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thumpism 10-11-23 02:42 PM

Looks like a 23", looks Dutch, looks like it's weathered...but it's only $100 in NJ.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...34123145605999

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tcs 10-11-23 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by gna (Post 23038838)
There's all sorts of conflicting information on what oil to use.

It's sort of a game with amateur tribologists to use something other than the factory recommendation. The Sturmey factory consistently specifies NLGI #2 grease for the bearings and labyrinth seals and either NLGI #00 grease or 20~30 wt. motor oil for the internal mechanism.

Fun fact: during and after the war, when things were rationed and in short supply, Sturmey suggested sewing machine oil as a substitute for the internal mechanism and Vaseline for the bearings and seals. (!)

gna 10-11-23 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by tcs (Post 23039975)
It's sort of a game with amateur tribologists to use something other than the factory recommendation. The Sturmey factory consistently specifies NLGI #2 grease for the bearings and labyrinth seals and either NLGI #00 grease or 20~30 wt. motor oil for the internal mechanism.

Fun fact: during and after the war, when things were rationed and in short supply, Sturmey suggested sewing machine oil as a substitute for the internal mechanism and Vaseline for the bearings and seals. (!)

The grease recommendations are relatively recent--if you look at old Sturmey info, they state "Only thin good quality oil should be used for the lubrication of Sturmey-Archer hubs. Thick oils or grease must not be used, but when a hub is dismantled a small amount of grease or vaseline may be put on the ball races only." (Note that this information contradicts other information from Sturmey-Archer, to put grease only on the labyrinth seals.)

thumpism 10-11-23 09:37 PM

Man, even that dent is shiny. $90 in PA.

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Johno59 10-12-23 12:21 AM

Bargain
 
[QUOTE=zookster;23039700]Slightly crusty rod brake Raleigh for sale on FB in Auburn, AL for $50. It is somewhat nearby (about 2 hrs away) but I am going to be out of town until the 25th. If it is still listed then I will try to go have a look at it. Also sent a message to the seller to see if I can put a deposit (or pay in full, it's only $50) and have them hold it until I get back in town.
Rod Brake Raleigh

Seller's pictures:
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a8cb060e79.jpg

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5acadbe259.jpg

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...13c3b41f50.jpg

It looks original. The seat alone is worth the asking price.

zookster 10-12-23 10:47 AM

[QUOTE=Johno59;23040260]

Originally Posted by zookster (Post 23039700)
Slightly crusty rod brake Raleigh for sale on FB in Auburn, AL for $50. It is somewhat nearby (about 2 hrs away) but I am going to be out of town until the 25th. If it is still listed then I will try to go have a look at it. Also sent a message to the seller to see if I can put a deposit (or pay in full, it's only $50) and have them hold it until I get back in town.
Rod Brake Raleigh

Seller's pictures:

It looks original. The seat alone is worth the asking price.

It sold last night. Missed out on that one!

thumpism 10-12-23 06:55 PM

Puch Rugby Sport for $100 in PA. Missing front fender, wrong pedals, still a good buy,

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...39836925234709

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Johno59 10-13-23 03:00 PM

[QUOTE=zookster;23040625]

Originally Posted by Johno59 (Post 23040260)

It sold last night. Missed out on that one!

DAMMMIITTT!!!

gna 10-15-23 12:49 PM

3 Speed Sprite. Nice for taller lady:
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9fd49a82e4.jpg

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...4481778410668/

tcs 10-15-23 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by gna (Post 23040109)
The grease recommendations are relatively recent--

Yeah, just since 1984...40 years ago!

thumpism 10-15-23 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by gna (Post 23043191)
3 Speed Sprite. Nice for taller lady:

And 27" wheels, making it somewhat easier to go with alloys. We all have a spare front alloy wheel plus a matching rim with spokes for the rear, right?
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$50 Rudge in NJ.

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gna 10-15-23 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 23043325)
And 27" wheels, making it somewhat easier to go with alloys. We all have a spare front alloy wheel plus a matching rim with spokes for the rear, right?

Probably easy to convert to 700c, too. Plenty of room on those brakes.

Cyclespanner 10-16-23 04:10 AM

Posted elsewhere on the forum 'Raleigh Chiltern Find') but no harm introducing myself/bike on this venerable thread?

