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Salubrious 01-31-22 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 22393297)
IIRC, the simplified Heron chainrings didn't show up until 1973-74ish.

-Kurt

!972 is the transition year.

SirMike1983 01-31-22 08:48 PM

We're in the middle of winter here. I'm doing some routine maintenance and adding retro LED lights to my three speeds. Here is a 1960s Schwinn Racer and a 1950 Schwinn Superior in for routine cleaning and to get the LED lights installed.

https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...admmW_PJ=s2791

thumpism 02-04-22 07:54 AM

You in CT? Buy this Savoy for $40!

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...31878187275018

https://scontent.fric1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...vA&oe=6201AE34

2fat2fly 02-05-22 11:09 PM

Isn't Savoy a Japanese brand? That looks like a Shimano rear hub, I see a black left dust cover.
I seem to remember Savoy being somehow related to the Royce Union brand bikes in the 70's?
I had one years ago that I trash picked, I should have left it where I found it. Super heavy, cheap looking unilug headtube, Shimano 333 rear hub, off brand brakes that bent the first time I used them, and rims and chrome bits that rusted in minutes in the rain.

clubman 02-06-22 05:53 AM


Originally Posted by brianhamp (Post 22400487)
Hubs in boxes

Wow, quite a collection Brian. I feel better, knowing I'm not the only guy with more hubs than I'll ever need.

nlerner 02-06-22 06:34 AM

That’s alotta hubs! Nice!

markk900 02-06-22 09:22 AM

While this is none of my f'n business, having had to unfortunately deal with 4 estates in the past 2 years, I hope all of the folks that have amassed such amazing collections of parts have a *written* plan for what to do with them in the event of their passing on. I can tell you through personal experience it is not easy as the executor who may not be involved in a hobby/vocation as deeply as the deceased to do justice to distributing years of collected treasures. And when dealing with the grief of losing a loved one decisions such as "toss it all out" are far too common.

gster 02-06-22 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 22400520)
Thatís alotta hubs! Nice!

(A) Whole Lotta Hubs
Led Zepplin 1969
Great song

thumpism 02-07-22 08:40 PM

Raleigh Clubman 23" for $100 in VA. I see wingnuts and chrome socks and...

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...14189133177902

https://scontent.fric1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...Mw&oe=62063C73

Chuck M 02-07-22 09:31 PM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 22400661)
While this is none of my f'n business, having had to unfortunately deal with 4 estates in the past 2 years, I hope all of the folks that have amassed such amazing collections of parts have a *written* plan for what to do with them in the event of their passing on. I can tell you through personal experience it is not easy as the executor who may not be involved in a hobby/vocation as deeply as the deceased to do justice to distributing years of collected treasures. And when dealing with the grief of losing a loved one decisions such as "toss it all out" are far too common.

I picked up a bike this weekend I offered $40 for in correspondence. When I went to look at it I offered $50 and the lady was quite happy. The way I look at it is my kids and grandkids have to sell my crap one day and I hope someone is fair with them. But I don't have near the quality collection a lot of the C&V crowd has.

nlerner 02-07-22 10:48 PM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 22402703)
Raleigh Clubman 23" for $100 in VA. I see wingnuts and chrome socks and...

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...14189133177902

https://scontent.fric1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...Mw&oe=62063C73

Ooh, thatís a screaming deal. Either a Ď50 or a Ď51 given the color scheme. Looks nicely preserved, too.

anotherbike 02-09-22 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 22400661)
While this is none of my f'n business, having had to unfortunately deal with 4 estates in the past 2 years, I hope all of the folks that have amassed such amazing collections of parts have a *written* plan for what to do with them in the event of their passing on. I can tell you through personal experience it is not easy as the executor who may not be involved in a hobby/vocation as deeply as the deceased to do justice to distributing years of collected treasures. And when dealing with the grief of losing a loved one decisions such as "toss it all out" are far too common.

I've seen the 'Toss it all out" thing happen all to many times. I had a long time neighbor pass away around 5 years ago, he had one kid, who didn't live locally anymore. His son and daughter-in-law. showed up one weekend to 'clean out the house' because they needed to sell it fast.
The old guy was an avid woodworker, former mechanic and machinist, and retired Korean war vet.
They threw every last item the old guy had in the trash, luckily I saw it and got to it before the scrappers did. The old guy had a full wood shop, plus a metal lathe, tools boxes, welders, and tons of tooling.
He had 11 old bikes, most were 50's and 60's balloon and middleweights, and a ton of 50's Chevy parts.
All they saw was a big payday from selling the house.

nlerner 02-10-22 08:24 AM

Here's final update on my 1940 Raleigh Sports Light Roadster project. It's now rideable! I took it around the block and was very happy with how it felt. I like these Schwalbe tires a lot. Gears and brakes worked fine (though gearing is a bit higher than I'm used to for a Sports). Thanks to @cudak888 for the tips on manufacturing a double-ended rear brake cable, to @BigChief for the period-correct stem, and to @clubman for being a bad influence.

Once again, the as-found pic:
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...383d084a5f.jpg

And the as-of-this-morning pics:
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6c2406a982.jpg

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...937533fbf1.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...97d2eec7a8.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c444545364.jpg
Note the black housing on the reflector.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cb2c7a8e2c.jpg
That's the original chain!
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5392beb223.jpg
Twee saddle bag from my stash and original saddle.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ea06dbde90.jpg
Front, stem-mounted lamp bracket is particular to this era.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...61056d71a9.jpg
Original grips, I believe.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f791db8b00.jpg
Hard to tell it's not the original cable end!

cudak888 02-10-22 08:29 AM

Downright gorgeous, Neal. So glad I could help with the info on the brass motorcycle cable ends.

