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paulb_in_bkln 11-27-19 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 21224106)
Its not rocket science. They're good hubs.

Thanks, Salubrious.

sykerocker 11-27-19 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 21225100)
Dunelt was the line sold by my LBS when I was a kid. I don't remember if they had Raleigh. I still can hardly believe how kind my folks were to get me one. The $45 cost was a major expense. Until I caught ten speed fever from my cousin in late '69 or '70, I couldn't imagine a superior bicycle, though, of course, I actually knew nothing.

If that bike was bought new, your folks caught one hell of a bargain. In 1972, at A.R. Adams Cycle in Erie, PA a Raleigh Sports sold for $100.00 (same as a Raleigh Record), the Triumph and Dunelt (we never knew which we’d get in the next shipment) went for $85.00, and a Japanese copy with a Shimano 3.3.3 hub (I think it was branded as a Kent, but my memory might be a little foggy on that point) sold for $60.00.

And Merle Adams considered the Shimano hub to be superior, as it was easier to tear down and repair. Oddly enough, I still have faint memories of how to dig in to an AW, but would really want to have a manual with me to back up those faint memories, as I haven’t torn into one (or needed to) in forty years now. A Shimano? I wouldn’t have a clue without a manual.

gster 11-27-19 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by Commando (Post 21224660)
Hey Gster, it's good to see another Superbe without braze-on pump pegs, I've had a few people over the years tell me that mine couldn't be a genuine Superbe because they all had them. Same with the common misconception that all Superbes came with a B66 seat, though mine came with a vinyl Brooks.

Mine is a Made in Canada version and has a few differences.
I think mine had a vinyl saddle when I got it.

gster 11-27-19 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 21224471)
This beautiful machine is currently on eBay. 1953 Lenton Sports Reg Harris model. All I can say is, hubbuh hubbuh. One day I would love to own an English lightweight. I'd prefer to find a frame in rougher shape, and build it up according to my tastes. Humber, Rudge, Raleigh, Fothergill, etc...

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/bMgAA...Hc/s-l1600.jpg

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ImkAA...Hl/s-l1600.jpg

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/RLsAA...Ho/s-l1600.jpg

What is the seller asking for it?
There's a certain charm to these Club bikes that's
hard to define....

paulb_in_bkln 11-27-19 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by sykerocker (Post 21225153)
If that bike was bought new, your folks caught one hell of a bargain. In 1972, at A.R. Adams Cycle in Erie, PA a Raleigh Sports sold for $100.00 (same as a Raleigh Record), the Triumph and Dunelt (we never knew which we’d get in the next shipment) went for $85.00, and a Japanese copy with a Shimano 3.3.3 hub (I think it was branded as a Kent, but my memory might be a little foggy on that point) sold for $60.00.

And Merle Adams considered the Shimano hub to be superior, as it was easier to tear down and repair. Oddly enough, I still have faint memories of how to dig in to an AW, but would really want to have a manual with me to back up those faint memories, as I haven’t torn into one (or needed to) in forty years now. A Shimano? I wouldn’t have a clue without a manual.

This was considerably earlier, when the dollar was stronger and before those years of bad inflation kicked in. Let's say 1965 or '66, thereabouts.

Ged117 11-27-19 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21225184)
What is the seller asking for it?
There's a certain charm to these Club bikes that's
hard to define....

Currently at about $750 Canadian + $300 shipping. That's a little too dear for this hobby cyclist.

gster 11-27-19 08:50 AM

Another Kijiji Toronto Bike
Listed as a 70's Raleigh Sports @ $200.00 OBO
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b4c625dbbc.jpg
Closer examination dates it to pre 1962 as there's a stamped eye on the herons
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...255f412ddb.jpg
The trigger is also an earlier version
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d3ba7fa6a2.jpg
A brazed on pulley?
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...af34fbf641.jpg

A nice example but too small for me.

gster 11-27-19 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 21225261)
Currently at about $750 Canadian + $300 shipping. That's a little too dear for this hobby cyclist.

Agreed,
There's no challenge buying a bike that's already fixed up...

sykerocker 11-27-19 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 21225251)
This was considerably earlier, when the dollar was stronger and before those years of bad inflation kicked in. Let's say 1965 or '66, thereabouts.

Definitely makes sense. I got the impression you were talking early 70's.

Commando 11-27-19 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21225177)
Mine is a Made in Canada version and has a few differences.
I think mine had a vinyl saddle when I got it.

According to the serial number, mine is Nottingham built. My granddad bought it new in Ottawa so I know the vinyl seat was on it from the shop.

gster 11-27-19 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by Commando (Post 21225841)
According to the serial number, mine is Nottingham built. My granddad bought it new in Ottawa so I know the vinyl seat was on it from the shop.

