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gster 09-21-19 10:17 AM

Done for now
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...943ac653e2.jpg

jackbombay 09-21-19 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21132022)

I love that fork!

Nice work on the clean up!

Bomarc 09-22-19 04:45 AM

Your Humber cleaned up really nicely - looks great! Humbers seem uncommon, any idea if it was sold here new?

gster 09-22-19 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by Bomarc (Post 21132808)
Your Humber cleaned up really nicely - looks great! Humbers seem uncommon, any idea if it was sold here new?

Yes, as Clubman pointed out, the serial number ending with RC indicates a bike shipped
to Canada.

Bomarc 09-22-19 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21132862)
Yes, as Clubman pointed out, the serial number ending with RC indicates a bike shipped
to Canada.

So no backstory/insight from the seller?

gster 09-22-19 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by Bomarc (Post 21132892)
So no backstory/insight from the seller?

No,
he's a bit of a hoarder and finds bikes/vintage stereos at garage sales.
I bought a vintage turntable as well.
I've made up my own story about the bike.

The bike was purchased by a young man in the mid 1950's who was very serious
about cycling. The bike was more expensive that the other 3 speeds on the floor
but he decided it was worth it.
The bike was ridden and raced for several years but as his life
got more complicated he rode it less and less and it was relegated
to the basement.
Over time some of the original parts went missing.
The trigger, the saddle and one of the brake calipers.
By now it was the mid 1970's and the bike was either sold
or given a makeover for his son.
A new vinyl saddle was installed, new tires as well as a Norco speedometer.
The bike was ok but it was old and wasn't a 10 speed.
Back it went to the basement....
Forty years later, the man died and his family had to clear out his house.
By now the bike had been sitting for so long that
it really looked like a piece of junk and it was sold at
a garage/estate sale for $10.00.
The buyer, Gary, knew it was worth something but didn't have
the skills to restore it.
He placed an ad on Kijiji and that's how I found it.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bf6b63a0da.jpg
We are not so much owners of all this stuff but custodians.
All in all a very nice project.
I stopped in to see George at Parts Unknown yesterday to show
off the bike and also got a pump clamp to finish it off.
Despite being a large frame, the size is deceptive as
the angles are quite slack.

Bomarc 09-22-19 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21132950)
No,
he's a bit of a hoarder and finds bikes/vintage stereos at garage sales.
I bought a vintage turntable as well.
I've made up my own story about the bike.

The bike was purchased by a young man in the mid 1950's who was very serious
about cycling. The bike was more expensive that the other 3 speeds on the floor
but he decided it was worth it.
The bike was ridden and raced for several years but as his life
got more complicated he rode it less and less and it was relegated
to the basement.
Over time some of the original parts went missing.
The trigger, the saddle and one of the brake calipers.
By now it was the mid 1970's and the bike was either sold
or given a makeover for his son.
A new vinyl saddle was installed, new tires as well as a Norco speedometer.
The bike was ok but it was old and wasn't a 10 speed.
Back it went to the basement....
Forty years later, the man died and his family had to clear out his house.
By now the bike had been sitting for so long that
it really looked like a piece of junk and it was sold at
a garage/estate sale for $10.00.
The buyer, Gary, knew it was worth something but didn't have
the skills to restore it.
He placed an ad on Kijiji and that's how I found it.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bf6b63a0da.jpg
We are not so much owners of all this stuff but custodians.
All in all a very nice project.
I stopped in to see George at Parts Unknown yesterday to show
off the bike and also got a pump clamp to finish it off.
Despite being a large frame, the size is deceptive as
the angles are quite slack.

And now its in the care of an enthusiast that realizes its value and can enjoy it as much as the original owner. Well done.

gster 09-22-19 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by Bomarc (Post 21132974)
And now its in the care of an enthusiast that realizes its value and can enjoy it as much as the original owner. Well done.

Thank you. I'll probably enjoy looking at it more than riding it as it doesn't
really suit my geometry.....
I may put it on display at a bike shop up the street.

ryansu 09-22-19 12:54 PM

I love a good bike story even a made up one, I once went to a garage sale and a nice but over priced ladies Schwinn world sport and made up a story about Wanda the World sport and her adventures as a college bike, I posited that it was over priced because she told her husband it could go in the sale but she didn't really want to part with a happy piece of her past

Iron Horse 09-22-19 05:36 PM

A little different.
 
