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Scipunk 09-26-17 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by plympton (Post 19889355)
Yes. The grip, front rim and saddle are wrong. The serial number is raised not inscribed 12781 ARL? I think, without .glasses

This might be of help, but i don't see anything with ARL at the end:
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/raleigh.html#serial

plympton 09-26-17 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19889105)
Where do you find these bikes? Killer find. This dates to before the brazed on pully guide lug. It's only a question of how much before. Shifters can be replaced, but this style of shifter was advertised December 1949

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4336/...dc13557e_b.jpg1949 sa ad by Billy Bones, on Flickr

Looking at the Headbadge web site this probably is a 1949. ser. #12781 ARL, can't tell if that is an L. I can find others of this vintage but they want 100 to 200 for them. here are two near by $125 and $250Attachment 582374

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Scipunk 09-26-17 06:00 PM

@plympton where are you located? Prices here vary from 125 to 300+ >.>

plympton 09-26-17 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by Scipunk (Post 19889404)
@plympton where are you located? Prices here vary from 125 to 300+ >.>

New England, Maine.

Scipunk 09-26-17 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by plympton (Post 19889414)
New England, Maine.

Well no kidding, were down in Massachusetts! We are talking about moving to Maine someday :)

plympton 09-26-17 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by Scipunk (Post 19889431)
Well no kidding, were down in Massachusetts! We are talking about moving to Maine someday :)

That one, the first one, is $125 in Damariscata(sp)

Scipunk 09-26-17 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by plympton (Post 19889447)
That one, the first one, is $125 in Damariscata(sp)

That one is right up my alley, I do love it, now funding...lol

plympton 09-26-17 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by plympton (Post 19889447)
That one, the first one, is $125 in Damariscata(sp)

oops. I meant Camden.

Scipunk 09-26-17 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by plympton (Post 19889489)
oops. I meant Camden.

Not bad, only 4.5 hrs away, we're looking at places to stay overnight and im trying to find 125 extra bucks...lol

Found the link on CL :D

gster 09-26-17 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by rhm (Post 19887627)
Yesterday evening I got my Falcon three speed out of my bike locker, pumped up the tire (story told elsewhere), and rode off. A hundred yards later I stopped for a traffic light. When the light went green I started pedaling and something went PANG! and my pedals spun freely. It turned out the circlip had popped off the driver, and the cog had slipped out to the groove where the circlip was supposed to be. I had to take the wheel off to get it back on, pain in the neck. But why had this happened? There are two 1/16" spacers, and one cog, so there really should be plenty of room for the circlip, but it seemed to be just barely hanging on. This was the first time the circlip had popped off, though, and the hub has been on this bike for several years.

Today on the way to the station, it happened again. Again I had to take the wheel off to get the circlip back on. I removed one of the 1/16" spacers, so the hub is now noisier than before, but the circlip fits better.

I had the same thing happen ('70 Hercules) out of the blue.
I'd been riding the bike for a couple of years, then BANG!
No cause found.

arty dave 09-27-17 03:15 AM

3 speed slow I have scorcher envy again! I think it was gster last time
Plympton nice tear down pics and cool new find with great chain case font
BC great fix on the brakes

Soooo....has anyone used the 'Raleigh Roadster' tyres? (635 x 40/28 1/2" x 1 1/2") They have a nice tread pattern, do they roll well?

thumpism 09-27-17 05:40 AM

Not cheap and not English but it's Sturmeyized and these seem to have a following.

https://richmond.craigslist.org/bik/...322478296.html

Schwinn Speedster ~1972 3-speed men - $399 (Glen Allen)

https://images.craigslist.org/00Q0Q_...Qd_600x450.jpg

condition: excellent
make / manufacturer: Schwinn
model name / number: Speedster
serial number: DK612159

This 1970s Schwinn is in excellent condition and is all original. It has been completely cleaned and lubed. All bearings are in very good condition and the wheels are true. It rides and shifts smoothly. I have more photos and videos if you would like to see them.
call or text 5%4$0)-9(0)8*-0)7&0)4$

