motivator.

....but I'd put money on you doing a century without. I would bet that more people would have problems with the position-related fatigue rather than the effort necessary. You really don't need to move that fast if you're comfortable.

Agree 100%. Even with age, endurance at a modest pace is very realistic. Just remember to eat, drink, and stretch.

Eric F 07-11-22 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22571228)
Oof - yeah, that'd be a tough one. IMO, the more aggressive the ride, the less disposed I'd be towards them. A or even B ride? Nah. C ride? I could see it.

I'm with you on that. While I could see the attraction for formerly-fast, ex-racer types, who know handle a bike, and would be fine in a A ride. However, the danger is with newer riders who don't have the experience that usually comes along with becoming a fast guy/gal, and getting into conditions over their head where they put everyone at risk.

WhyFi 07-11-22 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by Eric F (Post 22571247)
I'm with you on that. While I could see the attraction for formerly-fast, ex-racer types, who know handle a bike, and would be fine in a A ride. However, the danger is with newer riders who don't have the experience that usually comes along with becoming a fast guy/gal, and getting into conditions over their head where they put everyone at risk.

Oh, more power than sense would be a definite problem but, frankly, my first concern on an A- or even B-ride would be the possibility of resentment from others. I think that, once there's an element of suffering involved, folks may side-eye the e-bike riders, 'specially if the e-bike riders aren't really tactful, and I just wouldn't want that kind of wedge forming within the group.

Mojo31 07-11-22 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22571239)
Increasing range while maintaining intensity and duration would be a really cool thing - getting to see more and varied terrain would be a really nice benefit and motivator.

....but I'd put money on you doing a century without. I would bet that more people would have problems with the position-related fatigue rather than the effort necessary. You really don't need to move that fast if you're comfortable.

I've never tried for a century. For me, it's mostly the time expenditure. 50s not really a problem except in our current heat. My big issue is that I get bored. We don't really have very pretty scenery around here.

It's hit or miss with position fatigue. My last 40+ ride, I was fine with no fatigue. Sunday on a very short ride, my shoulders and arms were tight feeling, but that may have to do with neck stiffness that I frequently have. I am scheduled for a Retul fit on Thursday.

I can see merits to e-bikes, but for me now, it kills the purpose of riding. Maybe when I'm an elder statesman instead of just elder.

seedsbelize2 07-11-22 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22571239)
Increasing range while maintaining intensity and duration would be a really cool thing - getting to see more and varied terrain would be a really nice benefit and motivator.

....but I'd put money on you doing a century without. I would bet that more people would have problems with the position-related fatigue rather than the effort necessary. You really don't need to move that fast if you're comfortable.

All of my many centuries have been in the 8-10 hour range. I like to have a sit down lunch if possible. Various snack breaks.
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Mojo31 07-11-22 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22571260)
Oh, more power than sense would be a definite problem but, frankly, my first concern on an A- or even B-ride would be the possibility of resentment from others. I think that, once there's an element of suffering involved, folks may side-eye the e-bike riders, 'specially if the e-bike riders aren't really tactful, and I just wouldn't want that kind of wedge forming within the group.

You mean if they said something like, "C'mon guys what's holding you up?"

big john 07-11-22 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22571222)
Supposedly the topic of whether to allow (or not allow) e-bikes on club rides is actively being discussed by the club's Board. I am quite pleased to have served my term and no longer be involved with such ongoing discussions.

Our club went through this a couple years ago and the meetings got really heated. The club president quit as did some long time members because they were against e-bikes. After that it was decided to ban e-bikes, but there weren't many trying to ride with us anyway.

After a few months my friends with e-bikes started coming on club rides. No one objected, everyone likes them and they are experienced riders. She is very strong again and came out on her old race bike this past Saturday and spanked us on the climbs, especially late. I posted about this in the General thread.

Eric F 07-11-22 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22571260)
Oh, more power than sense would be a definite problem but, frankly, my first concern on an A- or even B-ride would be the possibility of resentment from others. I think that, once there's an element of suffering involved, folks may side-eye the e-bike riders, 'specially if the e-bike riders aren't really tactful, and I just wouldn't want that kind of wedge forming within the group.