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f1600e1ae6.jpg

Got a new toy!
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4a648439f8.jpg

Hmmm. What could it be?
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6d3745a5c5.jpg

Oooo! Purdy!
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e1b6d9035d.jpg

Some assembly required, batteries not included....
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...65b78ccfdd.jpg

All done! Raleigh Tourist 2018
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2378d08683.jpg

Sturmey Archer powered.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...eb58157d8e.jpg

These were a challenge to set up, having never done disk brakes before.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5bd0a32eb0.jpg

Nice leather seat.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...83563a946d.jpg

And name brand bell.

I realize this is neither vintage or collectable, but it looked cool, so I bought one. It is a three speed, and "english," so thought I would share and post here. My apologies if out of place.
Shakedown ride was tonight after 2 weeks of off and on assembly. Items noted. It needs to be geared down some. Not as bad as traditional AW geared hubs, but just a bit. I can cruise in high gear on the flats, but it's a workout. Any hill at all, and you are downshifting. The frame is too tall for me. Zero clearance standing over the frame. Bike shop was the one who suggested getting this size frame. Oh well, I'll just have to be careful. Bike looks to have originally designed with a one piece crank and changed to a sealed bottom bracket as an afterthought. It weighs about as much as my 69 sears three speed, so not too bad. Regearing will take care of most of that. Having never messed with disk brakes before, this was a bit of a challenge. I ended up after much fiddling and growling using a small dim flashlight held betwixt my toes shining up through the disk so that I could make small adjustments (make too big of adjustments, and the thing moves all over the place...grrr.) and get the allen screws tight with there still being light shining through on either side of the disk.

Hey, it worked...

The cables all need to be shortened by around 6 to 8 inches or so, but that is easy enough to do. One neat thing, the pedals are overhaulable! They were waaaay tight, so I took off the threaded aluminum caps to find a jam nut, washer and cone with 6 sides on the top for a socket. Sweet! All better now with a little adjustment.

Anyhoo, thought I would share my new toy with everyone.
Hope everyone had a good weekend!

Ged117 09-23-19 08:49 AM

I like that shade of green. It looks very similar to my bike painted the Raleigh Green of 1950.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cdf0fe81fa.jpghttps://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fe6f8652f7.jpg

gster 09-23-19 09:12 AM

Humber Sports

I think my bike

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...84800e7f39.jpg
is essentially this bike with Humber specific fittings
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f2ca36049f.jpg

Ballenxj 09-23-19 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by Iron Horse (Post 21133640)
<-------->

I realize this is neither vintage or collectable, but it looked cool, so I bought one. It is a three speed, and "english," so thought I would share and post here. My apologies if out of place.
<-------->
Anyhoo, thought I would share my new toy with everyone.
Hope everyone had a good weekend!

I think it's kind of COOL! I didn't realize Raleigh was still making 3 speeds, and a modernized one at that. Let us know how you like it. :thumb:

curbtender 09-23-19 10:14 AM

I see they have the shifter mounted under the brake lever. I wonder how well that worked.

Ged117 09-23-19 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21134396)
Humber Sports

I think my bike

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...84800e7f39.jpg
is essentially this bike with Humber specific fittings
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f2ca36049f.jpg

I wish we could order one of those new. I'm trying to figure out a course of action regarding my Clubman Peugeot project. I currently have a 40h 1953 Sturmey FW four speed, alloy shell hub awaiting a rebuild. The original plan was to build it into a new set of 700c wheels, like a Velocity Dyad (available in 40h) for my Peugeot A08 after I reset the dropouts. The bike would be used for city commuting, day rides into the countryside along paths and roads, and all bad weather riding (I have studded winter tires in 700c). However, a guy I know at a local shop has some original Rigida 700c alloy wheelsets in 36h. They would be more 'correct' for my Peugeot, but perhaps not appropriate for tough, long term use. I do have a 36h 1979 AW hub awaiting a rebuild that I could use with the Rigida rim, but I think a Clubman style bike deserves a 'cool' hub from the era if possible, and a four-speed. The AW I could use for parts for either my AG or FW later on.

