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poetman 06-06-22 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 22530139)
The classic
Saturday Night and Sunday Morning with Albert Finney
He actually works in the Raleigh factory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrBY6gQqbvo

There's a four-part series on Stilltoe's relationship with Raleigh





browngw 06-09-22 02:42 PM

Canadian Vintage Bicycle Show
 
Time is quickly approaching for the re-located CVBS. Excited to bring some stuff to sell and hopefully find some great project material. Burford is just a few miles west of Brantford and not far off HWY 403.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...26fb5791c7.jpg

thumpism 06-11-22 07:20 AM

Puch Rugby Sport for $100 in CT. Looks like the remains of my initials on the TWT shop sticker, so I would have assembled this bike.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...20761638657723

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5b83e04f65.jpg


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b0b0df441d.jpg

SirMike1983 06-12-22 06:26 PM

I'm enjoying the extra daylight we get this time of year. I'm able to take longer rides after work in the evenings.

https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...609_181307.jpg

https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...31971123_n.jpg

clubman 06-14-22 06:32 PM

The colour reminds me of a Trent Sports, perhaps made in Ireland. Most all the Irish serial number records were lost in the '76 factory fire.

Maybe call it a '62 Raleigh Sports and you're good to go!

nlerner 06-14-22 07:02 PM

Yeah, that oiler port on the BB is consistent with late 50s/early 60s.

SirMike1983 06-15-22 07:27 AM

This has been a good week for riding so far - no rain, warm weather, and somewhat less pollen (still quite a bit). This spring was tough in terms of cold, rainy weather but we are improving it seems. This Schwinn New World turns 75 years old this year.

https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...614_180939.jpg

https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...614_181001.jpg

Salubrious 06-15-22 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by brianhamp (Post 22541797)
Picked up a Raleigh Sport 3 speed the other day. The date is unknown.. The rear Sturmey Archer hub is dated 61-8. The front Sturmey Archer Dyno hub is dated 12-58. The serial number is in a format I have not seen before. 7805NFD.21 inch frame.
If someone could please help me with dating the bike I would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Brian

Side view

Down tube


Chain wheel with eye

Serial number


Shifter

The parts with the bike suggest 1950s: the pedals, the eyed heron, the headlamp, the graphics, the steel pulley, the shifter are all 1950s so I think the front hub (also 1950s) is telling the real story.

gna 06-15-22 01:07 PM

A coworker found this bike at a garage sale. I went through and cleaned it up, which was more work than one would expect:
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bacf633749.jpg

It appears to be a Malaysian-built sports from 1980, based on the serial. There were several slight differences from a Nottingham Raleigh.

First problem was the drive crank was bent. I had a similar one in my parts, so no big deal, but discovered the crank spindle was bent while repacking the bottom bracket, One I had was shorter, but still fit. The wheels are rusted out, so found a suitable replacement set from the early '70s. The original wheelset has locknuts on both sides, but is standard Raleigh threading, as well as axle retention clips:
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8902314581.jpg
original wheel and hub
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c9ce28de39.jpg
New wheel with retention clips
The fenders are Wald chrome fenders and it was missing the chainguard, but I polished them up a bit and found a Wald chrome chainguard in my parts. Grips were shot, so replaced.

The guy who wants it is tall, so I pulled the seatpost and stem out all the way to the line. If it's too small for him we'll find it a home.

gster 06-15-22 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by brianhamp (Post 22541797)
Picked up a Raleigh Sport 3 speed the other day. The date is unknown.. The rear Sturmey Archer hub is dated 61-8. The front Sturmey Archer Dyno hub is dated 12-58. The serial number is in a format I have not seen before. 7805NFD.21 inch frame.
If someone could please help me with dating the bike I would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Brian
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...680c3f584c.jpg
Side view
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...35ce8b0ced.jpg
Down tube
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4d4ad07214.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...289f7a0607.jpg
Chain wheel with eye
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4cb6bbb50a.jpg
Serial number
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e0f5facde1.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...90e6c4acdf.jpg
Shifter

Bit of a mystery.....
heron eye- pre 61/62
old style calipers
oil port
date on hub
Sheldon Brown says FD is 65/66
N should be Nottingham

SirMike1983 06-15-22 08:18 PM

A couple things: it's missing the "Genuine English Lightweight" graphic on the seat tube that would characterize a typical 1958-60 bike, but neither does it have the early 1960s "Sports" in big red letters on the seat tube, or the gold rings on the seat tube. Other graphics are consistent with the late 1950s. That said, it looks like it does not have the late 1950s pulley boss on the frame but instead has the early 1960s type clamp-on pulley set up. The oil ports disappear in the early 1960s on the Sports.