Here's my recent purchase....a 1991 Raleigh 'Chiltern'.
It is absolutely mint; never ridden or spannered. Spent its life dry stored at the back of a garage.
A once over reveals this to be effectively a NOS machine.....I'm delighted and proud to own it.

BTW is 'SirMike1983' the chap who runs the excellent 'In The Bike Shed' blog?


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...256bb71231.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2acd00713f.jpg

sunburst 10-16-23 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by rjhammett (Post 23023268)
I have this one and a light alloy seat post waiting in the wings. I will install them when she is ready to ride it.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...75cd4bc18c.jpg

I added a B67, Uno setback seat post, and basket to mine recently. The previous owner put on the new stem, risers and Electra grips (feel really great!). All these changes made a too small frame fit me almost perfectly. It has become my favorite bike to putt around on.

The previous owner had a B17 on it. while swapping saddles I discovered the B17, although short, is longer than the B67. Big surprise as I've owned about five of each and never noticed or thought about it, being mainly concerned about width differences. So I swapped the seatpost and forced the B67 back to its absolute limits, and it just barely works (long femurs). I'm thrilled with the results. This bike is an absolute kick to ride. I tried to get the decal off the seatpost with acetone (as I was advised) but no luck.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bf00347018.jpg

SirMike1983 10-16-23 08:14 PM

https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...016_175225.jpg

swampyankee2 10-17-23 09:42 AM

My friend sent me this link to an eBay ad. $780 for a Triumph 3 speed?? He is eternally grateful that I picked up that $50 Triumph for him!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/23520624777...is&media=EMAIL

bluesteak 10-17-23 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 23044437)

Awesome!!

capnjonny 10-17-23 12:52 PM

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1a2aa6d8e3.jpg
Nothing fancy here folks, just another Raliegh Sport. mostly cleanup and a good polish to make the psint glow. One thing i did was save the existing saddle from athe trash can. When examined the cover was loose. both the rivets on the side had pulled through and the cover just slid off. Looking at the frame it was missing 3 of the springs that support the saddle. I looked around the shop and noticed a saddle frame hanging on the wall in the Grotto, our work and misc. part storage area. It was the same frame with all the springs in place. I swapped the two and installed the cover on this frame. Not having any rivits I found some round head bolts and nuts the appropriate size and used them to attach the cover. It worked a treat and now the bike looks like new again.

swampyankee2 10-17-23 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by capnjonny (Post 23044937)
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1a2aa6d8e3.jpg
Nothing fancy here folks, just another Raliegh Sport. mostly cleanup and a good polish to make the psint glow. One thing i did was save the existing saddle from athe trash can. When examined the cover was loose. both the rivets on the side had pulled through and the cover just slid off. Looking at the frame it was missing 3 of the springs that support the saddle. I looked around the shop and noticed a saddle frame hanging on the wall in the Grotto, our work and misc. part storage area. It was the same frame with all the springs in place. I swapped the two and installed the cover on this frame. Not having any rivits I found some round head bolts and nuts the appropriate size and used them to attach the cover. It worked a treat and now the bike looks like new again.

Nice! Looks like it was in good nick to start. It's amazing how these bikes respond to a bit of oil and polish rag. And those gumwalls set it off as well. I put some on my Cellar hole '71 Sport and it makes it pop, albeit maybe a bit gaudy

thumpism 10-17-23 04:04 PM

$75 Sports in RI.

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gster 10-18-23 11:59 AM

1962 Canadian Superbe
A friend brought this over yesterday for a little tune up.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b938c91ec3.jpg
Quite original and also quite neglected....
Original ball end brake calipers
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bb4bf60504.jpg
Oil port on the BB
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a3d1847ca6.jpg
Stamped eye on the heron.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5b729e108e.jpg
Decals are nice.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...03e7790a0f.jpg
Plus a couple of others
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e242867d39.jpg
R.C.I.C.I.
Not sure what it stands for
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d65c567422.jpg
Soddard? Perhaps the bike shop.
One more thing. I learned a little trick today.
The oil port on the hub would not stay closed.
I heated it VERY briefly with a lighter and it seems to be holding.

SirMike1983 10-18-23 12:04 PM

1953 Lenton set up as a tourist.

https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...017_174842.jpg

Sedgemop 10-18-23 01:26 PM

I like the looks of this 2 speed. Anybody have experience with the 2 speed Bendix?

