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BigChief 12-02-18 11:48 PM

Good! You found our 3 speed hangout. You can still get the traditional English Fibrax brake pads. I used them on my Rudge instead of my usual salmon Kool Stops because I wanted to keep the look as original as possible on that bike.

gster 12-03-18 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by raleighroadster (Post 20688302)
1939 time warp Raleigh sports tourist, ,bought todayhttps://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7561a9179.jpeg
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https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a09f6cc63.jpeg1931 flashlight holder on handlebars!Will replace the aftermarket grips with a pair of original ones I got from England, and will find original style brake blocks. The wheels run true, rear could be touched up. Dunlap steel rims .tangent frame mount shifter works well. Came with owners sheet , original tools, original raleigh pump which still works, 4 spring steel pants clamps, and a really old Sturmey Archer all metal oil can w metal extension tube on top to reach hub oil port. Bought from son, father rode it from new until he died 15 years ago. Stored inside all of its 79 years and hardly ridden. Shiny paint and complete decals. A w 9 on rear 3 spd hub, 1939 , which also agrees w serial number. Will shine it up and get some better photos using the dslr.
owner said after he put new tires , brake blocks and handgrips on it he took it on a 10 mi ride with no issues.

Wow!
Good score.
Would you be willing to tell the price?

raleighroadster 12-03-18 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20688636)
Wow!
Good score.
Would you be willing to tell the price?

There is one that is quite similar for sale near Chicago, from what others have said, that is $1200. This one was higher then the $495 that I paid, but no bites in RI/MA area south of Worcester MA on craigslist, so price was lowered. I got a free bike on facebook and flipped it for $300 the week before, so I am $195 out of pocket. . I certainly could not restore the 1927 dublin roadster for that, so I am selling the 1927 and just riding this 1939 around town.

raleighroadster 12-03-18 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20688395)
Good! You found our 3 speed hangout. You can still get the traditional English Fibrax brake pads. I used them on my Rudge instead of my usual salmon Kool Stops because I wanted to keep the look as original as possible on that bike.

Thanks!

gster 12-03-18 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by raleighroadster (Post 20688658)
There is one that is quite similar for sale near Chicago, from what others have said, that is $1200. This one was higher then the $495 that I paid, but no bites in RI/MA area south of Worcester MA on craigslist, so price was lowered. I got a free bike on facebook and flipped it for $300 the week before, so I am $195 out of pocket. . I certainly could not restore the 1927 dublin roadster for that, so I am selling the 1927 and just riding this 1939 around town.

Sounds like a very good deal for a bike of that vintage with a known history and paperwork etc.
Lots of good info and knowledge available from this forum.

Ballenxj 12-03-18 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by raleighroadster (Post 20688302)
1939 time warp Raleigh sports tourist, ,bought today1931 flashlight holder on handlebars!Will replace the aftermarket grips with a pair of original ones I got from England, and will find original style brake blocks. The wheels run true, rear could be touched up. Dunlap steel rims .tangent frame mount shifter works well. Came with owners sheet , original tools, original raleigh pump which still works, 4 spring steel pants clamps, and a really old Sturmey Archer all metal oil can w metal extension tube on top to reach hub oil port. Bought from son, father rode it from new until he died 15 years ago. Stored inside all of its 79 years and hardly ridden. Shiny paint and complete decals. A w 9 on rear 3 spd hub, 1939 , which also agrees w serial number. Will shine it up and get some better photos using the dslr.
owner said after he put new tires , brake blocks and handgrips on it he took it on a 10 mi ride with no issues.

That is one heck of a time capsule! The spring steel pants clamps, as well as Sturmey Archer oil can are pretty rare, I imagine. If you don't mind, please post photos of those too? :)

raleighroadster 12-03-18 09:41 AM


Ballenxj 12-03-18 10:26 AM

^^ raleighroadster ^^, SWEET! Having those original accessories really complete the time capsule. :thumb:

RobHalligan 12-04-18 02:21 PM

Could any of you help me source a Raleigh stem binder bolt and nut? They hold the handlebars to the stem. I had a few, but I've gone though them all on a string of bikes that have had stripped bolts. Handlebars collapse out of position when a rider leans on them when the bolt is bad. I think the same bolts fit all the 3 speed variants. Googling and eBaying the US and UK sites hasn't turned up anything. Maybe there is a better name for them than stem binder or pinch bolt that would help. Thanks in advance.

BigChief 12-05-18 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by RobHalligan (Post 20690860)
Could any of you help me source a Raleigh stem binder bolt and nut? They hold the handlebars to the stem. I had a few, but I've gone though them all on a string of bikes that have had stripped bolts. Handlebars collapse out of position when a rider leans on them when the bolt is bad. I think the same bolts fit all the 3 speed variants. Googling and eBaying the US and UK sites hasn't turned up anything. Maybe there is a better name for them than stem binder or pinch bolt that would help. Thanks in advance.

I'll look around later today, I may have one. It is the type of think a lot of us here might have since we tend to keep things like bent stems. I can't help but wonder since you say stripped bolts have been an issue, that maybe you're trying to clamp Raleigh 15/16" bars in a 1" stem clamp.

Ged117 12-05-18 11:34 AM

Hi everyone,

I'm currently reading through this incredible thread. I'm at page 92 so I may skip ahead..

Anyway, I've got the three speed bug, and I've found this one locally that I'm picking up this weekend. Here is a photo: What year do you think it is? With the colour and decal, I was thinking late 60s since one was posted many moons ago with the same particulars. I'm not sure of the size yet.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...31bfb5b747.jpg

noglider 12-05-18 12:05 PM

@Ged117, I think they started using that font on the down tube in 1973. You will be able to read the date stamp on the rear hub, so adding 0 or 1 to it will give you the date for the bike. It looks like a 21" frame, and the bike looks to be in good condition.