-Kurt

P.S. to all: Soldering them can be tricky, but I use a combo of galvanized cable (yes, I know - couldn't get it to work on stainless) and a small butane torch. Works quite well.

BFisher 02-10-22 08:31 AM

That is in better shape than my '51. Just outstanding.

clubman 02-10-22 09:16 AM

Glad to be of service. :thumb:

nlerner 02-10-22 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 22405150)
P.S. to all: Soldering them can be tricky, but I use a combo of galvanized cable (yes, I know - couldn't get it to work on stainless) and a small butane torch. Works quite well.

Here are the bits I used plus soldering iron:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...387981413.jpeg

Salubrious 02-10-22 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 22405144)
Here's final update on my 1940 Raleigh Sports Light Roadster project. It's now rideable! I took it around the block and was very happy with how it felt. I like these Schwalbe tires a lot. Gears and brakes worked fine (though gearing is a bit higher than I'm used to for a Sports). Thanks to @cudak888 for the tips on manufacturing a double-ended rear brake cable, to @BigChief for the period-correct stem, and to @clubman for being a bad influence.

Note the black housing on the reflector.

That's the original chain!

Twee saddle bag from my stash and original saddle.

Front, stem-mounted lamp bracket is particular to this era.

Original grips, I believe.

Hard to tell it's not the original cable end!

That looks a charming ride. Are you bringing it to the Lake Pepin 3-speed tour in May? If yes you might consider a 22T cog in the rear.

nlerner 02-10-22 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 22405398)
That looks a charming ride. Are you bringing it to the Lake Pepin 3-speed tour in May? If yes you might consider a 22T cog in the rear.

Thanks! At some point, I'd like to participate in that event, but it won't be this year, unfortunately.

BigChief 02-11-22 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 22405144)
Here's final update on my 1940 Raleigh Sports Light Roadster project. It's now rideable! I took it around the block and was very happy with how it felt. I like these Schwalbe tires a lot. Gears and brakes worked fine (though gearing is a bit higher than I'm used to for a Sports). Thanks to @cudak888 for the tips on manufacturing a double-ended rear brake cable, to @BigChief for the period-correct stem, and to @clubman for being a bad influence.

Once again, the as-found pic:


And the as-of-this-morning pics:
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6c2406a982.jpg




Note the black housing on the reflector.

That's the original chain!


Twee saddle bag from my stash and original saddle.

Front, stem-mounted lamp bracket is particular to this era.

Original grips, I believe.

Hard to tell it's not the original cable end!

Brilliant!!! Museum quality work.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...814998c8bf.jpg

gster 02-11-22 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 22405144)
Here's final update on my 1940 Raleigh Sports Light Roadster project. It's now rideable! I took it around the block and was very happy with how it felt. I like these Schwalbe tires a lot. Gears and brakes worked fine (though gearing is a bit higher than I'm used to for a Sports). Thanks to @cudak888 for the tips on manufacturing a double-ended rear brake cable, to @BigChief for the period-correct stem, and to @clubman for being a bad influence.

Once again, the as-found pic:
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...383d084a5f.jpg

And the as-of-this-morning pics:
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6c2406a982.jpg

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...937533fbf1.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...97d2eec7a8.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c444545364.jpg
Note the black housing on the reflector.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cb2c7a8e2c.jpg
That's the original chain!
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5392beb223.jpg
Twee saddle bag from my stash and original saddle.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ea06dbde90.jpg
Front, stem-mounted lamp bracket is particular to this era.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...61056d71a9.jpg
Original grips, I believe.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f791db8b00.jpg
Hard to tell it's not the original cable end!

Wow!

bluesteak 02-11-22 06:38 PM

Soldered end brake cable
 
Is there a tutorial somewhere how to make a cable with two soldered ends for these old English bikes.

nlerner 02-11-22 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by bluesteak (Post 22406937)
Is there a tutorial somewhere how to make a cable with two soldered ends for these old English bikes.

I can tell you what I did using the parts shown above in post 25708 and following @cudak888’s advice:

—You just need to create a soldered end on the caliper side of the cable, so I clipped off the barrel I didn’t need from that Clark’s cable and sized it with the old cable (which isn’t as easy as it sounds; I made it too long my first try).
—I put the cable stop in my vise and used a small binder clip to hold the cable in place while I soldered.
—I lightly sanded the cable end, cleaned it off with an alcohol pad, slipped on a motorcycle throttle cable nipple ( https://www.ebay.com/itm/MOTORCYCLE-...-/132337628007) with the wide end just about flush with the cable end, and then fluxed the heck out of the cable and nipple.
—I heated the whole thing up with my soldering iron until the flux was smoking and sizzling and than applied a small amount of solder to the cable just above the nipple and then a bit more at the wide side of the nipple to form a dome. I practiced this technique first on some scrap cable to get a feel for how much solder was needed (you don’t need much).
—I cleaned up the new barrel end with a few strokes of a file to make it uniform.

I’ll recreate with some pics over the weekend.

BigChief 02-11-22 08:57 PM

I've always used silver brazing wire to make up custom cables. This goes back to my vintage motorcycle days. You must use the proper flux. Lead solder flux won't do. Except for Sturmey Archer shifter cables. Lately, I have used 3/32" brass tubing fixed with JB Weld and a slight cinch in the tube for those.

markk900 02-12-22 06:38 AM

nlerner 's instructions are bang on.....a couple of other hacks that I tried (successfully) were: I used a cut down brass spoke nipple for the end (it fit in the brake arm perfectly and I have plenty of them lying around), and after inserting the cable but before soldering I "peened" over the cable end (more like spread it a bit) to form a slightly larger diameter that then took on solder. This is also an old motorcycle trick to help ensure a strong connection for brakes. I have no idea if true but I like to think the threads inside the nipple took on a bit more solder and created an even stronger wedge.


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