Originally Posted by scale
(Post 18011525)
good plan. I had planned to order a small pile of the sunlite black/black k103s due to them being so cheap.....for that same reason. Ive got at 57 robin hood im trying to get done. All i have left is to source good quality cotters and press them. Ive got 2 projects waiting for that process. I sure wish someone would step up and start making BBs that fit these old 3speeds properly with a square taper. Somthing sealed.....and simple. The SA rear hubs are an amazing design and the shear number of 3 speeds out there is unreal. All of them need a bit of TLC and they make great commuters and townies. Bullet proof really.
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Originally Posted by look566 rider
(Post 17752392)
I admit! Shameless picture posting...
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=447451http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=447452http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=447453http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=447454http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=447455http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=447456http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=447457http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=447458http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=447459http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=447460http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=447461 After two years, mostly procrastinating, Morley is ready for the road! As you can see original owner etched his name quite deeply in the one pic, plus a couple other locations. Mostly original. Obviously new tubes & tires, originals had to be cut off from the wheels. New re-pop grips in the original style, thank you Taiwan Trading Co. One new cotter key for the crank, machined down to fit correctly. New brake pads, safety first! A re-died original Brooks saddle, not sure if the color is correct from new. Few miscellaneous nuts & bolts. Frame pump seems to work. I do need to locate the insert in the nipple end of the hose that allows the air into the tube. Most work was done by yours truly. With hub, BB, headset cleaning & re-packing left to my LBS good guy Mason of Westerville Bike Shop. Shameless local business plug intended. And I just don't have the correct spanners to do this work yet. Paint was brought back to life with Meguiers's Pro Line auto paint products. Chrome was basic elbow grease, chrome polish, SS pads and brass brushes. All else was scrubbed clean of 30+ years of oily dust. There has been no paint touch up or anything else. Rust and corrosion will be held in check. Bike has been ridden several times. I have no reference for what she should ride like, but she is a hoot to be on. Needs some fine tuning for the 3 speed shifting. Rear brake cable is stretched beyond use, but I have a hack in place with a fix ready. Much to my surprise the dynometer lights work! Bulbs look to be original. I did find a replacement lens for the rear light at Memory Lane in Grand Rapids, Ohio. Original lens was bleached a pale pinkish-yellow. If there is any advice on placement of clamps etc., I welcome the feedback. Cheers, Took the bike to the son of the previous owner of Morley. He was very pleased and amazed with the bike. He also had located a saddle bag with tools, old pedals and a original Raleigh owners manual! Was great to the smile on his face! |
Originally Posted by adventurepdx
(Post 18011071)
Sorry. I know about that thread, but I didn't think it was too off-base (or off topic) in posting it here.
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Originally Posted by Gasbag
(Post 18011608)
I'll file and fit them, and then heat them red hot and oil quench them to harden them.