Ged117 12-05-18 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 20692141)
@Ged117, I think they started using that font on the down tube in 1973. You will be able to read the date stamp on the rear hub, so adding 0 or 1 to it will give you the date for the bike. It looks like a 21" frame, and the bike looks to be in good condition.

Thanks Tom. The colour looks more like matte green or BRG unlike the more '70s shiny green I've seen elsewhere. The original Brooks looks good too - maybe it'll need some leather treatment while I'm cleaning and performing maintenance. I'm 6'3" and mostly legs so I'm hoping it will fit OK based on my reading here. The 23" bikes are very hard to find. I'll upload a bunch of photos when I collect it.

Hudson308 12-05-18 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 20692362)
Thanks Tom. The colour looks more like matte green or BRG unlike the more '70s shiny green I've seen elsewhere. The original Brooks looks good too - maybe it'll need some leather treatment while I'm cleaning and performing maintenance. I'm 6'3" and mostly legs so I'm hoping it will fit OK based on my reading here. The 23" bikes are very hard to find. I'll upload a bunch of photos when I collect it.

I suspect that bike is waaaaay too small for you at 6'3!

Ged117 12-05-18 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by Hudson308 (Post 20692414)
I suspect that bike is waaaaay too small for you at 6'3!

I'm hoping that what folks have been saying about sizing with these as compared with road bikes means it'll be forgiving. My Voyageur is a tad small too. I'm between 6'2 and 6'3.

Do you fellows think it'll be a waste of time for me to pursue it?

arty dave 12-05-18 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 20692427)
I'm hoping that what folks have been saying about sizing with these as compared with road bikes means it'll be forgiving. My Voyageur is a tad small too. I'm between 6'2 and 6'3.

Do you fellows think it'll be a waste of time for me to pursue it?

Depends... if it's cheap maybe it's worth grabbing for the parts, you've got the nice brooks B72 saddle and the saddlebag, and everything is in great condition. You then have to worry less about the condition of a larger sports you find in the future if you can swap parts around.
Some taller people here have made the smaller frames work with a taller stem and seatpost. Myself - I'm 6' 1 & 1/2" and found even the 23" sports to be too short for me in the top tube, even with a longer stem. But I'm less legs and more torso.
Just noticed that hub ... it's a coaster brake & I've heard they're lacking in power, however I can't comment personally about the SA coaster hubs

markk900 12-05-18 06:05 PM

Probably depends on the cost....I am 6'1" and originally had a Glider (sort of same bike made by Raleigh) in that size and it was perfectly rideable with a long seat post; but its not at all like a drop bar bike and has a very crowded cockpit. I later got a larger framed Humber and its fine. As to the coaster brake, might be OK and its certainly not as common as the regular AW hub....wouldn't take much to swap if you didn't like it and put on a rear caliper brake.. again - how much do you want to spend?

nlerner 12-05-18 06:42 PM

That bike is '73-ish or whenever those truly awful self-adjusting brake levers were used. And, yes it's too small for you.

wahoonc 12-05-18 08:07 PM

I am 6'-2" with long legs and ride a 21" frame Sports with an extra long seat post. Rode one for years. Yes the 23" frame would be a better fit, but ya run what ya brung!

Bike is probably a 1973 model as has been pointed out. Here is my 1971 21" doing beer duty, note the extended seat post.

Aaron :)

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bdd9d5ac41.jpg

BigChief 12-06-18 04:40 AM

I agree with the opinions here. I think you would be better off holding out for a 23" frame with a regular AW hub. Also, those self adjusting brake levers are awful, but can be made to operate normally by removing the pawl spring inside. The traditional levers they used for many years before the self adjusters or the later alloy levers are much more desirable.

thumpism 12-06-18 07:42 AM

I'm with them. Part of that is personal in that I don't like CB hubs, even multi-speed CB hubs; I'm a double caliper kind of guy. And I'd recommend holding out for a 23" frame unless you have looked and absolutely cannot find one. As soon as you buy this bike and have spent all your discretionary bike funds you will find a 23" in perfect condition. It's that simple.

gster 12-06-18 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 20692745)
That bike is '73-ish or whenever those truly awful self-adjusting brake levers were used. And, yes it's too small for you.

I agree, too small but could be made somewhat rideable by raising bars and seat. My current bikes are all 23" with the exception of a 1952 BSA @ 21" which has raised seat and bars.
I'm 6' tall.

gster 12-06-18 10:47 AM

O.T
My little runabout has been put away for the winter.
I built a riser in the garage and it sits above one of the cars.
There's about 1" clearance at the back with the garage door open.
It seems that math IS important....
Work will continue in the spring.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2f417ad1e4.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1a9e30555c.jpg

harrysachz 12-06-18 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 20660741)
I posted this bike in another thread, but thought I'd put it here, too, as it is a 3-speed of sorts: I acquired a fairly beat Peugeot PX-10 frameset and in trying a variety of wheel sizes, discovered that EA3/590mm wheels would work with a set of Weinmann 750 center pull calipers. I had to build a front wheel to match the rear (solid-axle Normandy hub and Sun CR-18 rim), but otherwise used French and English bits that were in the bin:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4851/...8ce09487_c.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4804/...83172374_c.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4828/...e113482d_c.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4809/...e585654e_c.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4840/...9891ee33_c.jpg

Total weight as shown is about 23.5 lbs, partially because the rear AW is in a 36-hole alloy shell. I've yet to ride it much and will commute on it later this week, but it felt stable and quick in my brief test rides.

Very cool build! I bet she's a fun commuter!

arty dave 12-06-18 02:59 PM

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Not OT - Vintage bicycle riders heaven...seven brooks saddles hanging on the wall :)


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