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Buellster 12-24-18 10:34 AM

Very excited to see more pics of this bike! ^
Also hear about what a cyclone hub is.

on an unrelated query, has anyone ever converted a Sprite mixte to a three speed? There is one for a good price nearby and it's a 25"! Which is crazy to me. I've always wanted a mixte and they are NEVER in my size. I thought it could be a good candidate for my hub if all works out with the new shifter.
if not I have a 3 speed I could put in. Would the Sprite take 700c tires?

BigChief 12-24-18 10:58 AM

This looks like a very interesting bike. The Cyclo wasn't a factory option, but a popular aftermarket accessory of that time. Very cool. From the head tube pic I see that it is a pre 1955 style frame and 23". Both rare and desirable features. I'm looking forward to more pictures too.

Johno59 12-24-18 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20717137)
That's difficult for me to imagine, but I suppose it's similar in a way to my preference to manual transmissions in cars.

Surfing possesses a similar connecivity that gives a similar buzz. You zip along on a few kgs of foam with little effort and a sense of being harnessed to a greater power. All is good if you stay in the groove, step out of the groove and hundreds of tons of water can rearrange your day big time

raleighroadster 12-24-18 01:37 PM

Superbe for $75? Offering $50 on Wednesday!
 
Superbe for $75? Thinking this would make a good parts bike. The superbe I bought last week had a bent pedal spindle, fortunately on the non chainring side. And I need a seatpost for a brooks saddle I picked up!
While down south visiting family, driving a rental ford expedition with lots of carry capacity, I decided to look at the ads. Found this woman’s superbe for $75. That child carrier is $170 new. Bike has been for sale for a week, will offer $50.https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1fbe18e09b.pnghttps://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d2b8756bf3.png
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0a1b274672.png
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f7f4bcbffd.png

BigChief 12-24-18 09:14 PM

Lots of good parts there. A good deal for 50. Looks to be a 72. Good looking 32/40 spoke Raleigh pattern wheels with a front Dyno. Nice. Lamps good for a late 60s early 70s Superbe. Can't see if the fork lamp cable clamps are there. The Brooks looks iffy though. I wouldn't count it. Yuk, auto adjust levers and 46T chainring

thumpism 12-24-18 09:47 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20717396)
This looks like a very interesting bike. The Cyclo wasn't a factory option, but a popular aftermarket accessory of that time. Very cool. From the head tube pic I see that it is a pre 1955 style frame and 23". Both rare and desirable features. I'm looking forward to more pictures too.

I'll post a pic of my NIB Cyclo Benelux 3-speed (makes a 3 into a 9, and would probably make a 5 into a 15--has anyone done this?) conversion kit.

thumpism 12-24-18 10:01 PM


Originally Posted by Johno59 (Post 20717090)
The beauty of it is when the monster is compelled to halt at a red light you are free to zoom up and away and get a shot of dopamine as the monster is forced to pause. On the next block you return to the clutches of the beast and the cycle repeats.

All very eloquently put, and not to judge too harshly but I hope you were stopping at those same lights, at least briefly. If not, you're damned lucky that monster didn't squash your ass.

roughrider504 12-24-18 10:32 PM

I picked this up in January and haven't touched it since.. time flies. Pulled a shifter out of the bin and found the brake pads I ordered a while back.


It wasn't very happy going through the gears on the stand. It definitely could have ridden, but not happily. Since it's a Sturmey, the obvious answer is to add oil until it works! Right?


I did wonder why a 1960 hub was on an 80's DL - it was broken. I was almost excited, I've never had a broken AW! I dug through my parts bin like a kid on Christmas. Can't wait to get some tires and put some miles on it.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c183fa5f75.jpg

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f084336b17.jpg

Johno59 12-25-18 03:50 AM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 20718069)
All very eloquently put, and not to judge too harshly but I hope you were stopping at those same lights, at least briefly. If not, you're damned lucky that monster didn't squash your ass.