So it's not something that is a straight-ahead Raleigh Sports type bike, at least as one would commonly find in the US. My guess is you have a Canadian market variant of the Sports, probably from the very end of the 1950s, probably 1959, and hence it doesn't follow the "typical" US market type patterns. My understanding as well is that a red frame and white fenders was one of the preferred color combinations for Canadian market bikes.

Edit: the thing about variants from the non-US and non-UK markets is that they appear with some weird combinations of parts and features and graphics, which being I think this is a Canadian market bike, is the case here.

gster 06-16-22 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 22543154)
A couple things: it's missing the "Genuine English Lightweight" graphic on the seat tube that would characterize a typical 1958-60 bike, but neither does it have the early 1960s "Sports" in big red letters on the seat tube, or the gold rings on the seat tube. Other graphics are consistent with the late 1950s. That said, it looks like it does not have the late 1950s pulley boss on the frame but instead has the early 1960s type clamp-on pulley set up. The oil ports disappear in the early 1960s on the Sports.

So it's not something that is a straight-ahead Raleigh Sports type bike, at least as one would commonly find in the US. My guess is you have a Canadian market variant of the Sports, probably from the very end of the 1950s, probably 1959, and hence it doesn't follow the "typical" US market type patterns. My understanding as well is that a red frame and white fenders was one of the preferred color combinations for Canadian market bikes.

Edit: the thing about variants from the non-US and non-UK markets is that they appear with some weird combinations of parts and features and graphics, which being I think this is a Canadian market bike, is the case here.

All good points.
The gold paint accent on the steering tube also points to a Canadian bike.

Road Fan 06-16-22 08:15 AM

TA Chainsets?
 
Anybody have experience fitting a TA 50.4 mm chainset to a 1952 Raleigh 27 (Super Lenton), Rudge 127 (Aero Special), or Humber 327 frame? Those three were identical except for headbadge, fork crown, and "livery." Normally it has a Sturmey AW IGH in steel shell, and I may go to an alloy shell. For the chainset, so far the BB cups will be salvaged and a TA 344 spindle, which has the correct bearing race positioning, will be used. Q with the TA chainset and a pista chainring is about 135 mm. I'm not sure if I can realize that, since I haven't fully tested for frame interference and chain lines. I'll soon do a preliminary assembly, but... any comments about the chainline? For track racing or a road fixie one wants good alignment to reliably hold the chain on ... any experience with the setup I'm trying? It will have a modern Specialized chain specified as Ĺ" x ⅛". It does not have much lateral flexibility.

This hot-rodding project is a little like restoring a 1963 Corvette Stingray with a modern General Motors turbocharged EFI V6, though maybe not as sacriligious. Or a VW Westfalia Microbus (:thumb:) with a modern 2.4 liter Audi engine at 250 hp (:love:), with its turbocharger and intercooler. It's also getting alloy rims, double-butted stainless spokes. an alloy seat pillar, and a 1984 or so Ideale 92 saddle. But the paint with beausage will remain original, at least until I get to ride it.

Working on increasing the power output of the legs!

Salubrious 06-16-22 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by Road Fan (Post 22543601)
Anybody have experience fitting a TA 50.4 mm chainset to a 1952 Raleigh 27 (Super Lenton), Rudge 127 (Aero Special), or Humber 327 frame? Those three were identical except for headbadge, fork crown, and "livery." Normally it has a Sturmey AW IGH in steel shell, and I may go to an alloy shell. For the chainset, so far the BB cups will be salvaged and a TA 344 spindle, which has the correct bearing race positioning, will be used. Q with the TA chainset and a pista chainring is about 135 mm. I'm not sure if I can realize that, since I haven't fully tested for frame interference and chain lines. I'll soon do a preliminary assembly, but... any comments about the chainline? For track racing or a road fixie one wants good alignment to reliably hold the chain on ... any experience with the setup I'm trying? It will have a modern Specialized chain specified as Ĺ" x ⅛". It does not have much lateral flexibility.

I doubt the chainline will be much of a problem since the SA hub allows you to adjust that. My concern would be if the BB has Raleigh threads, which might have something to say about the axle diameter of the BB.

thumpism 06-16-22 04:54 PM

Nice Sports for $135 in PA.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...65199458544786

https://scontent.fric1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...yg&oe=62B16836

gster 06-17-22 02:57 PM

Slightly O.T.
Several rears ago I went to buy a Hercules (AMF) from a guy for $75.00
He also had one of these for sale for $8000 which I thought was a lot....
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...90d906cc97.jpg
1966/67 Honda 450 the Black Bomber
This bike was listed today for $20,000.00!!
I've always wanted one but not a this price.....

