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loubapache 02-13-13 05:33 PM

Yes, nice looking Tourist!

biglee67 02-15-13 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by wahoonc (Post 15270662)
Got pictures? :D

Aaron :)

Hope to get some photos taken this weekend!

sailorbenjamin 02-15-13 04:40 PM

You've been busy. Looks good.

slowtostart 02-19-13 03:02 PM

http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7cb6480e.jpg

Regardless of the prejudice here, I love to ride this one to work, unless featuring a skirt. The hub is dated 1961 and except for the blemishes on the white tail, it is in excellent condition.

The old B72 is starting to tear at the front rivet and I'm not in love with its matronly appearance. Which Brooks would you choose? I can ride anything. I"ll happily also change the grips and have some cream tires waiting for a home if needed here. Decadence is allowed.

tjkwood 02-19-13 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by slowtostart (Post 15292471)
http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7cb6480e.jpg

Regardless of the prejudice here, I love to ride this one to work, unless featuring a skirt. The hub is dated 1961 and except for the blemishes on the white tail, it is in excellent condition.

The old B72 is starting to tear at the front rivet and I'm not in love with its matronly appearance. Which Brooks would you choose? I can ride anything. I"ll happily also change the grips and have some cream tires waiting for a home if needed here. Decadence is allowed.

I reckon the cream tyres would look great for a start, and maybe get hold of some Raleigh-style grips with the finger indentations? And as for a saddle a nice old brown B66 would look great on that.

Really nice bike - what's the story?

David Newton 02-19-13 03:28 PM

Sez Sir Mike:

I'm planning on resuming work on this very weird Danish market Raleigh Dawn Tourist from 1965.
What is so wierd about it? Rod operated drum brakes are a great upgrade.
26" wheels? So it isn't a Tourist, but a Sports, but the wheelbase looks xtra long, unless the lack of fenders make it look so.

Salubrious 02-19-13 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by slowtostart (Post 15292471)
The old B72 is starting to tear at the front rivet and I'm not in love with its matronly appearance. Which Brooks would you choose? I can ride anything. I"ll happily also change the grips and have some cream tires waiting for a home if needed here. Decadence is allowed.

The grips are great! What is matronly about a B72? Or am I misunderstanding??

slowtostart 02-19-13 03:56 PM

The B72 can/will be replaced. It looks "wide" In the rear! If you have no budget, what would you put on this one?

tj, this was a very inexpensive local Craigslist find. I think Royce Unions are viewed as less desirable rides here on the forum. I have the original grips, but prefer the leather ones for comfort.

This is all so much fun!

sts

tjkwood 02-19-13 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by slowtostart (Post 15292711)
The B72 can/will be replaced. It looks "wide" In the rear! If you have no budget, what would you put on this one?

tj, this was a very inexpensive local Craigslist find. I think Royce Unions are viewed as less desirable rides here on the forum. I have the original grips, but prefer the leather ones for comfort.

This is all so much fun!

sts

You got seriously lucky there - it's a beautiful bike. That's fair enough with the grips, but I must agree about the saddle - I would go for something sprung, not only for comfort but for the look :thumb:

My '35 Raleigh has cream tyres on it currently, I'll get a photo in daylight.

slowtostart 02-19-13 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by tjkwood (Post 15292753)
You got seriously lucky there - it's a beautiful bike. That's fair enough with the grips, but I must agree about the saddle - I would go for something sprung, not only for comfort but for the look :thumb:

My '35 Raleigh has cream tyres on it currently, I'll get a photo in daylight.

Flyer? I will replace the grips for an aesthetically pleasing result if the new saddle selection clashes with the current grips. The old leather ones will be put to good use or passed along to someone here.

w1gfh 02-19-13 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by slowtostart (Post 15292791)
Flyer? I will replace the grips for an aesthetically pleasing result if the new saddle selection clashes with the current grips. The old leather ones will be put to good use or passed along to someone here.

Pearly white vintage hand grips on that Royce Union please!


http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=300305

Velognome 02-19-13 06:26 PM

Flyers a good choice, assuming a rider's narrowish rump, remember Flyers are B17's with springs. I use one on a Sports with a drop bar it and it works well when riding on the tops but that is still a more agressive positon than what is acheived with Northroad bars....unless you flip the bars ;)

Matariki 02-19-13 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 15270667)
I'm planning on resuming work on this very weird Danish market Raleigh Dawn Tourist from 1965. The prestube rack and chain case are add-ons I've gotten through different parts sources. I will have to paint those to match.

http://bikeshedva.blogspot.com/2012/...t-project.html

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fDT9tr8D8p...0/IMG_2883.JPG

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HZtC2rGq6k...0/IMG_2884.JPG

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iymgTzfalw...0/IMG_2886.JPG

Drum brakes front and rear. Are these original? It looks like the front rim brake was modified ... maybe not. I had never seen this sort of thing before.

slowtostart 02-19-13 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by Velognome (Post 15293312)
Flyers a good choice, assuming a rider's narrowish rump, remember Flyers are B17's with springs. I use one on a Sports with a drop bar it and it works well when riding on the tops but that is still a more agressive positon than what is acheived with Northroad bars....unless you flip the bars ;)

Is "assuming" a play on words when referring to seats and rumps? I would happily flip those bars!

