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BigChief 09-10-16 07:26 AM

I think you got a good deal, this is an especially nice one.

markk900 09-10-16 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19043932)
Ah, I see. Since those chain pins are peened, you could buy a new AW indicator, grind the peened end of the link pin holding the chain onto the indicator enough to drift it through without damaging the link. Then you would have the chain off the existing pin and a length of new chain to work with. The challenge then would be trying to salvage or make a new rivet to attach the new chain to the old pin.

I think if you take out the last rivet (closest to the pin, so to speak), you could get away with practically anything because that link isn't one that swivels much. So replacing the whole chain is viable, and would eliminate the worry about them being different sizes.

ollo_ollo 09-10-16 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 19045810)
That price sounds reasonable considering the leather saddle and saddle bag. You just need a frame pump to complete.

Yeah, that was the only real negative. Ad copy: "From Estate...All original... Vintage mens Raleigh Superbe bike, size looks to be a large. Fantastic metallic green color, leather Brooks saddle, 3-speed rear hub with shifter on handlebars, headlight, frame pump, and rear rack...."

But when I asked about the pump, the antique store seller apologized & said they copied another ad's description.

It wasn't a big deal, since the bike looked better in person than the pics, plus the description saying "size looks to be a large" meant I was expecting it would be for my 6'1" son. He will be disappointed, as bike is a 21" C to T & fits my aged body well. All my bikes are 51cm to 54cm C to C, so I'm very pleased with this one.

The saddle is good and will clean up nicely. I prefer the B72 over a B17 for upright riding and have a nice one currently on loan to a grand daughter, but I will try this B66 to see how it rides. Don

markk900 09-10-16 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by ollo_ollo (Post 19045228)
After I recovered from the sticker shock, I ran across a Superbe from an estate sale. Years of dust, but most everything was still there. The asking price of $300 still seemed a lot, but more reasonable than anything nice in our area. I watched & waited until last Saturday there was a 20% cut so I bit.

Around here they are going for a lot more, though occasionally a deal can be found. Nice score and I think worth the money and the drive.

adventurepdx 09-10-16 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by ollo_ollo (Post 19045228)
After I recovered from the sticker shock, I ran across a Superbe from an estate sale. Years of dust, but most everything was still there. The asking price of $300 still seemed a lot, but more reasonable than anything nice in our area. I watched & waited until last Saturday there was a 20% cut so I bit. Today I had time to drive up to Puyallup, WA and get the bike. Here's a few pics from the listing. I'll take more tomorrow.
Don

Nice score! :thumb:
As others have said, you got a good deal on a great bike. $240 (if that's what you actually did pay) is a bargain on a Superbe in good shape, PLUS all the extras. Even if the pump wasn't included! (I've used a new Zefal for those pegs, but honestly, I prefer a modern pump.)

While you can find some decent three speeds on Portland Craigslist, anytime a Superbe comes up the price tends to be WAY inflated. Many people interpret "better than a Sports" as "much much MUCH better than a Sports". And really, what makes the Superbe so superb are the extras. It's not as if the frame and hub was magically better. :rolleyes: For instance, there's a Superbe that pops up every once in awhile over the past couple years. Nice shape, but the owner wants $600, and it lacks the extras. I feel like I'll keep seeing that for awhile...

ollo_ollo 09-10-16 04:20 PM

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Store was playing the "9" game, so I paid $239.99 plus my time & gas. Car I drove gets 25 mpg + burns premium, so $46 for gas. I'm happy.
attached are pics this morning before and after a wash. Problems: missing cable clamp bolt for front brake(easy fix), bottom of rear fender was flattened & missing paint & rusted(fixable, but a bit of work). Decals cleaned up nicely!

Tires are cracked but held when I aired them up. Bike's been ridden enough to have replacement Taiwan rear tire. The front gumwall is labeled Raleigh, probably original. Shifter cable looks good, but way too long to work, has about 2" of slack & measures 53" long, maybe would fit a bigger frame & was a wrong sized replacement. I put a few squirts of 30wt non-detergent oil in the hub & rode the bike around on my driveway. By pulling the slack shifter cable by hand I could get a lower gear, either 2nd or 1st. I plan to do a complete tear down once the rainy season starts. Until then, I hope to build an 8' X 12' shed so I can move all my small power equipment out of the garage and workshop.

After cleaning up the Raleigh, I aired up the tires on my Grand Jubile for a ride later today. Don

ollo_ollo 09-10-16 04:22 PM

Forgot to add: after cleaning & adjusting headlight contacts, I confirmed DynoHub is working. Don

BigChief 09-10-16 09:48 PM

This bike is going to sparkle when it's cleaned up. The old fashioned enamel paint dulls over the years. I usually use a polishing compound to bring back some luster before I wax. Also, a polish will blend in touch ups. Like the white on your rear fender where you want to protect the bare steel. I use Testors enamel. What happens is after you match the color and the touch up dries, the touch ups stand out because the gloss doesn't match. When you polish the whole fender, it evens out the gloss and makes the touch ups barely noticeable.

ollo_ollo 09-10-16 10:40 PM

Thanks for the tips. I went over the saddle with glycerine saddle soap followed by a light application of a proofide substitute I use and already it looks much better. I'm looking forward to overhauling the Superbe this Winter. Don

gster 09-11-16 06:35 AM

1961 Raleigh Superbe
 
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This one literally showed up in my backyard yesterday...

