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clubman 05-20-16 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by w1gfh (Post 18783002)
I love the Lenton Clubman! I believe it's the one Albert Finney was riding in Saturday Night and Sunday Morning: Film clip

One of my fave actors!

w1gfh 05-20-16 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 18783029)
One of my fave actors!

Never had a Lenton Clubman, but appreciate its classic look. What can you tell us about it? How does it ride?

clubman 05-20-16 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by w1gfh (Post 18783102)
Never had a Lenton Clubman, but appreciate its classic look. What can you tell us about it? How does it ride?

I've had one Lenton Clubman (49?) which was a 'rescue bike' from a courier shop, all decked out with modern fixie crap. It actually rode great with 700c wheels but I stripped it down to the frame. I never did the restoration on it and recently sold it to a forum member who will hopefully do better than I. I also had a complete Lenton Sports from 48 which was essentially the same bike. It was stable and fun but sometimes a bike is as only as good as it's wheelset and quality EA1 tires are getting very hard to find. I'd certainly consider putting 700's on one if I didn't have EA1 wheels and rubber. But I do...:)

nlerner 05-20-16 03:56 PM

I have a '49 Clubman--I believe that the Lenton Clubman was only made in 1948. My '49 has EA1/597mm wheels (with original alloy rims). I've ridden it quite a bit, including over some crazy hilly terrain out in western Mass. I set it up with upright bars when I first got it as a chronic neck problem made that more comfortable for me. Last year, I converted it to drop bars, but that really reduced brake leverage (essentially, the brakes were just suggestions for stopping), so I went back to upright bars. It did look cooler with drop bars, however:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-F.../IMAGE_525.jpg

3speedslow 05-20-16 04:04 PM

^^Total cool. Trying to set up my Rudge like that.

Loose Chain 05-20-16 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 18782732)
In my experience a real penetrating oil like PB Blaster or a home 50/50 mix of hydraulic oil and acetone works far better than WD40.
Can't imagine why SA would change the ball ring notches from square to half round.

Has Kroil been suggested?

nlerner 05-20-16 06:01 PM

As far as penetrating liquids, this chart is something to think about:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-S...52C%2B2015.png

clubman 05-20-16 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by Loose Chain (Post 18781810)
I always considered Dunalt a step below Raleigh, still nice though?

I consider the pre-Raleigh Dunelts to be equal to the Raleighs in every way. Raleigh dumbed them down a bit to the B-level. I sold a pristine 55 Dunelt that would knock your long woolen socks off but I still have a pre-war example that I rode hard as a rattle-can, one speed scorcher. It will soon live again.

clubman 05-20-16 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 18784370)
I have a '49 Clubman--I believe that the Lenton Clubman was only made in 1948. My '49 has EA1/597mm wheels (with original alloy rims). I've ridden it quite a bit, including over some crazy hilly terrain out in western Mass. I set it up with upright bars when I first got it as a chronic neck problem made that more comfortable for me. Last year, I converted it to drop bars, but that really reduced brake leverage (essentially, the brakes were just suggestions for stopping), so I went back to upright bars. It did look cooler with drop bars, however:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-F.../IMAGE_525.jpg

As always, a lovely bike Neal.

I'd forgotten that the Lenton Clubman catalogue pic I posted was not correct, it's got the Lenton Sports decal scheme. My Lenton Clubman was the same as yours.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-b...12/seatube.jpg

BigChief 05-20-16 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 18784592)
As far as penetrating liquids, this chart is something to think about:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-S...52C%2B2015.png

That's very interesting. I would have guessed that the PB would have beat Liquid wrench, but I don't have any standard to measure it against. Only my years of fighting with stuck parts. I'm also surprised that the home brew did so much better than the commercial oils. I've been using it for years, mostly to save money, but I have noticed that it is very effective.

gna 05-20-16 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 18782732)
In my experience a real penetrating oil like PB Blaster or a home 50/50 mix of hydraulic oil and acetone works far better than WD40.
Can't imagine why SA would change the ball ring notches from square to half round.

