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kikaso 01-04-16 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 18434551)
I've heard good things about 718 Cyclery but haven't been there and don't know if they have any affinity for old bikes.

A couple of friends of mine run Nomad Cycle in Long Island City. They can definitely get your bike working right.

Larry at Larry's Freewheeling in Harlem started working on Raleigh 3-speeds about 50 years ago and knows everything you need, but he's far.

I just visited Bicycle Habitat in SoHO for the first time in over 30 years, and there's a guy named Hal who appears to be in his 50's. He's an expert mechanic and knows old bikes, and I'd bet he could serve you well, too.

If you visit Larry's or Nomad, please tell them I sent you!

If you don't have any luck, you can bring your bike to me. I don't work in the industry any more, but I can help. I'm in the West Village (Manhattan).

Thanks, noglider!

I might try Nomad. I'll let you know how it goes.

noglider 01-04-16 11:56 AM

@kikaso, please do let me know. The owners are named Jane and Damon.

gster 01-05-16 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 18433558)
Yikes!
Well, here's my Rudge so far. I sanded through the old over paint to get an accurate measurement and placement of the downtube graphic since I'm planning on reproducing it. Today, I finished the prep work and gave her a couple coats of rattle can black paint. It has a non-Raleigh fork with no fender stay lugs. I decided to leave it since it's nice and straight and this bike isn't getting fenders anyway.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=496539http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=496540

Those pink handle bars are a bit different....

Velocivixen 01-05-16 04:50 PM

@gster - It could be that it's preparing for Mardi Gras - that sort of wild, tousled look. :thumb:

BigChief 01-06-16 04:14 AM

I think of it as a bold fashion statement.

Dan Burkhart 01-06-16 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 18431981)
I've seen, Ralieghs, Gliders, British made Supercycles (for Canadian Tire), Dunelts, Hercules, Triumph, BSA, Philips and one Norman that I bought last fall. An also Robin Hood. Of course there are lots of CCM 3 speeds
as well.

Glider was Eaton's store brand. I believe Raleigh built bikes for them at one time.

Sixty Fiver 01-06-16 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by Dan Burkhart (Post 18438846)
Glider was Eaton's store brand. I believe Raleigh built bikes for them at one time.

Almost of the Glider's I have come across have been re-badged Raleigh Sports, this was a top of the line offering.

arex 01-06-16 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 18439202)
Almost of the Glider's I have come across have been re-badged Raleigh Sports, this was a top of the line offering.

Including the fork..?

Sixty Fiver 01-06-16 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by arex (Post 18439264)
Including the fork..?

The Glider did not come with Raleigh's thimble crown... this was the same as other Raleigh sub brands that were otherwise identical save for paint and decals.

kalash74 01-06-16 02:44 PM

I'm building up a new wheelset with 28 x 1.1/2" alloy rims I got from Holland. Can someone suggest me some stainless steel spokes (14G) that look vintage and not modern?

Dan Burkhart 01-06-16 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by kalash74 (Post 18439977)
I'm building up a new wheelset with 28 x 1.1/2" alloy rims I got from Holland. Can someone suggest me some stainless steel spokes (14G) that look vintage and not modern?

If you insist on vintage spokes, go with galvanized steel. 14 g stainless pretty much all look the same.

kalash74 01-06-16 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by Dan Burkhart (Post 18440018)
If you insist on vintage spokes, go with galvanized steel. 14 g stainless pretty much all look the same.

I want to go with stainless for better performance. I also understand that these were used in the past on higher-end machines going back to at least the 1950s, maybe as early as the 1930s. Is there a certain brand I should get? What length do I need? I'm having a local bike shop do the work, but I want to make sure they have the right parts.

Dan Burkhart 01-06-16 03:01 PM

I love it when one of these comes to me for service. This Superbe was brought to me a few days ago, minus the wheels, but with a set of hubs.
The owner was not sure of the date on the bike, and the hubs he had were not original to the bike, but the SA AW is dated 1977.
Anyway, I built the hubs into a set of CR 18 rims, overhauled both hubs, the BB and headset. Not much wear showing anywhere, but any grease that was left was dry and hard. Don't think it had been ridden in years.
Anyway, done and ready to go.

http://i65.tinypic.com/23jo8ky.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/2ut70wl.jpg

And before anybody says anything about the excess cable at the shifter, the owner said he wanted it like that so he can put a riser bar on it.

arex 01-06-16 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by kalash74 (Post 18440022)
I want to go with stainless for better performance. I also understand that these were used in the past on higher-end machines going back to at least the 1950s, maybe as early as the 1930s. Is there a certain brand I should get? What length do I need? I'm having a local bike shop do the work, but I want to make sure they have the right parts.

It's hard to go wrong with DT Swiss.

arex 01-06-16 03:02 PM

That's beautiful.