In my experience if you run red lights on a bicycle as a job in a big city you will not survive. Folks do it all the time once or twice each day commuting to work and get away with it. Do it a hundred times in a day for work and I doubt you'd survive a week. City intersections are too big and many frustrated folks drive very aggressively. One thing we used to reflect on back at the bike pool, whilst we awaited for the next job, was the sobering fact that every day you always saw a 'civilian' under a car - usually a well dressed suited and booted city worker. Most likely jay walking or crossing against the lights.
My dopamine shot referred to passing all the stuck vehicles as you zipped passed them up to the next intersection. Hopefully you timed it to go green when you arrived. Do the same route thousands of times and you get to know the timing of the traffic signals. If not, you balanced for a few seconds at the head of the beast and off again from the front.

BigChief 12-25-18 04:44 AM


Originally Posted by roughrider504 (Post 20718103)
I picked this up in January and haven't touched it since.. time flies. Pulled a shifter out of the bin and found the brake pads I ordered a while back.


It wasn't very happy going through the gears on the stand. It definitely could have ridden, but not happily. Since it's a Sturmey, the obvious answer is to add oil until it works! Right?


I did wonder why a 1960 hub was on an 80's DL - it was broken. I was almost excited, I've never had a broken AW! I dug through my parts bin like a kid on Christmas. Can't wait to get some tires and put some miles on it.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c183fa5f75.jpg

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f084336b17.jpg

I've never run across crunched planet gears before, but there they are. The pins are placed in backwards. I wonder if that could have anything to do with it.

gster 12-25-18 09:08 AM

Christmas Morning
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8a565a9ccb.jpg
I didn't get a bike for Christmas but I did get a couple of paintings of bikes!
The boy could have been me back in 1967 and the girl....
Marcia Brady?
All the girls back then wanted that straight blonde hair.
They used to iron their hair on an ironing board.

gster 12-25-18 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by Johno59 (Post 20717090)
Long before the latest iteration of hipsters, fixed wheel bikes were used as path racers as they were more efficient in getting power to where rubber meets the road. Before the fax machine much urgent/ legal/ confidential printed documents passing around major cities throughout the world used bike couriers to deliver their documentation in a fast efficient manner. All of these bikes were fixed wheel. Forty years ago when I was doing it the reason we used fixed in heavy traffic was it was safer. Certainly it was the most efficient method of travel but it was the safety bit that was most compelling reason.
On a fixed bike you tend to go fast and the pressure on your legs at all times constantly reminds you of the momentum you have and the consequences if you hit or are hit by the ground, car or pedestrian. You tend to keep up with the traffic and needless to say you are constantly aware the whole flow of moving objects weighing thousands of tons will not tolerate a 25 lb bicycle obstructing the flow. The pressure on your legs tends to remind you of this overwhelming force surrounding you and your primeval survival instincts conditions you to understand the traffic is meanest SOB in the valley and you will die if you tempt fate.
The beauty of it is when the monster is compelled to halt at a red light you are free to zoom up and away and get a shot of dopamine as the monster is forced to pause. On the next block you return to the clutches of the beast and the cycle repeats.
Do this a hundred times a day, week in, week out and any other way feels weird and dangerously disconnected and rightly so.

Well written.
I'm glad to have stirred the pot.

gster 12-25-18 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by roughrider504 (Post 20718103)
I picked this up in January and haven't touched it since.. time flies. Pulled a shifter out of the bin and found the brake pads I ordered a while back.


It wasn't very happy going through the gears on the stand. It definitely could have ridden, but not happily. Since it's a Sturmey, the obvious answer is to add oil until it works! Right?


I did wonder why a 1960 hub was on an 80's DL - it was broken. I was almost excited, I've never had a broken AW! I dug through my parts bin like a kid on Christmas. Can't wait to get some tires and put some miles on it.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c183fa5f75.jpg

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f084336b17.jpg

I've never seen those parts fail....
I had a mangled sun gear once that was caused (I believe) from an overtightend hub.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8fca975333.jpg

gster 12-25-18 09:25 AM

My Dad Bought Me a Bike

Back in 1965 or so, my Dad bought me a bike. It was probably a Supercycle bought at the old Canadian Tire on Dundas. It looked something like this one.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...afe2a34f2a.jpg
Single speed with a coaster brake.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1c626de651.jpg
Even at $40.00 (1967 price), using the inflation calculator, it would equal about $320.00 today or close to half a week’s pay….

I liked my bike very much but by 1967 I really wanted one of these.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e2393ad1c0.jpg


My dad and I went back to Canadian Tire, not to buy a new bike but to buy the accessories to convert my bike.