BigChief 09-27-17 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 19890005)
Not cheap and not English but it's Sturmeyized and these seem to have a following.

https://richmond.craigslist.org/bik/...322478296.html

Schwinn Speedster ~1972 3-speed men - $399 (Glen Allen)

https://images.craigslist.org/00Q0Q_...Qd_600x450.jpg

condition: excellent
make / manufacturer: Schwinn
model name / number: Speedster
serial number: DK612159

This 1970s Schwinn is in excellent condition and is all original. It has been completely cleaned and lubed. All bearings are in very good condition and the wheels are true. It rides and shifts smoothly. I have more photos and videos if you would like to see them.
call or text 5%4$0)-9(0)8*-0)7&0)4$

I have a lot of experience with these. I worked at a Schwinn- Raleigh dealership from 69 to 70. These welded Schwinns felt like a lump of rock compared to the lugged and brazed Raleigh Sports. The old timer at the shop explained to me that the Schwinns used softer steel because they were easy to weld and brazed frames had the advantage of using harder, lighter high tensile steel that made them feel more lively. So the Raleigh 20-30 steel would be something like a 10-20 or 10-23 compared to the Schwinn 10-18 or even lower carbon. So the Raleigh light roadsters might be lower tensile compared to chromoly, but next to these, they were actually high tensile.

johnnyspaghetti 09-27-17 06:39 AM

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I paid the asking price & its in better shape than I thought. There are issues with the left side shift controls, I don't know what hardware is suppose to be there.
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https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/r...277071875.html

BigChief 09-27-17 07:04 AM

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Oh good. This is the S5 you want and it has the better bell crank. Originally this bike probably had the same twin stick shifters mounted on the top tube like the Raleigh Sprite. Don't worry about them being missing...they're terrible. Just use a regular 3 speed trigger on the right. The left side bell crank only has two positions, so you have a choice of handlebar mounted shifters. I used a SunTour power shift on my Sprite, but there's other options like only using 2 positions of another 3 speed trigger.

my Sprite
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edit:
I knew I had a picture of this. Here's the bell crank. The cable goes from the shifter to a cable stop mounted on the seat stay.I used a modern pinch bold adapter to connect the cable.
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plympton 09-27-17 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by Scipunk (Post 19889431)
Well no kidding, were down in Massachusetts! We are talking about moving to Maine someday :)

Coastal Maine might as well be Massachusetts [ofcourse it once was] but western Maine is beautiful, slower paced and looonng winters

3speedslow 09-27-17 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by arty dave (Post 19889933)
3 speed slow I have scorcher envy again! I think it was gster last time
Plympton nice tear down pics and cool new find with great chain case font
BC great fix on the brakes

Soooo....has anyone used the 'Raleigh Roadster' tyres? (635 x 40/28 1/2" x 1 1/2") They have a nice tread pattern, do they roll well?

Thanks! Just trying to match up with all the cool bikes I see on this thread.

Not personally but there is someone on a Perth site that has them on his Pashley Guv'nor and gives them high marks for ride, look and price.

bazil4696 09-27-17 08:20 AM

path racer envy
 
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I threw this one together last year, but just didnt like it so much that i had to keep it, so i convertered it back to full fenders and steel rims again so i could sell it. Kept the bluemel tour de france fenders for future consideration, mounted the wheels on another project

3speedslow 09-27-17 10:51 AM

^^ You a tall hombre! Looked like a decent Scorcher. What exactly did not work for you?

BigChief 09-27-17 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by plympton (Post 19890160)
Coastal Maine might as well be Massachusetts [ofcourse it once was] but western Maine is beautiful, slower paced and looonng winters

It's not the winters that bother me about Maine. It's the spring. Takes forever to warm up and when it finally does, the black flies eat you alive.

dweenk 09-27-17 02:29 PM

As I recall, there were four seasons; winter, mud, summer, and a glorious fall.

plympton 09-27-17 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19891368)
It's not the winters that bother me about Maine. It's the spring. Takes forever to warm up and when it finally does, the black flies eat you alive.