I love the way they mounted the front headlights on the Club bikes. If I decide on a generator hub for the Peugeot front wheel build, maybe I'll try and do that with a modern lighting system.

nlerner 09-23-19 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 21134513)
I wish we could order one of those new. I'm trying to figure out a course of action regarding my Clubman Peugeot project. I currently have a 40h 1953 Sturmey FW four speed, alloy shell hub awaiting a rebuild. The original plan was to build it into a new set of 700c wheels, like a Velocity Dyad (available in 40h) for my Peugeot A08 after I reset the dropouts. The bike would be used for city commuting, day rides into the countryside along paths and roads, and all bad weather riding (I have studded winter tires in 700c). However, a guy I know at a local shop has some original Rigida 700c alloy wheelsets in 36h. They would be more 'correct' for my Peugeot, but perhaps not appropriate for tough, long term use. I do have a 36h 1979 AW hub awaiting a rebuild that I could use with the Rigida rim, but I think a Clubman style bike deserves a 'cool' hub from the era if possible, and a four-speed. The AW I could use for parts for either my AG or FW later on.

Another possibility is to use a Rigida 40-hole 650B rim, currently sold by xxcyle.com in France. I just built one up with a 40-hole alloy shell AW hub though it might end up with different internals at some point.

JaccoW 09-23-19 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 21134769)
Another possibility is to use a Rigida 40-hole 650B rim, currently sold by xxcyle.com in France. I just built one up with a 40-hole alloy shell AW hub though it might end up with different internals at some point.

That would be a good option... were it not for them not selling it anymore. :(

Cet article n'est plus commercialisé !
"This article is no longer sold!"

40H rims are really rare nowadays.

I've found the Japanese Grand Bois with their 700C Papillon 40H with single eyelets and the accompanying 700C Papillon 28/32/36H for the front with double eyelets.
Also available in 650B: 28/32/36H and 40H.

Quite spendy though at around €70 each + shipping.

Ged117 09-23-19 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by JaccoW (Post 21134924)
That would be a good option... were it not for them not selling it anymore. :(

"This article is no longer sold!"

40H rims are really rare nowadays.

I've found the Japanese Grand Bois with their 700C Papillon 40H with single eyelets and the accompanying 700C Papillon 28/32/36H for the front with double eyelets.
Also available in 650B: 28/32/36H and 40H.

Quite spendy though at around €70 each + shipping.

Thanks Nlerner and JaccoW. It was a few days of indecision. I'm not terribly concerned with the bike not having French wheels. I'd like to keep the Mafac brakes, which I understand wouldn't have the required longer reach were I to convert the bike to 650b. The velocity dyad 700c is not cheap, but I plan to keep this one for the long haul as my beat-around four-season commuter. I'm attached to that '53 FW alloy hub - I think it'll look really awesome laced to new wheels. 40h certainly is disappearing, which is a shame since so many of the old Sturmey hubs are 40h. There is an FC close-ratio four speed on eBay right now for a lotta money...

Ged117 09-23-19 02:15 PM

In other news, today I took apart the Dynoluxe light system from the '50 Superbe. It is the one where you can either use the generator function, or switch to the batteries when stopped. It is powered by the AG. Anybody have experience with these? I plan to clean the contacts, add a little dielectric grease, find some bulbs, and see what happens. Bulb recommendations are somewhere in this thread. I'll find em.

This was inside the headlight:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/rz...w1156-h1540-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/3c...w1156-h1540-no


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Y7...w2054-h1540-nohttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/gn...w1156-h1540-no

nlerner 09-23-19 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by JaccoW (Post 21134924)
That would be a good option... were it not for them not selling it anymore. :(

Ah, sorry about that! I do see that Velocity is making a 650B caliper-brake compatible rim in 40-hole drilling:

https://www.velocityusa.com/product/...liffhanger-584

Only comes in black, however, and about $67 per rim in the US.

jackbombay 09-23-19 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by Iron Horse (Post 21133640)

I realize this is neither vintage or collectable, but it looked cool, so I bought one. It is a three speed, and "english," so thought I would share and post here. My apologies if out of place.
Shakedown ride was tonight after 2 weeks of off and on assembly. Items noted. It needs to be geared down some. Not as bad as traditional AW geared hubs, but just a bit. I can cruise in high gear on the flats, but it's a workout. Any hill at all, and you are downshifting. The frame is too tall for me. Zero clearance standing over the frame. Bike shop was the one who suggested getting this size frame. Oh well, I'll just have to be careful. Bike looks to have originally designed with a one piece crank and changed to a sealed bottom bracket as an afterthought. It weighs about as much as my 69 sears three speed, so not too bad. Regearing will take care of most of that. Having never messed with disk brakes before, this was a bit of a challenge. I ended up after much fiddling and growling using a small dim flashlight held betwixt my toes shining up through the disk so that I could make small adjustments (make too big of adjustments, and the thing moves all over the place...grrr.) and get the allen screws tight with there still being light shining through on either side of the disk.