He repainted the frame in a nice sparkle finish green, added the ape hanger bars, new sparkle grips, a banana seat, sissy bar and perhaps monkey fenders.

The re styled bike was promptly stolen by some kid at school. We never locked our bikes back then. Somehow my Dad tracked it down and we went to this kid’s house to retrieve it. I’m not sure how my Dad found it or what happened to this bike afterwards, but I obviously out grew it and moved on to a bigger 10 speed.

Thanks Dad.

JohnDThompson 12-25-18 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20718413)
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f084336b17.jpg
I've never seen those parts fail....
I had a mangled sun gear once that was caused (I believe) from an overtightend hub.

They seem to fail more readily on newer hubs (70s and newer), where the planets seem to be made out of pot-metal.

markk900 12-25-18 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20718423)
My Dad Bought Me a Bike

Back in 1965 or so, my Dad bought me a bike. It was probably a Supercycle bought at the old Canadian Tire on Dundas. It looked something like this one.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...afe2a34f2a.jpg
Single speed with a coaster brake.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1c626de651.jpg
Even at $40.00 (1967 price), using the inflation calculator, it would equal about $320.00 today or close to half a week’s pay….

I liked my bike very much but by 1967 I really wanted one of these.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e2393ad1c0.jpg


My dad and I went back to Canadian Tire, not to buy a new bike but to buy the accessories to convert my bike.

He repainted the frame in a nice sparkle finish green, added the ape hanger bars, new sparkle grips, a banana seat, sissy bar and perhaps monkey fenders.

The re styled bike was promptly stolen by some kid at school. We never locked our bikes back then. Somehow my Dad tracked it down and we went to this kid’s house to retrieve it. I’m not sure how my Dad found it or what happened to this bike afterwards, but I obviously out grew it and moved on to a bigger 10 speed.

Thanks Dad.

@gster: I too had the red coaster (26" wheels not the 24" wheel model).....flipped the bars and my friends and I "raced"....then I too *had* to have a banana bike - mine was from Eatons - here's a catalog picture of almost exactly my bike (I had a gold sparkle seat)....I really wanted a slick on the back to make use of all that SA 3 speed power!
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3704a76003.jpg

gster 12-25-18 01:56 PM

1953 BSA Update
Took another pass at the BSA
I've replaced the back wheel with a 1965 that I had in the shed.
The '61 it came with was warped and a bit rusty.
The other '61 I put on was clean but warped beyond fixing.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2d0f0d4035.jpg
I also added a new shifter cable, raised the seat a bit and turned down the bars.
The bike rides and shifts nicely with a 20T cog on the back.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f52a401360.jpg

Still to do:
Replace chain
Replace the plastic grips with a set of the rubber Raleighs I like.

BigChief 12-25-18 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by JohnDThompson (Post 20718511)
They seem to fail more readily on newer hubs (70s and newer), where the planets seem to be made out of pot-metal.

That must mean they were cast. I didn't know that, but it doesn't surprise me. Another bad idea from the 70s. It certainly explains this failure.

gster 12-25-18 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 20718586)
@gster: I too had the red coaster (26" wheels not the 24" wheel model).....flipped the bars and my friends and I "raced"....then I too *had* to have a banana bike - mine was from Eatons - here's a catalog picture of almost exactly my bike (I had a gold sparkle seat)....I really wanted a slick on the back to make use of all that SA 3 speed power!
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3704a76003.jpg

I like how the ad states gold or lime...no choice.

BigChief 12-25-18 08:13 PM

I brought the old Rudge with me on a Florida visit. Flat land here, no hills at all. This bike is heavy for a Sports. Right now, It's geared 48x20 and works well for flat country. I ride in Normal and use low for headwinds. High is a bit uncomfortable, at least for me. I haven't been using it. Cruising in high gear is very comfortable on my 48x20 stripped down Rudge scorcher, so the extra weight makes quite a difference. I cruise around slower on this one. If I had hills to climb, I'd go all the way to a 24T cog on this bike. Very pleasant ride though. Just more sedate. In keeping with it's more formal character.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...474e21ed09.jpg

gster 12-25-18 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20718943)
I brought the old Rudge with me on a Florida visit. Flat land here, no hills at all. This bike is heavy for a Sports. Right now, It's geared 48x20 and works well for flat country. I ride in Normal and use low for headwinds. High is a bit uncomfortable, at least for me. I haven't been using it. Cruising in high gear is very comfortable on my 48x20 stripped down Rudge scorcher, so the extra weight makes quite a difference. I cruise around slower on this one. If I had hills to climb, I'd go all the way to a 24T cog on this bike. Very pleasant ride though. Just more sedate. In keeping with it's more formal character.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...474e21ed09.jpg

A Classic Black Beauty

Rollfast 12-25-18 11:05 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20718934)
I like how the ad states gold or lime...no choice.