From England to Canada and then Australia....
That bike's a world traveller.

Commando 11-27-19 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21225862)
From England to Canada and then Australia....
That bike's a world traveller.

More than you know! My granddad was a diplomat and he bought the bike for personal transport during postings in Bangladesh, then India, Beijing, Barbados and finally Bangkok. He gave it to me when he retired in the mid 90's, and I used it as my commuter in Toronto up until '04 when I moved down under. Now it enjoys retirement as my cruiser and gravel path explorer.

gster 11-27-19 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by blackbomber (Post 21223932)
Yeah, that's the key to making the CB160 a really fun ride!

I was working in a motorcycle shop at the time (1999), and bought the 160 and a 100cc 2T Yamaha enduro from the owner in a package deal for $600. They were both bikes that were brought in for service, then abandoned by their owners. I didn't know the problems when I bought them, but the Honda turned out to have a charging issue. I worked around that by riding either on high beam, or with headlight off. Seems Honda thoughtfully engineered a stator which changed it's output based on demand - demand being dictated by headlight switch position. Anyway, I knew little about old Hondas when I got it, and was riding it like one would drive a car. No tach, but I imagine I was shifting in the 4k range. Anyway, a neighborhood motorcycle guru convinced me that I not only could wind the thing out, but that the bike would like it. So anyway, I was riding the thing like a GP bike, and having loads of fun. I rode with a couple of friends to a party several towns away, under the condition we would take backroads, as I'm on a 160, and they were on a '79 T140 and a '00 CBR600. I got good and drunk, as youngsters often do. I was yelled at for dirt tracking the 160 around the house we were at, and later did a smoky burnout on a piece of plywood (I have a photo somewhere I'll add if I find it). Then the ride home. My friends without telling me decided to take the freeway home. As I had no clue where I was, nor any GPS or map, I felt (keep in mind my condition) I had no choice but to follow them on the interstate (a road I was well familiar with). Anyway, I felt they were going too slowly for my tastes (the guy on the CBR just got the bike, and was riding on a permit), so I logically felt the thing to do was to get into the inside lane, pass them, and make my way home as briskly as possible. So there I was, tucked down behind the bars on i84 on this little Honda, completely maxed out for 12 miles or so. No helmet, no jacket, probably no gloves. Occasionally passing cars (I think we figured out this thing would do 75 on flat ground with no wind). Made it to my exit, and the little Honda had the smell of a warm engine, and the pipes were making all kinds of clattering sounds as they cooled off. But the bike continued to ride perfectly for the rest of the time I owned it.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...870dbc2c8.jpeg

A cup of bleach always helps...

gster 11-27-19 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by Commando (Post 21225909)
More than you know! My granddad was a diplomat and he bought the bike for personal transport during postings in Bangladesh, then India, Beijing, Barbados and finally Bangkok. He gave it to me when he retired in the mid 90's, and I used it as my commuter in Toronto up until '04 when I moved down under. Now it enjoys retirement as my cruiser and gravel path explorer.

Another photo to refresh our memory would help.

Commando 11-28-19 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21225959)
Another photo to refresh our memory would help.

Well, if you insist. I really should take a better photo one day. This is it a few years while still in kid-hauler mode, we'd spend whole days travelling around and exploring. Dirt paths, creek crossings, hills (a bit more walking than usual), anywhere that took our fancy. Whoever says the AW can't handle a heavy load? I eventually fitted a steering damper from Velo Orange to help with the weight of all the accessories that come with a young kid that were loaded in the Wald basket. The bike is currently back to almost standard, with the original rear rack back on, the basket is on another bike now, and I have have fitted a B66. The front DynoHub disintegrated about 10 years ago so I re-laced with a standard hub. I still have all the original lights. No further plans other than lacing up some alloy rims I've got... and riding heaps.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5a2a9133e7.jpg

clubman 11-28-19 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by Commando (Post 21226782)
I really should take a better photo one day.

You're kidding. This wins the unofficial Pic of the Week.
We used a Superbe with Rhode Gear rear seat and the small Wald on the front and it was a great.

cudak888 11-28-19 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by Commando (Post 21226782)
The bike is currently back to almost standard, with the original rear rack back on, the basket is on another bike now, and I have have fitted a B66. The front DynoHub disintegrated about 10 years ago so I re-laced with a standard hub. I still have all the original lights. No further plans other than lacing up some alloy rims I've got... and riding heaps.

Question - is that double kickstand a 24" version? I've got the 26" version on my '80 Sports, and it lifts the bike up quite a bit more than that.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cb961a0c34.jpg


A level one would be quite neat - tempted to snap up a shorter one on eBay if the 24" works this well on a Sports.

