NYS Law
If I'm reading this correctly, zero reflectors are required during daytime riding?
A bicycle must be equipped with:
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Just wave at the cops a lot, and it won't matter.
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They probably assume that if you use reflectors during night riding you probably won't go to the trouble to remove them for daytime riding. Also, since reflectors work on the principle of reflecting incident light from headlights to make your bike visible, if headlights are not on during the daytime there will be no reflection.
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How could one read it any other way?
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You can verify this for yourself. When it's dark out, shine a light at your wheel reflector. You will see that it sort of shines back at you. This is "reflection." Next look at your reflector in daylight. Even if you point a light at it you will see very little reflection, it is lost amid the ambient daylight. This is normal and nothing to be concerned about. If you are worried about being seen in daylight, the bike shop can sell you a bright flag on a pole.:thumb:
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Originally Posted by taylorgeo
(Post 22589985)
If I'm reading this correctly, zero reflectors are required during daytime riding
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It's interesting to see what different states do for bike regulations. So I took a closer look at your's. This links to fuller set of regulations dealing with bicycles and cyclist.
https://www.dot.ny.gov/display/progr...fety_laws/laws Interesting right off the bat that a bicycle in the State of New York is apparently not considered a vehicle. That's one difference I don't think I like at all. Being considered a vehicle is what gives me more rights to ride my bike where I desire and follow a standards set of rules with less if's and's or but's that both motor vehicles drivers and I will be aware of. How likely is it that a motor vehicle driver will know the differences a cyclist is supposed to follow on the road? Dumb motorist's notwithstanding. § 159. Vehicle. Every device in, upon, or by which any person or property is or may be transported or drawn upon a highway, except devices moved by human power or used exclusively upon stationary rails or track Really surprised at that one as New York city seemed to play a big part in the history of bicycle laws being established way back when. This is actually the first time I've looked at any other states laws and found that a bicycle is not a vehicle there. Most other states a bicycle is a vehicle. Also interesting that young parents can't take their babies with them when they ride. Not that I would if I had one, but some do. § 1238. Passengers on bicycles under one year of age prohibited; passengers and operators under fourteen years of age to wear protective headgear; operators of class three bicycles with electric assist to wear protective headgear. 1. No person operating a bicycle shall allow a person who is under one year of age to ride as a passenger on a bicycle nor shall such person be carried in a pack fastened to the operator. A first violation of the provisions of this subdivision shall result in no fine. A second violation shall result in a civil fine not to exceed fifty dollars. I suppose a child less than one can be pulled in a trailer. Though perhaps there might be verbiage elsewhere that might consider trailers as part of the bicycle or other prohibitions. There is this in the section about Lamps and other equipment on bicycles. (e) Every bicycle when in use during the period from one-half hour after sunset to one-half hour before sunrise shall be equipped with reflective devices or material meeting the standards established by rules and regulations promulgated by the commissioner; provided, however, that such standards shall not be inconsistent with or otherwise conflict with the requirements of subdivisions (a) and (d) of this section. Probably lots of other interesting stuff too. But I have coffee getting cold! |
NYC Police have habits of conducting "crackdowns" on bicycles and cyclists. Usually as a result of a gregarious incident where a cyclist hits and kills a pedestrian or some such. Then the cops swarm the streets targeting cyclists and always seem to have forgotten to actually read up on the appropriate state and city laws pertaining to bikes and riding. I have gotten into arguments with cops middle of the day on my commute when they wanted to cite me for not having reflectors, being unaware that the actual law states only needed after dusk. They are also impatient as you Google the appropriate law to show them. Such is life in NYC, glad to be retired now and never to have to deal with them ever again.
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Originally Posted by Reflector Guy
(Post 22590298)
Well, it says "when purchased new and/or ridden at night".... So I think the correct interpretation is that all new bikes must be equipped with reflectors. And also any other older bike if it happens to be ridden at night.
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Originally Posted by Iride01
(Post 22590322)
Interesting right off the bat that a bicycle in the State of New York is apparently not considered a vehicle. That's one difference I don't think I like at all. Being considered a vehicle is what gives me more rights to ride my bike where I desire and follow a standards set of rules with less if's and's or but's that both motor vehicles drivers and I will be aware of.
Originally Posted by Iride01
(Post 22590322)
How likely is it that a motor vehicle driver will know the differences a cyclist is supposed to follow on the road? Dumb motorist's notwithstanding.