Valid point. My mental image was of guys who have paid their dues. You're probably right, though.

big john 07-11-22 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22571260)
Oh, more power than sense would be a definite problem but, frankly, my first concern on an A- or even B-ride would be the possibility of resentment from others. I think that, once there's an element of suffering involved, folks may side-eye the e-bike riders, 'specially if the e-bike riders aren't really tactful, and I just wouldn't want that kind of wedge forming within the group.

The two that I ride with are very tactful, and everyone likes them and many of us have known them for years, decades in my case. They both raced for years and are highly skilled bike handlers.
They never try to blow up a ride or use the motor against others.

big john 07-11-22 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22571244)
Agree 100%. Even with age, endurance at a modest pace is very realistic. Just remember to eat, drink, and stretch.

To me, the climbing is the big factor. I don't think I want to do another 10,000 foot century but a flat one wouldn't be a problem. Probably.

genejockey 07-11-22 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22571228)
Oof - yeah, that'd be a tough one. IMO, the more aggressive the ride, the less disposed I'd be towards them. A or even B ride? Nah. C ride? I could see it.

That's also my thinking. Casual, no-drop rides? Sure. Competitive rides? Nope.

big john 07-11-22 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by Eric F (Post 22571309)
Valid point. My mental image was of guys who have paid their dues. You're probably right, though.

Even Skarin rides an e-bike now, and he's a 2 time Olympian and won a ton of races.

WhyFi 07-11-22 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by big john (Post 22571314)
The two that I ride with are very tactful, and everyone likes them and many of us have known them for years, decades in my case. They both raced for years and are highly skilled bike handlers.
They never try to blow up a ride or use the motor against others.

Yeah, I can see a wide range of results, depending upon the size of the group and the individuals within the group. In some groups, I could see it being awesome - leveling ability and letting people enjoy more time together. I do think, though, that as groups trend towards larger and/or more competitive, the more problematic they could be. I'm a pretty easy-going guy, but I can also be competitive - if someone with a motor tried to beat me to a town sign or to the top of a hill, I might not be okay with that in the heat of the moment. :notamused:

datlas 07-11-22 03:24 PM

Thread needs more cats.

Jackie is happy to assist:


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big john 07-11-22 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22571359)
Yeah, I can see a wide range of results, depending upon the size of the group and the individuals within the group. In some groups, I could see it being awesome - leveling ability and letting people enjoy more time together. I do think, though, that as groups trend towards larger and/or more competitive, the more problematic they could be. I'm a pretty easy-going guy, but I can also be competitive - if someone with a motor tried to beat me to a town sign or to the top of a hill, I might not be okay with that in the heat of the moment. :notamused:

When they first got the things they would not go to club rides but did come to our smaller group rides which were no-drop for my (and others) benefit. They would go to the front and the strongest rider would then be the limiting factor. In other words, the speed increased until we backmarkers were struggling. They had no sense of how difficult it was for us because it was so easy for them. They have figured it out since then.

indyfabz 07-11-22 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22571360)
Thread needs more cats.

Jackie is happy to assist:


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The late, great Reds, aka Stinky McSqugglebutt, in kitty jail. I was having flooring work done, and he was due for a checkup, so he spent the day at the vet who fixed him up when he was rescued.


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genejockey 07-11-22 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22571359)
Yeah, I can see a wide range of results, depending upon the size of the group and the individuals within the group. In some groups, I could see it being awesome - leveling ability and letting people enjoy more time together. I do think, though, that as groups trend towards larger and/or more competitive, the more problematic they could be. I'm a pretty easy-going guy, but I can also be competitive - if someone with a motor tried to beat me to a town sign or to the top of a hill, I might not be okay with that in the heat of the moment. :notamused:

A few weeks back, I was riding the Canyon, and there was a rider who was taking much the same route as I did. It was one of those things where I'd passed him, then he caught up at stoplights, then I passed them again. The third time, he said something like, "It's nice when the bike does the work for you", which didn't initially register, but I think he thought I was on an e-bike.


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