Here's a picture of my front lawn.Attachment 582491

johnnyspaghetti 09-27-17 04:10 PM

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BigChief, Thanks for shedding some light on some options. I haven't had time to look anything up today. I'm liking it.
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BigChief 09-27-17 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by plympton (Post 19891572)
Here's a picture of my front lawn.Attachment 582491

Yikes, I didn't think the storm hit down east that hard. Glad you got out OK :rolleyes:

arty dave 09-27-17 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19890044)
I have a lot of experience with these. I worked at a Schwinn- Raleigh dealership from 69 to 70. These welded Schwinns felt like a lump of rock compared to the lugged and brazed Raleigh Sports. The old timer at the shop explained to me that the Schwinns used softer steel because they were easy to weld and brazed frames had the advantage of using harder, lighter high tensile steel that made them feel more lively. So the Raleigh 20-30 steel would be something like a 10-20 or 10-23 compared to the Schwinn 10-18 or even lower carbon. So the Raleigh light roadsters might be lower tensile compared to chromoly, but next to these, they were actually high tensile.

It looks quite different to the American 3 speeds in SirMikes stable. I guess the 70's bikes are from a different era with different values and probably having to compete with cheaper bikes starting to enter the market from Japan. Or was this too early for Japan? I know they had a big export boom during the 70's but not quite sure when that started.

3speedslow thanks for the tip for the Perth guy - I'm looking through his site now, he has some nice bikes including a nicely restored Australian made '65 Malvern Star single speed with 28 x 1 1/2" westwood rims. I'll have to post an image of my '68 Malvern Star sometime. It came with an S5 hub that was obviously set up as a 3 speed from the factory. They must have been short on the standard 3 speed wheels on that assembly day :) They were also starting to be built with shimano 3 speed hubs at this time.

3speedslow 09-27-17 05:36 PM

Arty Dave, looking forward to pics of the Malvern Star. I know they are somewhat of a cult bike over in Australia.

BigChief 09-27-17 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by arty dave (Post 19891773)
It looks quite different to the well made American 3 speeds in SirMikes stable. I guess the 70's bikes are from a different era with different values and probably having to compete with cheaper bikes starting to enter the market from Japan. Or was this too early for Japan? I know they had a big export boom during the 70's but not quite sure when that started.

3speedslow thanks for the tip for the Perth guy - I'm looking through his site now, he has some nice bikes including a nicely restored Australian made '65 Malvern Star single speed with 28 x 1 1/2" westwood rims. I'll have to post an image of my '68 Malvern Star sometime. It came with an S5 hub that was obviously set up as a 3 speed from the factory. They must have been short on the standard 3 speed wheels on that assembly day :) They were also starting to be built with shimano 3 speed hubs at this time.

SirMike's bikes tend to be fillet brazed. More than likely, they were brazed because they used harder steel tubes than the lower grade welded models. I don't know this for a fact, just a guess, but why else would they take the trouble to fillet braze them.

gster 09-27-17 06:05 PM

Krazy 3 Speeds
 
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A guy here in Toronto is selling these 3 speeds. Look like SA hubs and shifters.
Not my style, but I appreciate the work involved.
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gster 09-27-17 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti (Post 19890076)
I paid the asking price & its in better shape than I thought. There are issues with the left side shift controls, I don't know what hardware is suppose to be there.
Attachment 582427
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https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/r...277071875.html

You just need a cable and a stop.
Do you have the dual shifters attached.
These throttle shifters are cool but somewhat rare
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SquidPuppet 09-27-17 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19891800)
I don't know this for a fact, just a guess, but why else would they take the trouble to fillet braze them.

The answer is here. A good read too.

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/varsity.html

I disagree with the lump of rock description. Both of mine roll nicely, absorb bumps and vibration well, handle and steer well, no creaks, and tip the scale at ~26.5 lbs. A quality saddle and tires makes a big difference, but the frames themselves are straight, strong, and reliable.


https://www.pedalroom.com/p/caramel-...r-21856_28.jpg


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