Vintage 1960’s Schwinn Flying Star 2-Speed Bicycle $200 Watseka, IL


Facebook IL Schwinn

Mostly original paint with some old touch-ups. Respoked 2 Speed Bendix rear rim works good. 26” x 1 3/4” middleweight rides great.

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SirMike1983 10-18-23 01:35 PM

The Bendix manual 2 speed was popular in the 1950s and into the early 1960s. Drive is 1:1 in high and .67 in low. The kickback "auto" 2-speed showed up about 1961 to replace the lever-actuated manual. The issue with those bikes is the frame sizes are quite small for an adult rider. This can be helped with a layback type seat post or a BMX style tall post. It's helpful to have spare parts for these hubs, but they're not unduly difficult to work on. The braking power on them is pretty good, though it always helps to add a front brake. Assume you'll need to disassemble, clean, and re-grease it unless it's from someone who understands old hubs.

Sedgemop 10-18-23 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 23045850)
The Bendix manual 2 speed was popular in the 1950s and into the early 1960s. Drive is 1:1 in high and .67 in low. The kickback "auto" 2-speed showed up about 1961 to replace the lever-actuated manual. The issue with those bikes is the frame sizes are quite small for an adult rider. This can be helped with a layback type seat post or a BMX style tall post. It's helpful to have spare parts for these hubs, but they're not unduly difficult to work on. The braking power on them is pretty good, though it always helps to add a front brake. Assume you'll need to disassemble, clean, and re-grease it unless it's from someone who understands old hubs.

Appreciate the info, SirMike. Figured you'd know about Bendix.

gster 10-18-23 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by Sedgemop (Post 23045940)
Appreciate the info, SirMike. Figured you'd know about Bendix.

I've got a Raleigh built Eatons Glider with a Torpedo 2 speed kick back hub.
Nice ride.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f6ae14f4e8.jpg
Currently set up with upright bars.

oldspokes 10-18-23 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by Sedgemop (Post 23045841)
I like the looks of this 2 speed. Anybody have experience with the 2 speed Bendix?

Vintage 1960s Schwinn Flying Star 2-Speed Bicycle $200 Watseka, IL


Facebook IL Schwinn

Mostly original paint with some old touch-ups. Respoked 2 Speed Bendix rear rim works good. 26 x 1 3/4 middleweight rides great.

That bike is a '55 or '56 judging by the paint scheme and chain guard, as well as the straight bar frame. 57 and 58 were cantilever frames, and it returned in 1961 for one year with the straight bar frame again but the paint scheme was different.
These were very similar to a Schwinn American also sold during the same period but with the straight bar 'DX' frame.
These were considered middleweight bikes and used 26x1.75 S7 rims and tires.

The Bendix 2 speed was a fairly simple hub to work on, and it was super reliable. I don't recall ever finding one broken or in need of any serious repairs. Usually I find them just neglected with a bunch of dried out grease.

Here's one torn apart on the bench:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...118236860a.jpg

Sedgemop 10-18-23 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by oldspokes (Post 23046023)
That bike is a '55 or '56 judging by the paint scheme and chain guard, as well as the straight bar frame. 57 and 58 were cantilever frames, and it returned in 1961 for one year with the straight bar frame again but the paint scheme was different.
These were very similar to a Schwinn American also sold during the same period but with the straight bar 'DX' frame.
These were considered middleweight bikes and used 26x1.75 S7 rims and tires.

The Bendix 2 speed was a fairly simple hub to work on, and it was super reliable. I don't recall ever finding one broken or in need of any serious repairs. Usually I find them just neglected with a bunch of dried out grease.

Here's one torn apart on the bench:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...118236860a.jpg

Thought the frame seemed earlier than 60's. Thanks for the detailed info.

thumpism 10-20-23 03:35 PM

Nice Hercules for $135 in NY.
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Road Fan 10-20-23 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by tcs (Post 23039975)
It's sort of a game with amateur tribologists to use something other than the factory recommendation. The Sturmey factory consistently specifies NLGI #2 grease for the bearings and labyrinth seals and either NLGI #00 grease or 20~30 wt. motor oil for the internal mechanism.

Fun fact: during and after the war, when things were rationed and in short supply, Sturmey suggested sewing machine oil as a substitute for the internal mechanism and Vaseline for the bearings and seals. (!)


How about Finish Line Wet Bicycle Lube to be dripped into a Sturmey hub? I can't say how it compares to 20-30 wt motor oil.


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