Originally Posted by Dan Burkhart (Post 18440024)
I love it when one of these comes to me for service. This Superbe was brought to me a few days ago, minus the wheels, but with a set of hubs.
The owner was not sure of the date on the bike, and the hubs he had were not original to the bike, but the SA AW is dated 1977.
Anyway, I built the hubs into a set of CR 18 rims, overhauled both hubs, the BB and headset. Not much wear showing anywhere, but any grease that was left was dry and hard. Don't think it had been ridden in years.
Anyway, done and ready to go.
http://i64.tinypic.com/2ut70wl.jpg


Dan Burkhart 01-06-16 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by kalash74 (Post 18440022)
I want to go with stainless for better performance. I also understand that these were used in the past on higher-end machines going back to at least the 1950s, maybe as early as the 1930s. Is there a certain brand I should get? What length do I need? I'm having a local bike shop do the work, but I want to make sure they have the right parts.

Stainless is the better choice for sure. Length will be dependent on hub and rim dimensions, number of spoke and lacing pattern. If you trust your bike shop to do the work, you need to trust them to know how to calculate spoke length and supply the parts. It's the most elementary part of the wheel building process.

noglider 01-06-16 03:14 PM

Why are stainless spokes better? Galvanized have been good enough for me.

@Dan Burkhart, the stem and bars are not original, are they?

Dan Burkhart 01-06-16 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 18440065)
Why are stainless spokes better? Galvanized have been good enough for me.

@Dan Burkhart, the stem and bars are not original, are they?

Cause stainless spokes are shiny.:lol:

I think the stem is original, but the bar has a Velo Orange logo on it.

dweenk 01-06-16 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 18440065)
Why are stainless spokes better? Galvanized have been good enough for me.

@Dan Burkhart, the stem and bars are not original, are they?

I am riding a few bikes with rusty galvanized or plated spokes. Although they are not pretty, they seem to get the job done. In my mind they are OK for riders.

FoldMeSideways 01-06-16 04:15 PM

I have a new project that belongs here. A Hercules Royal Prince which has seen some better days. A lot of surface rust, a few paint chips, and fenders that are MiA. Still trying to dig up info on it, but most seems to have been lost to time itself. All I know is it is pre-1960 before Raleigh aquired the company. It'll be my winter project bike and get cleaned up some, a bit of clear coat and some polish, new tires, and possibly some wooden fenders.
http://i.imgur.com/NkjZzrm.jpg

noglider 01-06-16 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 18440248)
I am riding a few bikes with rusty galvanized or plated spokes. Although they are not pretty, they seem to get the job done. In my mind they are OK for riders.

In about 1983, I built two bikes for myself, a "nice" bike, my Mclean, and a commuter bike. I used DT stainless on the nice bike and DT galvanized on the commuter bike. I am still using both pairs of wheels. Of course, DT doesn't make galvanized spokes any more, or if they do, we can't get them here in the US.

3speedslow 01-06-16 05:03 PM

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Nice SA hub cog for my 73' Raleigh.

Does not even look used. Came from the bin of my local bike shop.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=496979 20T just what I needed

BigChief 01-06-16 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by FoldMeSideways (Post 18440250)
I have a new project that belongs here. A Hercules Royal Prince which has seen some better days. A lot of surface rust, a few paint chips, and fenders that are MiA. Still trying to dig up info on it, but most seems to have been lost to time itself. All I know is it is pre-1960 before Raleigh aquired the company. It'll be my winter project bike and get cleaned up some, a bit of clear coat and some polish, new tires, and possibly some wooden fenders.

That's a nice one. Black Hercules fenders show up from time to time. I think they would look nice with the black chainguard.

FoldMeSideways 01-06-16 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 18440435)
That's a nice one. Black Hercules fenders show up from time to time. I think they would look nice with the black chainguard.


Seeing as though I have uncovered very little information on this bicycle, I don't have high hopes of finding original parts. That said, I will keep an eye out for them. If I can keep the bike with the proper parts I would prefer to do so.

adventurepdx 01-06-16 08:49 PM

Slightly on a tangent, but this bike reminds me of what a good ol' three speed can be, for good reason.

I came across a Novara Transfer in the wild today. For those of you outside of the US, Novara is the house bike/bike accessory brand of REI, our big outdoor co-op chain, analogous to MEC in Canada. I really liked this bike as it was a fully loaded (as sold) commuter: Nexus 7 speed internally geared hub, Novatech dynamo hub with AXA/Basta head and tail lamps, chainguard, rear rack, fenders, and a chromoly frame and fork. All for about $700. But because it's too damn practical, of course REI discontinued it. Now they have nothing similar.

It's one of the few modern bikes that I've seen that are similar to a Raleigh Superbe in all its features, and adjusting for inflation, it's probably about as much as a Superbe cost back in the day. When they were discounting the remaining Transfers a couple years ago, I almost thought about grabbing one, but didn't have the available cash.
Novara Transfer Bike - 2013 - REI.com

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1510/2...01c65d7f_z.jpg


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