My neighbour, Dan had bought it last week, removed the dynohub and decided he didn't want it. We agreed on a price, $50.00 and there you have it.
It's a tall bike, fairly complete with chromed fork tips.
It's been poorly painted and has the old style calipers that will only accept the proprietary Raleigh cable.
Anyone know of a clean solution to these cables?
The Dynohub is missing but I have a spare in the shed.
Anyone know what the original colour should be?

BigChief 09-11-16 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 19047500)
This one literally showed up in my backyard yesterday...

My neighbour, Dan had bought it last week, removed the dynohub and decided he didn't want it. We agreed on a price, $50.00 and there you have it.
It's a tall bike, fairly complete with chromed fork tips.
It's been poorly painted and has the old style calipers that will only accept the proprietary Raleigh cable.
Anyone know of a clean solution to these cables?
The Dynohub is missing but I have a spare in the shed.
Anyone know what the original colour should be?

Wow, that's great! What luck. Most every one I've seen is green. I wouldn't know how to reproduce those Raleigh colors. I have had good results painting frames black. What I lack in skill and pro equipment can be made up, well almost, with lots of wet sanding and polishing.

gster 09-11-16 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19047545)
Wow, that's great! What luck. Most every one I've seen is green. I wouldn't know how to reproduce those Raleigh colors. I have had good results painting frames black. What I lack in skill and pro equipment can be made up, well almost, with lots of wet sanding and polishing.

I'm thinking black is the way to go as well.

BigChief 09-11-16 01:01 PM

You can use these to make your own brake cables. A more elegant solution is to silver braze an original ball end on a new cable.
4 Minibike Hex Universal Throttle Brake Cable Clamp Wire Stop Garden Tractor | eBay

gster 09-11-16 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19048152)
You can use these to make your own brake cables. A more elegant solution is to silver braze an original ball end on a new cable.
4 Minibike Hex Universal Throttle Brake Cable Clamp Wire Stop Garden Tractor | eBay

Excellent suggestion!
Further research leads me to believe this to be an English built Superbe for the Canadian market (white head tube detail). Original decals revealed during a light sanding.

BigChief 09-11-16 04:09 PM

Check out this Superbe on the 1962 catalog. http://www.kurtkaminer.com/1962raleighcat_us_03_lg.jpg
Chrome fork ends, white steering tube and it looks, hard to tell from this picture, like the Superbe logo might be on the seat tube with the serif font Raleigh on the down tube. You should be sanding down to green paint though. From what I understand, all Superbes were bronze green.

gster 09-11-16 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19048487)
Check out this Superbe on the 1962 catalog. http://www.kurtkaminer.com/1962raleighcat_us_03_lg.jpg
Chrome fork ends, white steering tube and it looks, hard to tell from this picture, like the Superbe logo might be on the seat tube with the serif font Raleigh on the down tube. You should be sanding down to green paint though. From what I understand, all Superbes were bronze green.

Good detective work.
Chrome forks, yes
White steering tube, yes.
No green underneath.
Here's the inside of the fork with the original colour.

BigChief 09-11-16 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 19048552)
Good detective work.
Chrome forks, yes
White steering tube, yes.
No green underneath.
Here's the inside of the fork with the original colour.

Well, I'm still learning new things. Never noticed before that every single Superbe I ever saw was green. Apparently, green is the traditional color for this model, so finding a blue Superbe is like finding a blue DL-1.

ollo_ollo 09-11-16 07:54 PM

"Built in Dynohub generator lighting--ideal for emergency lighting in your fallout shelter" :eek:

"Conservatively finished in Raleigh Green befitting the Rolls Royce of bikes" Apparently, the Canadian market got a choice.

SirMike1983 09-11-16 08:52 PM

The Bronze Green/"Superbe" connection was strongest on US market Superbes from the 1960s-70s. These are the ones we usually see in the US today, but they represent only one variety.

Many in Britain, and many of the earlier Superbes were Raleigh green rather than bronze green.

http://www.oldbike.eu/museum/wp-cont...Superbe-05.jpg

Canadian market got some different colors, including blue or red with white.

Also remember that the term "Superbe" could mean several models. We're really talking about the Superbe Sports model, which is the Raleigh Sports type bike with upgrades. There were other models like Superbe Dawn that represented upgrades on other bike base models. Superbe was Raleigh's way of showing an upgrade to a particular base.

