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Sixty Fiver 02-16-15 12:49 PM

The mainstream shops often send me the three speeds that they are not equipped to work on... many people have come to me with similar stories where shops wanted to swap out wheels or sell them a new bicycle because their old one was unserviceable.

Eaton's Gliders were manufactured by Raleigh for Eatons... they tend to be of similar good quality with a nice level of finish.

forestine 02-16-15 01:02 PM

I wish Winnipeg had a Bicycle Repair Man. I bought a supercycle from "Larry The Bike Guy" once and he is no substitute.

noglider 02-16-15 01:05 PM

That Glider looks great! And what a lame story about your bike shop. Bike shops are notorious for having snobs, which is absurd when you think about it.

markk900 02-16-15 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by forestine (Post 17558655)
Here's my 1973 Eaton's Glider before and after(so far). I had issues with the AW going into "neutral" when I'd shift into 2nd or sometimes while in 2nd, jumping *out* of gear. Tried taking it to a bike shop because my skills aren't super advanced and I thought I might have to open the hub, to be greeted with absolute disgust (he kept rolling his eyes) by this guy who didn't seem to think it was worth fixing. His suggestion was to replace the entire wheel/hub with a $200 single speed one. Went to a community bike shop to ask about parts next, where they offered to help me replace my wheel with a "normal" one. They said they don't get parts in that aren't easily interchangeable, so it's all derailleurs around there. Took the bike home, oiled the hub really well (not ready to open it yet), replaced the shifter cable, housing and indicator chain and it is shifting fine! I won't be going back to that bike shop. What do they gain from treating people like dirt?

Here's the before (this was the photo on Kijiji complete with antique shop in the background)
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7402/...b6fc96c8_z.jpg20 by Lindsay.Joy, on Flickr

Here it is right now (complete with cat)
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7361/...33956dd2_z.jpgUntitled by Lindsay.Joy, on Flickr

So far we've ( @nelsonmilum and I, who I am sure will be posting a before/after of his matching bike soon) replaced the cables and shifters, brake pads with Kool Stops, new grips and tires, lots of elbow grease and de-rusting with foil, and got a bell the colour of the Eaton's department store shopping bags. I have a new rack to put on the back which I'll do soon. I think I will eventually want a front basket, too, and a better saddle, when I can afford it. This vinyl one keeps catching on my clothes, is rock hard, and the plastic lining is all brittle and cracked.

I love the white Gilders. I remember my mom had one back in the day, and I looked for a white one myself but ended up with this (faded) green one: nice rider though:

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...r/IMG_1572.jpg

The Brooks is a good choice (B67) however worth as much as the bike is! I've since moved the seat to another build and have a regular unsprung saddle from a Schwinn on it - surprisingly though its quite comfortable.

Since someone else warned me about mine - you might want to check your stem to make sure it is far enough inserted into the head tube - yours looks a little high....

forestine 02-16-15 01:27 PM

Thanks! I'm really excited about this bike, especially after coming from riding a heavy cruiser. It's going to feel pretty zippy in comparison.

So far, we've found one shop in town where they don't seem like snobs. When we go to the parts counter, sometimes we have to bring a photo of the part that we need to replace and where it goes on the bike. Not just because neither of us know much about bikes, but also because Raleigh and SA are really bad for naming parts in strange ways. The employees there will always help us figure out what we need. N went into one shop where nobody would even talk to him. Oh well. Their loss.

ETA: This posted at the same time as Markk900. How far in should my stem be? I'll double check the book. I realized my handlebars were tilted down and now that I've fixed that, it maybe doesn't need to be up so high. I love your green glider, too! I'm hoping to get a B66s.

kurtp13 02-16-15 01:50 PM

I avoid my local shop and sometimes drive an hour out of my way to go to a shop I like. My local one looks down on my late 90s Cannondale. And I'm always wrong to start with. I wish I could go there and discuss my bike problems and have them do some of the work. I do this with my trusted mechanic, I get a quote if it seems reasonable they do the work, if not I do it. No hard feelings and I take most of my work there and recommend them to friends.

