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johnnyspaghetti 02-18-18 02:59 PM

Daytona 500 is live

clubman 02-18-18 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 20175561)
I could not see any name on it. Searching on Brampton shows a font that does not match what this hub looked like. No doubt it's a Sturmey clone but I'll have to go back with a rag and a magnifying glass to find out which one it is. I don't need the bike, and certainly not at that price, but I'd like to know more about it. I'll let you all know what I find out. If it were cheaper I'd be concerned that someone unappreciative might get it, but at that price it's likely to be purchased by someone who needs a classy bike-shaped fixture for a hipster bar or restaurant.

Stylistically, that looks Germanic to me. Possible made for an export market? It's all just a wee bit heavy. And there were SA clones avaiable in that marketplace.

tigervw78 02-18-18 05:36 PM

There are his and her's Superbes on Chicago craigslist. I don't have 10 posts so I can't post URLs yet. Looks like a 23" men's. I'm 7 hours away, or I'd be really interested.

thumpism 02-18-18 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20176591)
Stylistically, that looks Germanic to me. Possible made for an export market? It's all just a wee bit heavy. And there were SA clones avaiable in that marketplace.

Okay, Japan is my guess. I found nothing definitive to indicate that, but it's just a feeling I have. The bike has Araya steel rims, 36H front and rear, and the spokes are laced, something I've found English bikes not to have.
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I think we're going to need @T-Mar to interpret the serial number for us. It's stamped on the left side of the seat lug, YR657. You can also see the distinctive bolt-up seatstay arrangement mentioned by BigChief, and you can also see the top of the rear caliper with its integral cable end sunk into the top of the barrel adjustor.
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The dropouts with the eyelets for the fender stays are very distinctive, also.
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The Sturmey shifter is for a 3 or a 4 speed, in the lowest position it reads B (bottom?) in the window. Still no idea on the rear hub but SunTour made clones and it could be one of them.
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Anyway, that's my take. It's a neat little (19" frame) bike and it should go to a good home. If someone's interested I could facilitate. I will probably check back periodically but unless the price comes down drastically there's no way I could be persuaded to make room for it; we already have five 3-speeds in the house, four of them English and one Swiss.

thumpism 02-18-18 08:23 PM


Originally Posted by tigervw78 (Post 20176776)
There are his and her's Superbes on Chicago craigslist. I don't have 10 posts so I can't post URLs yet. Looks like a 23" men's. I'm 7 hours away, or I'd be really interested.

Good find! Pic assist coming up! Looks like a 23" ladies', too.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/b...496116953.html

RALEIGH SUPERBE - $575

https://images.craigslist.org/00C0C_...0F_600x450.jpg

RALEIGH SUBERBE'S MATCHED PAIR - Men's and Women's
These bikes are completely untouched orginal condition.
Also included in sale is original rear rack for man's bike and NOS period correct handgrips.
Will not separate, must be sold as a pair. These bikes will clean up nicely.
Asking $575 or best for the pair
Please reply with your name and number and I will call you back.

arty dave 02-18-18 08:37 PM

That silver arrow is such a nice bike, great colour too!

Here's an interesting story I came across while researching Philco brakes.

Retro review: transcontinental touring bike from 1914 - Ride Media

It tells of 2 Aussies riding over 3000 km's across Australia (North coast to South coast) in 28 days in 1914 on heavy duty 3 speed roadsters.
There is also a build description of a repro of one of the bikes, so worth a quick look if you're not up for a read - there are some great photos. The adjustable Kelly handlebars are particularly cool.

BigChief 02-18-18 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 20177093)
Good find! Pic assist coming up! Looks like a 23" ladies', too.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/b...496116953.html

RALEIGH SUPERBE - $575

https://images.craigslist.org/00C0C_...0F_600x450.jpg

RALEIGH SUBERBE'S MATCHED PAIR - Men's and Women's
These bikes are completely untouched orginal condition.
Also included in sale is original rear rack for man's bike and NOS period correct handgrips.
Will not separate, must be sold as a pair. These bikes will clean up nicely.
Asking $575 or best for the pair
Please reply with your name and number and I will call you back.

I like these a lot. Somewhere between 69 and 71. These still have the bigger 48T chainrings with V brackets and eyes on the herons. I prefer them to the later versions. They would clean up nice.

Ballenxj 02-18-18 10:16 PM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 20177093)
Good find! Pic assist coming up! Looks like a 23" ladies', too.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/b...496116953.html

RALEIGH SUPERBE - $575

https://images.craigslist.org/00C0C_...0F_600x450.jpg

RALEIGH SUBERBE'S MATCHED PAIR - Men's and Women's
These bikes are completely untouched orginal condition.
Also included in sale is original rear rack for man's bike and NOS period correct handgrips.
Will not separate, must be sold as a pair. These bikes will clean up nicely.
Asking $575 or best for the pair
Please reply with your name and number and I will call you back.

Do those have front hub generators built in?

noglider 02-19-18 12:41 AM

This week, we're visiting my mother in law in Florida, where I keep my Rudge, so I get to ride it. Nudge me if I don't post pictures.

biggs682 02-19-18 12:59 AM

Please see this thread on Cyclechat about mine

https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/my...adster.196906/

BigChief 02-19-18 05:06 AM


Originally Posted by biggs682 (Post 20177418)
Please see this thread on Cyclechat about mine

https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/my...adster.196906/

That is lovely. What a great find. A 50s Lenton. A tall frame too. 8 speed you say? Would that be a FM hub with 2 cogs? Nice.

biggs682 02-19-18 05:13 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20177503)
That is lovely. What a great find. A 50s Lenton. A tall frame too. 8 speed you say? Would that be a FM hub with 2 cogs? Nice.