In Nigeria, Suprebe could refer to a DL-1 type bike plated chrome.

http://www.oldbike.eu/museum/wp-cont...Raleigh_05.jpg

Pictures from the oldbike.eu museum.

clubman 09-11-16 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 19048552)
Good detective work.
Chrome forks, yes
White steering tube, yes.
No green underneath.
Here's the inside of the fork with the original colour.

Dark Blue, Carmine Red and Gunmetal gray are the three colours I've had or seen in this Canadian model. Never Green with the chrome forks.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/f3...646-h929-rw-nohttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/lb...646-h930-rw-nohttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/UA...a=w377-h683-no

PalmettoUpstate 09-11-16 09:04 PM


Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate (Post 18929429)
Yes I have seen a few good Youtubes of the bike culture in Amsterdam and Copenhagen and elsewhere in NW Europe and I have often noted the slack ride angles, the drum brakes, and the IGH's.

For un-hassled navigation of the grit and grime of city streets and gravel paths I am sure the drum brakes are unsurpassed.

Thinking of starting an IGH centric bike store here: reasons: https://books.google.com/books?id=R8...papers&f=false

BigChief 09-12-16 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 19049075)
Dark Blue, Carmine Red and Gunmetal gray are the three colours I've had or seen in this Canadian model. Never Green with the chrome forks.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/f3...646-h929-rw-nohttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/lb...646-h930-rw-no

Mystery solved then. Personally, I'd go with black paint and keep the white steering tube. The black and white and maybe white wall tires would look sharp. The down tube graphic is available in vinyl and they look great. It would be nice to reproduce the seat tube graphic. That could be done in 2 layer vinyl. Might be worth while to measure it in case you ever decide to have it made. It wouldn't be too expensive especially if you used a standard font that was similar even if not exact to the original.

bazil4696 09-13-16 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by ollo_ollo (Post 19046701)
Tires are cracked but held when I aired them up. Bike's been ridden enough to have replacement Taiwan rear tire. The front gumwall is labeled Raleigh, probably original. Shifter cable looks good, but way too long to work, has about 2" of slack & measures 53" long, maybe would fit a bigger frame & was a wrong sized replacement. I put a few squirts of 30wt non-detergent oil in the hub & rode the bike around on my driveway. By pulling the slack shifter cable by hand I could get a lower gear, either 2nd or 1st. I plan to do a complete tear down once the rainy season starts. Until then, I hope to build an 8' X 12' shed so I can move all my small power equipment out of the garage and workshop.

Don

I love these Superbes, and have done up a few of them. Yours has the "self adjusting" brakes that never seemed to be the solution, or all bikes would have this feature. They only built them for two years, I believe.
My favourite things to do to these is to mount Schwalbe whitewalls and switch the rear sprocket to a 21 tooth.
Both should be readily obtainable from your LBS. Dried bearings in the headstock, BB and both wheel hubs will keep you busy when the rainy nites have you eyeing that girl..The paint will POP when given some loving tenderness..
Nice score!

bazil4696 09-13-16 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 19048552)
Good detective work.
Chrome forks, yes
White steering tube, yes.
No green underneath.
Here's the inside of the fork with the original colour.

Nice snag, Gster!
I've never seen a blue Superbe before, or any other colour, other than fifteen different shades of green, depending on their previously enjoyed lifestyle.
I have a spare dynohub or three if needed, or yours has more rust than mine.
Text me if interested.

gster 09-13-16 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 19049075)
Dark Blue, Carmine Red and Gunmetal gray are the three colours I've had or seen in this Canadian model. Never Green with the chrome forks.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/f3...646-h929-rw-nohttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/lb...646-h930-rw-nohttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/UA...a=w377-h683-no

These are the graphics I found under the repaint.

clubman 09-13-16 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 19053388)
These are the graphics I found under the repaint.

So you're right about the date, circa 61 or 62. At this time the serial number for the Canadian models usually started with RC, US was RA and British were RB. Generally...

gster 09-13-16 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by bazil4696 (Post 19053068)
Nice snag, Gster!
I've never seen a blue Superbe before, or any other colour, other than fifteen different shades of green, depending on their previously enjoyed lifestyle.
I have a spare dynohub or three if needed, or yours has more rust than mine.
Text me if interested.

Thanks!
g

gster 09-13-16 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by clubman (Post 19053398)
So you're right about the date, circa 61 or 62. At this time the serial number for the Canadian models usually started with RC, US was RA and British were RB. Generally...

Here's the RC serial number with the third digit "1" as 1961. More good detective work!

BigChief 09-13-16 10:08 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 19053703)
Here's the RC serial number with the third digit "1" as 1961. More good detective work!

3 of the vinyl transfers you would need are available. The chainguard all steel, the down tube Raleigh and the top tube made In England. So, what have you decided? Are you going to copy the original blue?

Stadjer 09-14-16 01:01 AM


Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate (Post 19049087)
Thinking of starting an IGH centric bike store here: reasons: https://books.google.com/books?id=R8...papers&f=false

Where is here?


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