I tend to order bike stuff online because of this which I would prefer not to do, but then I don't have to argue with anyone.

markk900 02-16-15 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by forestine (Post 17558825)
ETA: This posted at the same time as Markk900. How far in should my stem be? I'll double check the book. I realized my handlebars were tilted down and now that I've fixed that, it maybe doesn't need to be up so high. I love your green glider, too! I'm hoping to get a B66s.

You will want at least a couple of inches of tube inserted into the headtube. Not sure if the seat is adjusted for you but if it is you can bring the bars down a LOT!

To learn a lot about the maintenance you might need to do, google "Sheldon Brown 3-speed" and you should have plenty to read! Also check out @Velocivixen's thread: http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...tos-heavy.html Even if you never need to go as far as she did, you'll be much better informed when you go to the shop (snobs or not).

forestine 02-16-15 02:22 PM

Yeah, the seat's adjusted the way I'd like, I'm just used to having higher bars. My other bike has you almost leaning back so this feels really forward and weird. They'll probably need to be lowered a bit to be an inch into the headtube. Thanks for the tip!
I've gotten a lot out of Velovixen's thread and Sheldon Brown's site. I also got Glenn's Complete Bicycle Manual which has been really helpful. Even if I've done my research, sometimes a snob can make me feel really stupid, you know? Like the first guy kept saying, "What makes you think the hub is fine?" Use that technique long enough and I'll start to doubt my own name. I feel like I should bring cue cards.

dweenk 02-16-15 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 17557411)
Harris Cyclery in MA sells these washers online. Fairly inexpensive.

I found a few used washers for free in my LBS's used hardware drawer. But more to the point, could riding the bike with a stripped washer bind the bearings?

I know the PO was riding the bike a few months ago - before a car backed over the frame.

markk900 02-16-15 02:45 PM

Never let anyone else make you feel stupid for something *they* don't know! BTW - read your blog.....while it won't help much you can get a new B67S from SJS Cycles for only $128 (instead of $175)..... Search Results

And this one might work out for you: Brooks B66S Bicycle Saddle | eBay but watch out for the exchange rate!

markk900 02-16-15 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 17559030)
I found a few used washers for free in my LBS's used hardware drawer. But more to the point, could riding the bike with a stripped washer bind the bearings?

I know the PO was riding the bike a few months ago - before a car backed over the frame.

I usually have a washer on either side so if only one was stripped I think the axle would not have moved since the other side was still holding it. Even stripped on both sides, or with no washers, I suspect the axle wouldn't move much. I'd be much more inclined to believe a car backing over it might have a bigger impact (pardon the pun).

forestine 02-16-15 02:52 PM

Whoa, $35! I wonder how high that auction will go... I calculated exchange and shipping from a few sites including SJS awhile ago and it just about evened out with the local shop (this is the one where they're actually nice) because our dollar is so low right now. I'm willing to wait a bit since it's too cold to go very far at the moment.

dweenk 02-16-15 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 17559060)
I usually have a washer on either side so if only one was stripped I think the axle would not have moved since the other side was still holding it. Even stripped on both sides, or with no washers, I suspect the axle wouldn't move much. I'd be much more inclined to believe a car backing over it might have a bigger impact (pardon the pun).

The front of the bike suffered the damage and the rear wheel looks to be in good shape. I think that I'll loosen the left side locknut and see what goes.

Sixty Fiver 02-16-15 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by forestine (Post 17558756)
I wish Winnipeg had a Bicycle Repair Man. I bought a supercycle from "Larry The Bike Guy" once and he is no substitute.

I make house calls although the time and mileage here might be prohibitive.

:)

If folks need parts (especially Canucks) I am always happy to send those out.

forestine 02-16-15 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 17559274)
If folks need parts (especially Canucks) I am always happy to send those out.

Good to know!