This bicycle is an homage to one that had been posted here. I thought it looked elegant with the black and chrome scheme. If you look closely, I think you can see the tear at the front rivet.

I have a sprung saddle on another Sports and like it just fine.

http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2f3f9096.jpg

Keep the saddle black? Sprung? The modern and removable lights stay for safety reasons. I can ride any saddle as long as it looks good. (Insert smile emoticon here. I just can't bring myself to use one.)

Velognome 02-19-13 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by slowtostart (Post 15293392)
I would happily flip those bars!............Keep the saddle black? Sprung?

Careful, it starts will flipping the bars.....then you'll drop the fenders and then............
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=300339

SirMike1983 02-19-13 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by Matariki (Post 15293332)
Drum brakes front and rear. Are these original? It looks like the front rim brake was modified ... maybe not. I had never seen this sort of thing before.

They appear to be- apparently that was a set up used in the Danish market. The hub dates are 12/64 and the Danish import number dates to 1965. The wear on the bike matches them always being there as well. I see no sign of previous stirrup brakes.

The set up is documented for the Sturmey Archer BF hub- it uses a horse shoe shaped yoke to move a lever passing between the brake reaction arm and the fork blade.

http://hadland.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/sabfbr.pdf

noglider 02-19-13 10:31 PM

That Dawes is great, with the drum brakes and rod action. You could take it to Africa, and it would just keep running and running.

Sixty Fiver 02-19-13 10:45 PM

Although they are less common. rod actuated drum brakes were fitted to many bicycles and with these you never have to worry about broken cables and they can be repaired with almost anything if it comes to that.

Velognome 02-20-13 06:12 AM


Originally Posted by Matariki (Post 15293332)
Drum brakes front and rear. Are these original? It looks like the front rim brake was modified ... maybe not. I had never seen this sort of thing before.

Rod&drums could be original, but ya...your hardware looks incomplete
http://www.jefftk.com/images/bikes/r...-system-tn.jpg

SirMike1983 02-20-13 06:44 AM


Sixty Fiver
Although they are less common. rod actuated drum brakes were fitted to many bicycles and with these you never have to worry about broken cables and they can be repaired with almost anything if it comes to that.
The catalogs show hardware for both back to the 1930s, but the rod and drum seems less common. I've seen a couple others with this set up. The export market Raleighs like this one seem to crop up with some different production features.

yellowbarber 02-20-13 10:50 AM

I highly endorse this conversion!
nice!
I have a '66 frame with '52 endrick rims set up the same way, love it!

(I'm in the middle of making a single-speed out of an Armstrong convertable: EA1 26 x 1 1/4 rims laced with Resilion track hubs, 50t Williams crankset, Wrights sprint saddle - pics of that bike will have to go in a different thread)

Originally Posted by Velognome (Post 15293572)
Careful, it starts will flipping the bars.....then you'll drop the fenders and then............
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=300339


Amesja 02-20-13 11:31 AM

That is a slick idea -hooking a drum brake up to the rod rim brake. I like brakes that stop!

Matariki 02-20-13 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 15293747)
They appear to be- apparently that was a set up used in the Danish market. The hub dates are 12/64 and the Danish import number dates to 1965. The wear on the bike matches them always being there as well. I see no sign of previous stirrup brakes.

The set up is documented for the Sturmey Archer BF hub- it uses a horse shoe shaped yoke to move a lever passing between the brake reaction arm and the fork blade.

http://hadland.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/sabfbr.pdf

Very nice detail. You have a great gem there.

yellowbarber 02-21-13 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Velognome (Post 15293572)
Careful, it starts will flipping the bars.....then you'll drop the fenders and then............

there's an earlier pic of mine elsewhere on the thread, here's the latest. Taken from the train to Asbury Park from NYC
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=300641

slowtostart 02-21-13 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by yellowbarber (Post 15299710)
there's an earlier pic of mine elsewhere on the thread, here's the latest. Taken from the train to Asbury Park from NYC
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=300641

I'm not cool enough to ride that!

I think I'll choose a Flyer, maybe even a Special, and some grips in honey. I'll attempt to lace the old black one and use it and the black grips on my Sprite. The poor Sprite has been neglected since the others started moving in.

Thanks for the advice.

Velognome 02-21-13 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by yellowbarber (Post 15299710)
there's an earlier pic of mine elsewhere on the thread, here's the latest. Taken from the train to Asbury Park from NYC
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=300641

Cool, you past through Rahway, If I had of known........?

slowtostart 02-21-13 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by Velognome (Post 15301230)
Cool, you past through Rahway, If I had of known........?

You're in Rahway? We'd be neighbors if I hadn't moved. Lucky you.

PedalTraveler 02-21-13 05:20 PM

Hmmm, I've never posted it here, so I hope no one's too sick of seeing the 51 Clubman.
http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7b4f8826.jpg

Velognome 02-21-13 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by slowtostart (Post 15301448)
You're in Rahway? We'd be neighbors if I hadn't moved. Lucky you.

I'm in the industrial armpit of the Nation and I'm the lucky one? Let me think on that.
http://priceofoil.org/wp-content/upl...59-300x225.jpg

yellowbarber 02-21-13 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by Velognome (Post 15301844)
I'm in the industrial armpit of the Nation and I'm the lucky one? Let me think on that.
http://priceofoil.org/wp-content/upl...59-300x225.jpg

Could be worse...ever been to Gary, Indiana?


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