It was initially but the FM hub started to loose it's fingers and drive so now running a 3 speed hub with 2 cogs , and great fun to ride

thumpism 02-19-18 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 20177285)
Do those have front hub generators built in?

Yes, those do appear to be Dynohubs. Never owned one myself.

BigChief 02-19-18 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by biggs682 (Post 20177506)
It was initially but the FM hub started to loose it's fingers and drive so now running a 3 speed hub with 2 cogs , and great fun to ride

I think that was an excellent solution. The AW hub is one of those amazing products that perform far beyond what you would ever expect. I have AWs that have been operating flawlessly for over 60 years with only basic maintenance. I'd love to see your project as it comes along. What do you have in mind. I assume a Bluemel mudguard for the front. How about drop bars and new paint/transfers? Are they in the picture?

johnnyspaghetti 02-19-18 09:05 AM

I see GH6 on both I'm jumping on a bus but the ad is gone this morning. Could be divorce Drinking

Ballenxj 02-19-18 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 20177564)
Yes, those do appear to be Dynohubs. Never owned one myself.

I haven't seen those in many a year. I had one once in a storage unit full of bicycle part. They would be neat to have today. I guess they were either too complicated to build, or created too much friction, but I have to wonder why there were so few? :foo:

biggs682 02-19-18 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20177630)
I think that was an excellent solution. The AW hub is one of those amazing products that perform far beyond what you would ever expect. I have AWs that have been operating flawlessly for over 60 years with only basic maintenance. I'd love to see your project as it comes along. What do you have in mind. I assume a Bluemel mudguard for the front. How about drop bars and new paint/transfers? Are they in the picture?

Well this is how it looked last time i rode it ie prior to Dec 2017 its due to come back in to daily commuting use once the frosts have finished .

I would love to have it repainted but the Brown is quite tidy all things considered so it will stay as is so as not to draw any attention .

I need to tidy the wiring up and get the dynamo system running again but other than that just general maintenance and abuse .

Salubrious 02-19-18 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 20177793)
I haven't seen those in many a year. I had one once in a storage unit full of bicycle part. They would be neat to have today. I guess they were either too complicated to build, or created too much friction, but I have to wonder why there were so few? :foo:

Actually its a common part. And still made in updated form by Sturmey Archer. There are many alternator hubs in production today- they are common on mountain bike or road bikes where the ability to charge a light or GPS is important.

Ballenxj 02-19-18 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 20178059)
Actually its a common part. And still made in updated form by Sturmey Archer. There are many alternator hubs in production today- they are common on mountain bike or road bikes where the ability to charge a light or GPS is important.

Hmm, haven't seen any? What bikes are they being used on?

clubman 02-19-18 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 20178104)
Hmm, haven't seen any? What bikes are they being used on?

SA currently has 3 or 4 cool dyno hubs listed. Lots of city bike makers use them.

Ballenxj 02-19-18 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20178146)
SA currently has 3 or 4 cool dyno hubs listed. Lots of city bike makers use them.

I'm betting they work really well with led's?

Salubrious 02-19-18 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 20178104)
Hmm, haven't seen any? What bikes are they being used on?

The Raleigh Superbe, such as my 1972 model, is the common go-to for an example.

Raleigh had a number of brands and those brands had equivalent or nearly equivalent models. My '51 Humber Sports (his and hers) are both equipped with Dynohubs. So is my '57 BSA Silver DeLuxe which is a rod brake model. Some model Twentys (a folding bike from the 1970s) were also equipped.

So many of the higher end 3-speeds made after WW2 had the Dynohub lighting.

You can now get LEDs to retro fit older Dynohub lighting systems.

adventurepdx 02-19-18 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 20178104)
Hmm, haven't seen any? What bikes are they being used on?

As @Salubrious mentioned, "all sorts of bikes." It's rare to be a stock item on a factory-made bicycle though. A few companies that make commuter bikes like Breezer have them as an option on their bikes. Otherwise, they are an aftermarket part. Most often, folks need to get a wheel built around a dynohub, but there are some factory made dynohub wheels.

Current dynohub makers are: Sturmey-Archer, Shimano, Sanyo, Shutter Precision, and SON/Schmidt. Yes, your company name has to start with "s" to get in on the action. ;)

I have dynohubs on three of my bikes:
  1. A S-A Dynohub (1968) on my Raleigh Superbe
  2. A Sayno on my Robin Hood path racer
  3. A Shutter Precision on my Bantam

adventurepdx 02-19-18 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 20178155)
I'm betting they work really well with led's?

Yes. Pretty much all modern lights for dynohubs use LEDs. Most also have a "standlight", which is a capacitor that keeps the light on for a short amount of time after the wheel stops turning. (In the past, either the light would go dead, or you had to use a bulky and complex battery system.)

Ballenxj 02-19-18 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 20178171)
Yes. Pretty much all modern lights for dynohubs use LEDs. Most also have a "standlight", which is a capacitor that keeps the light on for a short amount of time after the wheel stops turning. (In the past, either the light would go dead, or you had to use a bulky and complex battery system.)

That would be a big improvement x 2, as the biggest cause of the old mono filament bulbs to burn out was turning them off and on. That had to be a pain back then.

johnnyspaghetti 02-19-18 01:38 PM

Go Dead. I'm jumping on a bus.

BigChief 02-19-18 02:24 PM

This bus is bound for lighting...gonna do myself some midnight riding...

clubman 02-19-18 02:52 PM

I'd suspect so.

IEthatsME 02-20-18 12:33 AM

We sold a Herald to buy the TR6.

BigChief 02-20-18 05:21 AM

Usually, it's the other way around. Young people would get married and out went the sports car and in came the mundane sedan.


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