Velocivixen 02-16-15 07:24 PM

@forestine - what a great bike you have! Stunning. I live in an area where there are several bike co-ops and they have boxes of every part you can imagine. They're off of used bikes, mostly so they're cheap. They also sell new items too. They've been super helpful. I know which ones to go to for whatever type of bike I am dealing with. Maybe you have a bike co-op nearby. Don't let those bike shop folks intimidate you. You know your vintage bike likely better than they do.

I have learned so much with the Phillips. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to reach out and ask. This forum has been full of very generous folks who have a wealth of information.

My 3 speed went out of gear shifting from high (3) to Normal (2). I decided to follow Sturmey Archer instructions (I had been side tracked with various online instructions from people), and it works fine now (so far).

At this point I bought a NOS headlight lens with the chrome rim, along with a rear light lens from England. I also ordered one Col de la Vie 650A tire which should be here in a few days.

forestine 02-16-15 07:45 PM

@Velocivixen - Thank you! The second place (who offered to help me build a "normal" wheel) was a cooperative, but a super small one. They told me they get most of their parts from one main larger coop that goes to dumps and then distributes parts. I'll try that one next time and maybe some of the other larger coops eventually. Maybe they all get their parts from the one place, but they also all get donations in, too.

I don't think I would have gotten this far if it wasn't for lurking this forum, so thanks everyone for your help whether you knew it or not.

nelsonmilum 02-16-15 08:12 PM

Hey everyone, thanks for all of the really positive comments! Here's the before and afters for the "His" portion of the Eaton's Gliders
New Tires, Kool Stops, Cables & Housings, A lovely Brooks Flyer Special, and a Chinese "Golden Cat" Bottle Dynamo Light set. I've got to say I'm pretty happy with the way this turned out.

In the Antique Shop:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7293/...9fd328da_z.jpg
01:03:2015 untitiled 0851 by Lindsay.Joy, on Flickr

In the Living Room:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7407/...1d7383b7_z.jpg
P2160005 by nelson_milum, on Flickr

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8660/...0c423f4e_z.jpg
P2160006 by nelson_milum, on Flickr

JohnDThompson 02-16-15 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by nelsonmilum (Post 17560000)

Wait... what happened to the cat?

forestine 02-16-15 09:36 PM

Ha! I just realized our apartment is like dazzle camouflage and it's hard to see anything, so good "spot the difference". The tomatoes were also replaced with bananas.

BigChief 02-17-15 08:24 AM

Wow, matching his and hers vintage white Gliders. Very, very sharp. Love it.

arex 02-17-15 09:13 AM

Those are beautiful bikes.

teaboy 02-17-15 09:35 AM

Velocivixen I have an original Phillips multi tool if its any use to you its yours F O C

Salubrious 02-17-15 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by forestine (Post 17558976)
Like the first guy kept saying, "What makes you think the hub is fine?" Use that technique long enough and I'll start to doubt my own name. I feel like I should bring cue cards.

The correct answer is 'its an AW'. Like master Sheldon Brown says, paraphrasing: 'AW' might as well mean 'Always Works'.

adventurepdx 02-17-15 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by forestine (Post 17558655)
Here's my 1973 Eaton's Glider before and after(so far)... Tried taking it to a bike shop because my skills aren't super advanced and I thought I might have to open the hub, to be greeted with absolute disgust (he kept rolling his eyes) by this guy who didn't seem to think it was worth fixing. His suggestion was to replace the entire wheel/hub with a $200 single speed one...I won't be going back to that bike shop. What do they gain from treating people like dirt?

That bike shop sounds jerky, but a lot of shops simply "don't get" three speeds. One shop made suggestions for my old Rudge Sports, which was in perfectly good shape (mostly due to sixty-fiver.) They said what would make things "better" is replace the wheel with a single speed and replace the crankset with a modern cotterless. Of course the Rudge chainring is most of the charm of the bike! To be fair, they were generally a decent shop that did good work, but their focus was on new.


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