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Here is an update on the changes to UCI track cycling
https://www.uci.org/track/news/2020/...g-world-league It is interesting to see GCN's involvement because I've noticed they increased mention of track cycling in recent months. |
Originally Posted by 700wheel
(Post 21353122)
Here is an update on the changes to UCI track cycling
https://www.uci.org/track/news/2020/...g-world-league It is interesting to see GCN's involvement because I've noticed they increased mention of track cycling in recent months. |
Nice... now you can show up with only four riders to a event.
I can’t get my head around how they are not doing a full omnium. This at least would be in line with the olympics and would help to develop the discipline. also no madison?! What’s more spectacular for tv viewers? lets see what events the other new format will hold. But I guess we won’t see as much progress in the next Olympic cyclus as we saw in this one. |
Originally Posted by carleton
(Post 21337229)
At that price, why make one frame for sprint and pursuit? The reference LOOKs come in sprint and pursuit variants. Both at around $10K each.
At this level of the sport, why are teams settling for this one-frame-for-all approach? This is like everyone on the Olympic Track & Field (Athletics) team wearing the same shoes. (I’m being hyperbolic, but you get my point). That look pursuit bike at the time was a slightly modified road TT bike. |
Originally Posted by pierrej
(Post 21355366)
Molds cost more, the sprint frame is very different on the inside and much stiffer than the pursuit bike.
Originally Posted by pierrej
(Post 21355366)
That look pursuit bike at the time was a slightly modified road TT bike.
As were the first LOOK 496 (the road TT frame was also called 496) and Felt TK1 (modeled after the Felt DA). On a related note, when Hoy started his bike company, I really wished that he would have created a top tier sprint frame (and line of components) that a person on his level would want to use. I do appreciate him making quality, inexpensive bikes for beginner and intermediate racers, but I just really thought he was gonna make a Dolan/UKSI/FES/LOOK challenger. Oh well. Speaking of FES, that's what it looks like when your engineers make a dedicated sprint bike. |
4 or more years of one track bike may sell less than one year of an entry level roady though, even cervelo stopped producing track bikes because they just don't sell. The 'elite' track frame market is minuscule and companies just won't bother unless it makes financial sense.
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Originally Posted by pierrej
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4 or more years of one track bike may sell less than one year of an entry level roady though, even cervelo stopped producing track bikes because they just don't sell. The 'elite' track frame market is minuscule and companies just won't bother unless it makes financial sense.
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Originally Posted by topflightpro
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3T discontinued the Scatto bars because they didn't make sense financially, even if they are one of the most popular track bars around.
Still... you would think that at what they msrp at, you'd just keep the mold ready and make a couple when you get an order. |
Originally Posted by topflightpro
(Post 21358769)
3T discontinued the Scatto bars because they didn't make sense financially, even if they are one of the most popular track bars around.
Originally Posted by Morelock
(Post 21358799)
Yeah, I think one of the issues particular to the Scatto was - if you wanted one, you probably have one by now.
Still... you would think that at what they msrp at, you'd just keep the mold ready and make a couple when you get an order. |
Originally Posted by topflightpro
(Post 21358769)
3T discontinued the Scatto bars because they didn't make sense financially, even if they are one of the most popular track bars around.
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Interesting track news portal - lots of links
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The Aerocoach „Vorzug“ Track pursuit bar didn’t get a mention yet... but the only other track specific pursuit bar I know of is the use Tula track.
even the handlebars on most super bikes are just road versions. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...055c91a36.jpeg Ordered one just to support that they are investing in track (with probably low reward financially). |
I missed this at the time but at the UCI mountain bike eliminator world champs last year Büchli and Hoogland took part with the latter finishing 8th! Impressive technical skills, although i suppose that is to be expected from someone that started out in BMX
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You can watch Korea Pro Keirin races here
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYV...Q5VwfCeuVDABbg |
Fun video I saw on FB. Nothing like a 1' Max effort to remind you how slow time really moves.
I've been stuck trying to break 700 for a while now... that last 8-12 seconds I always fall to pieces. |
New Vittoria pista tyres for the ultra high end.
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think the Australians are still on 19? |
Originally Posted by SynergyPro
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only in 23mm, the pista is still available in 19mm.
think the Australians are still on 19? |
Originally Posted by Baby Puke
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Praying 19mm stays in production...
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Originally Posted by topflightpro
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Might want to go ahead and stock up now.
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Baby Puke the good news is even if tech on 19mm tyres stopped right now, the Pista Speed Vittorias are very good, it'll be many years before they aren't at the very very pointy end. That said, even the last bastion (track) seems like it's finally joining the wider trend. Makes sense overall, but does indeed suck for older narrow wheels like the (non-rio) iO and trispokes.
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Originally Posted by Baby Puke
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23mm would look like a monster truck tire on my early 2000's (??) era IO. Please track cycling gods, have pity!
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Originally Posted by topflightpro
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I have one of the last IOs before the Rio. 23s aren't that bad on it. I'm not sure if my version is wider than yours though.
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Yes, we make a 4-Bolt and 5-Bolt version of the adapter. It goes 110BCD to 144BCD with space for Sram and Quark PM electronics.
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https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c8c529f7a.jpeg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...974fb6a53.jpeg Claudio Imhoff Setting Swiss Hour record on aerocoach pursuit bar. Guess the whole pursuit squad is on these now. Also received mine. |
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c78466273.jpeg
Argon 18 Electron Pro (not the Australia Version, no mention of it in the catalogue) now with a sprint specific layup. geometry is the same as pursuit. |
I'm pretty sure it's the same bike as the pursuit, it just doesn't come with the pursuit bars.
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Originally Posted by topflightpro
(Post 21709072)
I'm pretty sure it's the same bike as the pursuit, it just doesn't come with the pursuit bars.
I’ve met the product manager and he told me about the carbon lay up and the stiffness requirements for the AIS bike. I guess they took the knowledge from this to update the bike they supply to the Canadian team, as the AIS bike remains exclusive to the Aussies. (till after Tokyo?) |
They tweaked the marketing language, but the frames are the same. The sprint version just does not include the pursuit bars, and it's the same frame the Canadians and Danes are riding. Also, Argon isn't producing any more track frames until after the Olympics. It's unclear whether that version of the Electron Pro will still be available after this year. Last I heard, there were only a couple frames left for purchase - and none in the "sprint" version.
And if you think about it, there is no benefit or rationale to building two different versions of the same frame with different layups. The Electron Pro is a very low seller. If they produce and sell 1000 frames a year, I'd be surprised. So, I cannot see them justifying two different carbon layups for so few frames. Also, I have the frame. |
Originally Posted by topflightpro
(Post 21711070)
They tweaked the marketing language, but the frames are the same. The sprint version just does not include the pursuit bars, and it's the same frame the Canadians and Danes are riding. Also, Argon isn't producing any more track frames until after the Olympics. It's unclear whether that version of the Electron Pro will still be available after this year. Last I heard, there were only a couple frames left for purchase - and none in the "sprint" version.
And if you think about it, there is no benefit or rationale to building two different versions of the same frame with different layups. The Electron Pro is a very low seller. If they produce and sell 1000 frames a year, I'd be surprised. So, I cannot see them justifying two different carbon layups for so few frames. Also, I have the frame. But look also did two layups in the past... talking about rationales, having a Track Frame in the collection never makes much sense sales wise. I guess a lot of track frames won’t get produced this year anymore. Companies are using all their production slots for road and gravel, sales are crazy this year. with you owning the frame, do you think it is in need of a different lay up? |
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