I've read that cotters are soft so that they deform to the hard spindle rather than the other way around. |
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All done. Seems to work perfectly. All 4 positions ( H N L B )engage smoothly.The newer SA shifter cable end, with the crimps,
is larger in diameter than the original, plain cable end that came on this one. The cable ferrule threads are the same, so I don't have to make up a whole new cable. I figure I can carefully reshape the end of a newer cable with the bench grinder until it fits. The rivets didn't come out so easily on this one.The case dimpled inward from driving the trigger rivet out. I did have a piece of steel bar stock that fit the inside walls of the case perfectly. I used it as an anvil to square up the case from the damage it had and the dimple I made driving out the rivet. That turned out to be an essential tool for this project. I got it together by inserting and driving home the rivet in the spring loaded swing arm first. I then manipulated the trigger and cam with a small screwdriver until the holes lined up with the case. There was enough friction that the rivet stayed in place while I drove it in without having to hold the screwdriver. I was wondering how I was going to do that without 3 hands. Guess I was lucky there. So, one early 50s SA trigger rescued. http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=466818 |
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Figured I'd add my vintage 3-speed to the thread. I ride a Hercules King with a 3-speed B type 2 Hercules hub (and her-cu-matic shifter). Bike is late 40's-early 50's, near as I can tell, and is from before Raleigh bought out Hercules. (if anyone has more info on the model, I'd love to know. I've been researching, but can't seem to find any mention of a "King" model put out by Hercules)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=466819http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=466820http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=466821http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=466822http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=466823 On another note, does anyone know where one could get a new rear reflector housing? The rubber on mine is completely shot. I need to get the lens out so I can remount the reflector (both screws holding it on have come loose, and they're driven into the fender from inside the reflector), but doing so would probably destroy the old rubber housing. |
Originally Posted by exdraghunt
(Post 18012701)
Figured I'd add my vintage 3-speed to the thread. I ride a Hercules King with a 3-speed B type 2 Hercules hub (and her-cu-matic shifter). Bike is late 40's-early 50's, near as I can tell, and is from before Raleigh bought out Hercules. (if anyone has more info on the model, I'd love to know. I've been researching, but can't seem to find any mention of a "King" model put out by Hercules)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=466819http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=466820http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=466821http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=466822http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=466823 On another note, does anyone know where one could get a new rear reflector housing? The rubber on mine is completely shot. I need to get the lens out so I can remount the reflector (both screws holding it on have come loose, and they're driven into the fender from inside the reflector), but doing so would probably destroy the old rubber housing. I can't help with any information about your Hercules but I might be able to help with the reflector: Spares and Accessories for Roadster Bicycles Raleigh Tourist 28" 635mm at Yellow Jersey Westwood Rims is another keyword Rod brakes British spares. |
What a cool bike. I love it. Yes, preserving that reflector is a must. If a new housing that fits the lens just can't be found, it would be possible to machine a whole new body out of aluminum and paint it black. A lot of work for a reflector maybe, but that one is especially nice.
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I have a SA trigger shifter that works fine in 2 and 3. It wont go into one. 2 and 3 work fine and i can see where the pawl or "catch" is when i pull the trigger back to the 1 position and it is clearing the metal holder but the spring doesnt push down on the holder. Is there a way to adjust this spring to push down farther? Its probably just worn from age IF i use a small screw driver and push the metal holder its fine but as soon as i come out of first again it wont go back in. The spring is weak in the #1 spot and not pushing or engaging at all.
Hopefully this description makes sene. I am wondering if i bend the spring a bit to allow it to give more tension. I dont see any possible way to get the trigger shifter apart. Its press fit together. |
Originally Posted by exdraghunt
(Post 18012701)
Figured I'd add my vintage 3-speed to the thread. I ride a Hercules King with a 3-speed B type 2 Hercules hub (and her-cu-matic shifter). Bike is late 40's-early 50's, near as I can tell, and is from before Raleigh bought out Hercules. (if anyone has more info on the model, I'd love to know. I've been researching, but can't seem to find any mention of a "King" model put out by Hercules)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=466819http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=466820http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=466821http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=466822http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=466823 On another note, does anyone know where one could get a new rear reflector housing? The rubber on mine is completely shot. I need to get the lens out so I can remount the reflector (both screws holding it on have come loose, and they're driven into the fender from inside the reflector), but doing so would probably destroy the old rubber housing. let me know. |
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Originally Posted by scale
(Post 18013175)
I have a SA trigger shifter that works fine in 2 and 3. It wont go into one. 2 and 3 work fine and i can see where the pawl or "catch" is when i pull the trigger back to the 1 position and it is clearing the metal holder but the spring doesnt push down on the holder. Is there a way to adjust this spring to push down farther? Its probably just worn from age IF i use a small screw driver and push the metal holder its fine but as soon as i come out of first again it wont go back in. The spring is weak in the #1 spot and not pushing or engaging at all.
Hopefully this description makes sene. I am wondering if i bend the spring a bit to allow it to give more tension. I dont see any possible way to get the trigger shifter apart. Its press fit together. |
yup....it pulls way past the first gear pawl/catch on the shifter but the little spring thing that pushes against the block that is supposed to push down the block to catch on the pawl isnt pushing down because there isnt enough sprint tension. Its all in the trigger shifter. It should shift gears 1-3 with nothing hooked up....just some slight pull back tension. It wont catch at gear number 1.