Hey, it worked...

The cables all need to be shortened by around 6 to 8 inches or so, but that is easy enough to do. One neat thing, the pedals are overhaulable! They were waaaay tight, so I took off the threaded aluminum caps to find a jam nut, washer and cone with 6 sides on the top for a socket. Sweet! All better now with a little adjustment.

Anyhoo, thought I would share my new toy with everyone.
Hope everyone had a good weekend!

I like it!

What sized rims and tires?

Bomarc 09-23-19 06:13 PM

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...25186106c.jpeg

Polished Velocity Atlas
Velocity also makes Atlas in polished finish and the site says they come in 700c 40 hole. If you can live without the 40 hole alloy FW (I couldn't either), Universal Cycles has unpolished Atlas 700c in 36 hole for $72 USD.

clubman 09-23-19 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21134396)
Humber Sports

I think my bike
is essentially this bike with Humber specific fittings

Perhaps this one from '54 in the Canadian catalogue on Kurt's Headbadge site.

Just one down from the 531 models.
http://www.kurtkaminer.com/1954raleighcat_can_06_lg.jpg

bluesteak 09-23-19 06:28 PM

Velocity rims
 
I have a velocity rim on the rear wheel of our tandem. No exactly classic, but a great choice for how you want to use the bike.

I have a fork I am taking off a 55 Hercules to put on my 52 Hercules tourist. The donor fork was repainted red and I am trying to remove the red paint and flat black primer to get down to the factory black paint. Is this a fools errand? Does anyone have any experience doing this?

Ballenxj 09-23-19 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by jackbombay (Post 21135282)
I like it!

What sized rims and tires?

According to this amazon ad, 700x45c.
https://www.amazon.com/Raleigh-Bikes.../dp/B07BBPKD83

paulb_in_bkln 09-23-19 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 21134513)
I wish we could order one of those new. I'm trying to figure out a course of action regarding my Clubman Peugeot project. I currently have a 40h 1953 Sturmey FW four speed, alloy shell hub awaiting a rebuild. The original plan was to build it into a new set of 700c wheels, like a Velocity Dyad (available in 40h) for my Peugeot A08 after I reset the dropouts. The bike would be used for city commuting, day rides into the countryside along paths and roads, and all bad weather riding (I have studded winter tires in 700c). However, a guy I know at a local shop has some original Rigida 700c alloy wheelsets in 36h. They would be more 'correct' for my Peugeot, but perhaps not appropriate for tough, long term use. I do have a 36h 1979 AW hub awaiting a rebuild that I could use with the Rigida rim, but I think a Clubman style bike deserves a 'cool' hub from the era if possible, and a four-speed. The AW I could use for parts for either my AG or FW later on.

I love the way they mounted the front headlights on the Club bikes. If I decide on a generator hub for the Peugeot front wheel build, maybe I'll try and do that with a modern lighting system.

So Sun Ringle is no longer bringing in the 40 hole version of their CR18 650a rim. So much for those AW hubs I've been stockpiling. I'd call this extremely bad news.

BigChief 09-24-19 04:27 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21132022)

What a nice and rare bike. I couldn't resist this project either. I too have trouble riding drop bars. I end up on the tops where there just isn't enough control. Still, one more great old Brit being rescued and back on the road is very satisfying. Good job.

irideiam 09-24-19 05:14 AM

Nice!

nlerner 09-24-19 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 21135384)
So Sun Ringle is no longer bringing in the 40 hole version of their CR18 650a rim. So much for those AW hubs I've been stockpiling. I'd call this extremely bad news.

Looks like those are readily available:

https://www.thebikeshopstore.com/cat...oaAuIfEALw_wcB

gster 09-24-19 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21135794)
What a nice and rare bike. I couldn't resist this project either. I too have trouble riding drop bars. I end up on the tops where there just isn't enough control. Still, one more great old Brit being rescued and back on the road is very satisfying. Good job.

Thanks BC!
Truth is I almost passed on this one when I got there to see it.
It was in such a sad shape that I thought I'd just be getting a frame out
of the deal.
You really have to respect that British chrome.
A vinegar soak and a brass brush did wonders.
The seller has contacted me re: a prototype SA 3 speed hub
w/ a 5 cog hub that he has access to from the inventor's son.
I'm waiting to hear back from him.


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