Ballenxj 06-17-22 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 22545333)
Slightly O.T.
Several rears ago I went to buy a Hercules (AMF) from a guy for $75.00
He also had one of these for sale for $8000 which I thought was a lot....
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...90d906cc97.jpg
1966/67 Honda 450 the Black Bomber
This bike was listed today for $20,000.00!!
I've always wanted one but not a this price.....

This price guarantees the seller will be the last owner. :lol:

clubman 06-17-22 07:56 PM

A Robert Pirsig fan with too much money will buy that.

gster 06-17-22 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 22545541)
A Robert Pirsig fan with too much money will buy that.

I think his bike was a Honda 305...
I'd like to re read that book.
I had one....

clubman 06-18-22 04:25 AM

[MENTION=301310]gster[/MENTION], Ah, you're right. But still in the same wheelhouse.

And you're right again, the discussion of Quality never gets tired in C&V.

Road Fan 06-18-22 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 22543744)
I doubt the chainline will be much of a problem since the SA hub allows you to adjust that. My concern would be if the BB has Raleigh threads, which might have something to say about the axle diameter of the BB.

The Raleigh threads are not a concern, because Iím installing with the same cup/cone design. The old cups can be reused because the bearing races are in good condition the TA spindle has a bearing width that matches that of the original races. I understand the SA hub has some adjustability, but it comes down to a match between the hub, the BB and the chainset.

Even if I canít make it work with this plan, I can always have one of my LBS rethread the BB to fit a modern BB. Prefer not to modify the frame, but itís not end of the world.

Road Fan 06-18-22 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 22545701)
[MENTION=301310]gster[/MENTION], Ah, you're right. But still in the same wheelhouse.

And you're right, the discussion of Quality never gets tired in C&V.

Iíve always wanted a Norton, after reading that book!

As far as Quality, these days Iím a Safety consultant, so Ö maybe a few nuggets of insight dropped off the tree!

Road Fan 06-18-22 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 22545569)
I think his bike was a Honda 305...
I'd like to re read that book.
I had one....

I always thought it was a 350 Ö

gster 06-18-22 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by Road Fan (Post 22545876)
I always thought it was a 350 Ö

1966 Honda 305 Super Hawk
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smith...ian-180973836/

Ballenxj 06-18-22 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 22545877)

Ah, the old 305 Super Hawk. I remember lusting after those when I was a kid.
Somebody made a fairly optimistic claim that it had a top speed of 104?
I dunno, I suppose maybe?
Honda 305 Super Hawk wiki

markk900 06-18-22 12:02 PM

Count me as another die hard Pirsig fan - I even read Lila.....

Salubrious 06-18-22 02:38 PM

The Honda Black Bomber had a fragile valve problem. Generally if they are still running after 2000 miles they have a chance to keep going. For a while. Seems to me there's a fix for it IIRC that was handed down in the last 30 years or so. The 305 Super Hawk was indeed capable of 105 mph if you laid down on the tank- the engine could rev nearly 10,000 rpm and didn't have the reliability issue of its bigger brother.

gster 06-19-22 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 22546154)
The Honda Black Bomber had a fragile valve problem. Generally if they are still running after 2000 miles they have a chance to keep going. For a while. Seems to me there's a fix for it IIRC that was handed down in the last 30 years or so. The 305 Super Hawk was indeed capable of 105 mph if you laid down on the tank- the engine could rev nearly 10,000 rpm and didn't have the reliability issue of its bigger brother.

I think that's even in the owners manual...
an illustration of a guy lying flat on the tank (superman style)

thumpism 06-20-22 07:06 AM

"Old beach cruiser." No price listed beyond the $1 in the title so get out to Long Island and grab it.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...28675371684548

https://scontent.fric1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...BQ&oe=62B5ED5C

pfaustus 06-20-22 10:14 AM

I've known intellectually that flat repair on rod brake bikes was more difficult. The value stem came off when pumping up the rear tire on the newish (to me) Roadster. I now know on a very real level that it is actually a total freaking PITA. It doesn't help a bit when the threads on one of the brake pads strips and will need to be cut off when I find a replacement. .So, where is the best place to get a pair of side post brake pads? My amazon searches have been fruitless.


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