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scale - most of my problems with SA 3 speed hubs are that I can get 1 and 3 just fine with the initial cable tension adjustment. After that is done, shifting from 3 down to "N", or 1 up to "N" may fail. Both up and down shifts never fail, but often one direction does.
First go for the high and low, I've always found that a little work with the barrel adjuster will bring "N" into line. |
The trigger might only need a cleaning and lube. I have an ultrasonic tank and it is amazing how much dirt comes out of triggers when I clean them. After cleaning I use a needle oiler with Tri-Flow to sparingly get things slicked up again. The triggers are always much improved after this process.
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Originally Posted by Gasbag
(Post 18013360)
The trigger might only need a cleaning and lube. I have an ultrasonic tank and it is amazing how much dirt comes out of triggers when I clean them. After cleaning I use a needle oiler with Tri-Flow to sparingly get things slicked up again. The triggers are always much improved after this process.
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another topic. I have a 57 red robin hood and the forks look bent in a bit. Has anyone ran these forks as a replacement on a 3 speed?
Sunlite 26x1-3/8, 1" Threaded Fork - Modern Bike Im almost certain ill never find another set of red forks for a robin hood and black would look weird. Chrome probably would as well but maybe less so. |
Originally Posted by scale
(Post 18013465)
This might be it. I flushed and worked it real good using pb and parts cleaner. It doesnt feel tight at all. It pulls great....its just the last click down to 1 doesnt work. IF i pull into 1 and then push my finger over the spring it puts weight on the thing that catches the tooth on the shifter for 1st gear. IM pretty sure that little flapper thing in there is fine but the spring that pushes it down is weak. 2nd and 3rd are not a problem because the cam that runs it pushes the teeth out farther for these gears where the spring still has plenty of tension.
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how do you get the trigger apart? I could probably fix this thing quick if i new how to pull it apart.
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Originally Posted by scale
(Post 18013865)
how do you get the trigger apart? I could probably fix this thing quick if i new how to pull it apart.
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Originally Posted by 3speedslow
(Post 18013194)
What is the diameter of the reflector. I have a Raleigh rubber housing that you can have if it fits. It is white though.
let me know. That would be so awesome, thanks for the offer. I think white would look alright, match the white fender splash. |
Originally Posted by gna
(Post 17911723)
You've got plenty of room to move the chain back. Try that first. It could be a cotter, too.
My Sports made an unusual clicking sound when I was pedaling hard. I thought it was a pedal, but changing them out didn't solve it. Finally, I checked the cranks in just the right position. I had to snug up the bottom bracket a bit.
Originally Posted by BigChief
(Post 17911903)
Not sure about the slipping, but worn out bearings in the pedals can cause a clicking sound. 1x per revolution sounds a lot like pedal bearings to me.
My next project might be to replace the bearings/lube in the crank, if I can muster up the courage to smite those cotters. Is it advised that I find replacement cotters in case things go haywire? |
Originally Posted by rubah
(Post 18015116)
I overhauled the pedals with new bearings and grease and moved the wheel back in the slots, and the slipping seems to have been resolved :) not sure which of those did more good, but it was fun to tear into the pedals.
My next project might be to replace the bearings/lube in the crank, if I can muster up the courage to smite those cotters. Is it advised that I find replacement cotters in case things go haywire? |
Originally Posted by rubah
(Post 18015116)
My next project might be to replace the bearings/lube in the crank, if I can muster up the courage to smite those cotters. Is it advised that I find replacement cotters in case things go haywire? I finally broke down and bought an official cotter pin press. |
Originally Posted by exdraghunt
(Post 18014982)
My reflector housing is 2" in diameter (outside edge of the housing)
That would be so awesome, thanks for the offer. I think white would look alright, match the white fender splash. |
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