They switched to half round notches some time in the late '70s. You can get a special spanner:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Y.../C-spanner.jpg

artclone 05-21-16 12:25 AM

Kinda interesting: Raleigh Sports equiped with Garelli Mosquito motor for sale:
Moped 1951 Raleigh Sports Mini "Baby" Mosquito

BigChief 05-21-16 04:01 AM


Originally Posted by gna (Post 18784849)
They switched to half round notches some time in the late '70s. You can get a special spanner:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Y.../C-spanner.jpg

Designing in rounded edges that would want to cam any tool you are using outward is just plain stupid. It's like putting rounded edges on a nut. I'm filing this under dumb SA 70s ideas like eliminating the nut on pulley clips and plastic trigger covers that always cracked.

slowtostart 05-21-16 07:03 AM

Velocivixen, this one's for you?
https://southjersey.craigslist.org/bik/5576942314.html

BigChief 05-21-16 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by slowtostart (Post 18785396)

Even if it isn't, it might be a flipper. RSWs usually are in the $300 asking price range.

slowtostart 05-21-16 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 18785486)
Even if it isn't, it might be a flipper. RSWs usually are in the $300 asking price range.

Any thoughts on condition?

BigChief 05-21-16 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by slowtostart (Post 18785496)
Any thoughts on condition?

From what I can see in the pictures, it seems to be in great condition. Late 60s or early 70s I'd say. I don't know anything about folders, but I'm always scanning for new Raleigh projects and I see these RSWs come up from time to time. They're always asking in the 300 dollar range in this sort of condition which surprises me. I wouldn't want one. I can see a 20, but a 16" ? Can't go by asking prices really, but they must have a following.

Velocivixen 05-21-16 09:29 AM

@slowtostart - interesting bike. I live on the very west coast of the US, so South Jersey would be a bit of a drive.:thumb:

Loose Chain 05-21-16 10:03 AM

What is the advantage or disadvantage of routing the shift cable amlong the TT and then down a seat stay vs along the down tube and wheel stay? Seems the down tube routing would be preferred but I see older bikes with the diamond frame tend to run along the top tube.

clubman 05-21-16 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by Loose Chain (Post 18785647)
What is the advantage or disadvantage of routing the shift cable amlong the TT and then down a seat stay vs along the down tube and wheel stay? Seems the down tube routing would be preferred but I see older bikes with the diamond frame tend to run along the top tube.

It's preferable to run along the top so that the cable meets the axle perpendicular to the dropouts. This minimizes shifting errors if the wheel moves or is moved in the horizontal dropouts. If you run along the downtube/chainstays, any axle movement will require readjustment of any of the following, fulcrum clamp, cable stops and indicator chain.

w1gfh 05-21-16 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 18785564)
From what I can see in the pictures, it seems to be in great condition. Late 60s or early 70s I'd say. I don't know anything about folders, but I'm always scanning for new Raleigh projects and I see these RSWs come up from time to time. They're always asking in the 300 dollar range in this sort of condition which surprises me. I wouldn't want one. I can see a 20, but a 16" ? Can't go by asking prices really, but they must have a following.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...d75b533ed8.jpghttp://40.media.tumblr.com/7db3f87d9...6o97o1_500.jpg

gster 05-21-16 12:36 PM

Too bad for Ringo. He's snapped 'is bloody bike in two.

Loose Chain 05-21-16 12:42 PM

I am not sure I understand the appeal of a bike that barely folds? I would love something that si small and light that I could toss in the back of past and future airplanes I may own but otherwise, why? They are kinda cute though.

w1gfh 05-21-16 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by Loose Chain (Post 18785942)
I am not sure I understand the appeal of a bike that barely folds? I would love something that si small and light that I could toss in the back of past and future airplanes I may own but otherwise, why? They are kinda cute though.

It seems lots of actresses ride folding bikes. Maybe that's why Ringo bought one.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...3a75c71666.jpghttp://iv1.lisimg.com/image/429277/2...nna-karina.jpghttps://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...83b5faabb9.jpghttps://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...1bc0478d19.jpg

Narsinha 05-21-16 03:36 PM

Hello,
just an update, used a punch and a hammer, together with a product called "Rost-Schock": WEICON Rost-Schock (Spray).
This cools down the material instantly, while inserting its stuff by capillary action, they call it "chemical wrench". The idea with hydraulic fluid and acetone is also very good, will try this next time.
Also thanks for the table with the different fluids and what they achieve .. good bye WD-40 ;)

Was able to open it, innards look good. Will oil and assemble it thoroughly tomorrow, and post the outcome.

Thanks all,
Kai


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