-Kurt

Commando 11-28-19 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21226787)
You're kidding. This wins the unofficial Pic of the Week.
We used a Superbe with Rhode Gear rear seat and the small Wald on the front and it was a great.

He he, thanks mate!

Commando 11-28-19 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 21226839)
Question - is that double kickstand a 24" version? I've got the 26" version on my '80 Sports, and it lifts the bike up quite a bit more than that.

A level one would be quite neat - tempted to snap up a shorter one on eBay if the 24" works this well on a Sports.

-Kurt

Sorry Kurt, that stand has been on the bike for as long as I can remember so I don't know what it is. I can tell you that it used to lift a bit higher but it's worn past its use-by date now. I'm planning on getting a new one.

cudak888 11-28-19 09:28 PM


Originally Posted by Commando (Post 21226865)
Sorry Kurt, that stand has been on the bike for as long as I can remember so I don't know what it is. I can tell you that it used to lift a bit higher but it's worn past its use-by date now. I'm planning on getting a new one.

That might be it then.

If you have a chance though, check the top plate. They're marked with the size.

-Kurt

Commando 11-28-19 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 21226868)
That might be it then.

If you have a chance though, check the top plate. They're marked with the size.

-Kurt

Ah, ok. I should be able to have a look on Tuesday.
When I replace it, I'll just be getting an adjustable stand like this one from Velo Orange
https://velo-orange.com/collections/...uble-kickstand

Ballenxj 11-28-19 11:26 PM


Originally Posted by Commando (Post 21226782)
This is it a few years while still in kid-hauler mode,

Ah, now that's cute. I'm sure she will remember those days. :thumb:

gster 11-29-19 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by Commando (Post 21226782)
Well, if you insist. I really should take a better photo one day. This is it a few years while still in kid-hauler mode, we'd spend whole days travelling around and exploring. Dirt paths, creek crossings, hills (a bit more walking than usual), anywhere that took our fancy. Whoever says the AW can't handle a heavy load? I eventually fitted a steering damper from Velo Orange to help with the weight of all the accessories that come with a young kid that were loaded in the Wald basket. The bike is currently back to almost standard, with the original rear rack back on, the basket is on another bike now, and I have have fitted a B66. The front DynoHub disintegrated about 10 years ago so I re-laced with a standard hub. I still have all the original lights. No further plans other than lacing up some alloy rims I've got... and riding heaps.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5a2a9133e7.jpg

My Canadian Superbe has the same eyelets/routing for the rear brake cable.
Yes, great photo.

paulb_in_bkln 11-29-19 08:50 AM

I plucked the wheel/hub from yet another derelict, decomposing Raleigh. Dekalb Ave. Can't yet read year of origin. Probably 70s. Forty spoke AW. Can you have a mania without being a maniac?

dweenk 11-29-19 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 21226868)
That might be it then.

If you have a chance though, check the top plate. They're marked with the size.

-Kurt

Kurt,

Esge/Pletscher makes a universal double stand. You just cut off what you don't need. Max length is 320mm.

Ged117 11-29-19 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 21227075)
I plucked the wheel/hub from yet another derelict, decomposing Raleigh. Dekalb Ave. Can't yet read year of origin. Probably 70s. Forty spoke AW. Can you have a mania without being a maniac?

You're the hero Gotham deserves. When I liberated the '79 Sports from its resting place, I knew I was getting some parts that would be useful again. The frame went to a co-op, where another bike obsessed person slapped on a wheelset with another AW, and got it back out in the street for a person in need of decent transportation.
One of these days you'll find a 36h hub, or an AG, or FG.

cudak888 11-29-19 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 21227159)
Kurt,

Esge/Pletscher makes a universal double stand. You just cut off what you don't need. Max length is 320mm.

I know; just curiosity more than anything else.

I've got a few projects that I'd rather put the Jumbo on, given the opportunity (and the disposable cash!). Nothing's flipping over with that thing...

-Kurt

JaccoW 11-29-19 04:21 PM

Who likes a late 80's mini documentary about Sturmey Archer and their history and their hubs? ;)

gster 11-29-19 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by JaccoW (Post 21227422)
Who likes a late 80's mini documentary about Sturmey Archer and their history and their hubs? ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3QJTTcDXJo

When the music started I thought it might be a Depeche Mode video.....

paulb_in_bkln 11-29-19 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by JaccoW (Post 21227422)
Who likes a late 80's mini documentary about Sturmey Archer and their history and their hubs? ;)

I wondered if Ahnold might make a cameo appearance at that factory. Think this was made after the sale to Sunrace, or before?


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