I don't see any disappointment on those kids' faces. Those are wicked kewl!

Rollfast 12-25-18 11:07 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20718943)
I brought the old Rudge with me on a Florida visit. Flat land here, no hills at all. This bike is heavy for a Sports. Right now, It's geared 48x20 and works well for flat country. I ride in Normal and use low for headwinds. High is a bit uncomfortable, at least for me. I haven't been using it. Cruising in high gear is very comfortable on my 48x20 stripped down Rudge scorcher, so the extra weight makes quite a difference. I cruise around slower on this one. If I had hills to climb, I'd go all the way to a 24T cog on this bike. Very pleasant ride though. Just more sedate. In keeping with it's more formal character.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...474e21ed09.jpg

Stately and quite charming. Thank you for sharing it with us!

Rollfast 12-25-18 11:09 PM

I'm sorry if I'm out of the loop but it has been 11 months and a week since Sixty Fiver was on BF and I miss his presence a lot.

Dan Burkhart 12-26-18 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20718423)
My Dad Bought Me a Bike

Back in 1965 or so, my Dad bought me a bike. It was probably a Supercycle bought at the old Canadian Tire on Dundas. It looked something like this one.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...afe2a34f2a.jpg
Single speed with a coaster….

That looks nearly identical to the bike I got in the mid 60s when I was 12 or 13 years old.I remember it as a big deal that it had 28" wheels. I rode that bike to all my summer jobs through high school, I do not remember what store chain it came from, might have been Western Auto. (remember them?)

Dan Burkhart 12-26-18 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by Rollfast (Post 20719049)
I'm sorry if I'm out of the loop but it has been 11 months and a week since Sixty Fiver was on BF and I miss his presence a lot.

I can tell you he is alive and well if that makes you feel better.

Buellster 12-26-18 03:22 PM

Thought someone in here may appriciate these. They aren't the gentlemens black but if you need some classic pedals these would definitely do the job.
White pedals
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F233030162129

52telecaster 12-26-18 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by Dan Burkhart (Post 20719216)
That looks nearly identical to the bike I got in the mid 60s when I was 12 or 13 years old.I remember it as a big deal that it had 28" wheels. I rode that bike to all my summer jobs through high school, I do not remember what store chain it came from, might have been Western Auto. (remember them?)

I do remember western auto. I had a fake stingray from them.

Ged117 12-26-18 04:36 PM

1950 Raleigh Update
 
Hello all,
I've put together some photos. 1950 Raleigh with AG hub and lighting system relatively intact. I'm planning to disassemble down to the frame and service the hubs and bottom bracket. It has sat for decades. I'll use some product to bring out the luster in the paint and polish the chrome parts as I remove and catalogue them. Suggestions for the process are welcome. The 23 inch frame was a nice surprise and the colour is fantastic.

I'm not sure about the Cyclo derailleur - whether I want to keep it on or not. I've put together a list of items including a 22t cog and tires etc at Harris Cyclery. I've rubbed some proofhide onto the B66 but just a little. What do you recommend for it? All your thoughts and ideas are welcome. The rear tire is an original Dunlop. The front is a later Japanese brand. I was thinking the cream delta cruisers.https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c3f8a78858.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...40749073fe.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c32e5af8cf.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8c061d25ea.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...038d615a98.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5973d4c529.jpg

Ged117 12-26-18 04:44 PM

1950 Raleigh
 
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...05594bfab0.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5e948b5c6f.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9bfedc6d6e.jpg

Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 20719851)
My earlier post on 1950 Raleigh

A few more photos:
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0221ba745d.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bc8ff33242.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f30e8c45f7.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7b2eba1a86.jpg


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