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/VAT/1231 Every person riding a bicycle or skating or gliding on in-line skates upon a roadway shall be granted all of the rights and shall be subject to all of the duties applicable to the driver of a vehicle by this title
Originally Posted by Iride01
(Post 22590322)
Really surprised at that one as New York city seemed to play a big part in the history of bicycle laws being established way back when. This is actually the first time I've looked at any other states laws and found that a bicycle is not a vehicle there. Most other states a bicycle is a vehicle.
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Originally Posted by njkayaker
(Post 22590363)
This law says it doesn't matter (most, if not all, states have this law).
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Yep, reflectors are required on new bicycles being sold. Once the owner takes possession, he/she can legally remove them. Note too that headlights/taillights are only required starting a half-hour *after* sunset until a half-hour *before* sunrise. Most people, even cops, think it's a half-hour before sunset and a half-hour after sunrise. I've never seen a cyclist stopped for lack of a bell. The reason it's required equipment is that a cyclist is required to give a warning when overtaking a pedestrian on a path or sidewalk.
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Originally Posted by njkayaker
(Post 22590355)
You can remove them after purchase. No bike in NYS is required have reflectors when being ridden in daylight.
You could probably carry the reflectors in a saddle bag and install them only when it gets dark. |
Originally Posted by Iride01
(Post 22590378)
Good, you found the equalizing clause.
Originally Posted by Iride01
(Post 22590378)
It wasn't so important for me to find it. I was suspecting something was there, but figured someone will want to look for me.
Originally Posted by Iride01
(Post 22590322)
This is actually the first time I've looked at any other states laws and found that a bicycle is not a vehicle there.
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Originally Posted by njkayaker
(Post 22590385)
It's the fundamental bicycle law.
Interesting. You looked-up (found) a bunch of secondary laws but the basic one "wasn't so important to find". I would hope the things I pointed out would be just food for thought and others investigate for themselves without thinking they have to one-up the other person. |
Originally Posted by njkayaker
(Post 22590385)
Your state also has the "equalizing" law.
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Originally Posted by Iride01
(Post 22590391)
Originally Posted by Iride01
(Post 22590322)
It's interesting to see what different states do for bike regulations. So I took a closer look at your's. This links to fuller set of regulations dealing with bicycles and cyclist.
https://www.dot.ny.gov/display/progr...fety_laws/laws Interesting right off the bat that a bicycle in the State of New York is apparently not considered a vehicle. That's one difference I don't think I like at all. Being considered a vehicle is what gives me more rights to ride my bike where I desire and follow a standards set of rules with less if's and's or but's that both motor vehicles drivers and I will be aware of. How likely is it that a motor vehicle driver will know the differences a cyclist is supposed to follow on the road? Dumb motorist's notwithstanding! I would hope the things I pointed out would be just food for thought and others investigate for themselves without thinking they have to one-up the other person.
Originally Posted by Iride01
(Post 22590391)
I would hope the things I pointed out would be just food for thought and others investigate for themselves without thinking they have to one-up the other person.
Originally Posted by Iride01
(Post 22590398)
A bicycle is also a vehicle in my state.
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Time spent thinking about reflectors for daytime cycling is time wasted.
Requirement for bells on bikes was dropped from Indiana law within the last few years. |
It varies from state to state, but Michigan states that cyclists have the same rights and responsibilities as drivers of vehicles. The law stops short of actually defining a bicycle as a vehicle, though.
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The NYS legal system has 6" x 6" jammed through it's eye socket right now, and this minuscule splinter is just silly business.
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Originally Posted by BlazingPedals
(Post 22590615)
It varies from state to state, but Michigan states that cyclists have the same rights and responsibilities as drivers of vehicles. The law stops short of actually defining a bicycle as a vehicle, though.
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Law & Order: Bicycle Victimhood Unit
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Originally Posted by Iride01
(Post 22590398)
A bicycle is also a vehicle in my state. However you'll have to look that up. You really are pointless and tiresome!
I disagree. He is tiresome and pointless, not pointless and tiresome. That may be too subtle--I'm parodying the level of his arguments. |
Seriously?
I see people doing everything wrong on a bike in front of the police and they do nothing. If you do get stopped by a cop that probably just means he is ticked off today, tag your it, in that case he will make up whatever feels good to him.
I should mention I do not live in NYS. |
Originally Posted by Reflector Guy
(Post 22590298)
Well, it says "when purchased new and/or ridden at night".... So I think the correct interpretation is that all new bikes must be equipped with reflectors. And also any other older bike if it happens to be ridden at night.
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