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auchencrow 09-24-12 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by Andrew T (Post 14767152)
Excellent...

Do you have a shot of the fork that you are talking about? I've just ordered some vintage bars/stem off ebay that will replace the ones it came with on there (stem was cracked in two, bars were ape hangers...ugh...) and I'll keep it with it's rat rod style. Hopefully it's not too tiny for me to ride...I love the old patina but wonder if it was painted black at one point- seeing your head tube emblem with different colors...


I read somewhere that using dish soap + water, then car wax on top is the best way to go for cleaning up the frame...What kind of car wax, carnauba? I may be pestering you guys soon about how to fix this rear hub, it has no chain dangling out of it...hopefully sheldon can bring me through it.

Thanks again


Andrew - I don't have a clear shot of just the fork crown cap, but there's a bit of it here.

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...ng1951017a.jpg


Insofar as reckoning what parts you need to complete your Sturmey Archer AW hub, this graphic has been tremendously useful for many.

http://members.westnet.com.au/derren...erAW3speed.gif


For car wax, I really like Meguiar's Tech Wax.

SirMike1983 09-24-12 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by BRAZUCA (Post 14767990)
I believe this is the 3-in-one oil you are talking about.

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3a8a84a8.jpg

That's it- I've never seen that graphic on the bottle before, but that's the stuff. I've seen this graphic more commonly:

http://www.hardwareworld.com/files/pi/bV/D/7OAI.jpg

Same thing though- SAE 20.

noglider 09-24-12 06:26 PM

Andrew T, yes, I believe these bikes normally have very short top tubes. Also, the handlebars sweep back. Maybe the top tubes aren't terribly short, but the stem and handlebars make them effectively very short.

From advice I got here on bikeforums, I generally use automatic transmission fluid (ATF) for most of my bike needs. I mentioned this to my car mechanic, and he said that ATF is designed to "hold particles in suspension" which I think should make it suitable for chains and gear hubs. Get the grit out off the surfaces that mate, right?

Sixty Fiver 09-24-12 09:05 PM


Originally Posted by Chris_in_Miami (Post 14768085)
If you're serious about your tire snobbery, you might be better off replacing the wheels with the proper ISO 590 size, that would give you much better tire options.

The 26 by 1 / 597 could be the proper size for the bike.

rhm 09-25-12 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 14770237)
Andrew T, yes, I believe these bikes normally have very short top tubes. Also, the handlebars sweep back. Maybe the top tubes aren't terribly short, but the stem and handlebars make them effectively very short.

Right, more the latter than the former. It's really a question of frame geometry. These old English bikes have a very slack seat tube angle, like 68[SUP]o[/SUP], even if the head tube is steeper. The slack seat tube makes the top tube relatively long, like as much as an inch longer than what you'd expect on a modern bike.

A lot of these bikes, until the late 30's anyway, had a gallows-type seat post, which puts the seat an inch or two in front of the post. When they have a conventional post with clamp at the top, the clamp is mounted to the front of the post, which puts the seat about two inches farther forward than you'd expect.

And then there's the stem. Most of these bikes have a shorter stem than you'd find on a more modern bike.

So when you get on the bike, the combination of a slightly longer top tube, unconventional seat mounting, and short stem, results in what feels like a cramped cockpit. If you want to change this, start with a longer stem and before you play around with where you want the seat. You don't want the seat to be too far back from the pedals.

yellowbarber 09-25-12 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by yellowbarber (Post 14767893)
I... It came in with S6 Kendas, and I admit to the fiscal foolishness of being a tire snob
...

duh, I meant S5, 26 x 1

Chris_in_Miami 09-25-12 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 14770789)
The 26 by 1 / 597 could be the proper size for the bike.

Ah, you're correct. I confused yellowbarber's bike with Andrew T's, which seems to have Schwinn wheels.

Andrew T 09-25-12 08:42 PM

Haven't seen many raleigh colt's talked about in here, this is too rich for my blood but maybe someone in socal???

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst...294465726.html

gmt13 09-26-12 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by Andrew T (Post 14774918)
Haven't seen many raleigh colt's talked about in here, this is too rich for my blood but maybe someone in socal???

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst...294465726.html


"Good for another thousand miles of intense riding?"
I'm not going to shell out $400 for something that may not last till the end of the year.

yellowbarber 09-26-12 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by Andrew T (Post 14774918)
Haven't seen many raleigh colt's talked about in here, this is too rich for my blood but maybe someone in socal???

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst...294465726.html

<< This bicycle is only available until the night of September 28th, so act quickly!>>
I wonder what happens after Sept 28? The bike turns back into a pumpkin?

rhm 09-26-12 11:55 AM

Translation:

My annoying housemate is out of town until Sept 28.

gna 09-26-12 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by Andrew T (Post 14774918)
Haven't seen many raleigh colt's talked about in here, this is too rich for my blood but maybe someone in socal???

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst...294465726.html

Seems expensive to me, but I don't know the market there. Can't see the reaction arm, but I'm assuming coaster brake. I'd pass or replace if it was a TCW.

I was offered a Colt for $50 but passed on it, as I didn't have room for it. I wish I would have got it; I'd give it to my nephew.

Turbo231 09-26-12 06:27 PM

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This one has crossed my path, probably won't keep it long as she's really big for a ladies bike. 21" frame 26" wheel Raleigh Sports, hub dates to 1984 as its a SA AW hub, assembled in Canada. Appears to be a barn find as it has some very spotty rust of just sitting inside. I never see bikes this clean usually, someone loved it. Raleigh of England, but made in Canada. Wheels were made in the US. If it were a men's I'd really think of keeping it.

http://www.butchthecat.com/butch/r1.jpg
The paint is what got my attention...Dark Metallic Blue? Nice.
http://www.butchthecat.com/butch/r2.jpg

rudypyatt 09-27-12 05:04 PM

Mods, feel free to move this one. I have other things that have call on my $ at the moment, :(but it this looks like it should go to a good home:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1963-Raleigh...80741413764%26

Mind you, I could probably ride there from Brooklyn :cry:

wahoonc 09-27-12 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by Andrew T (Post 14774918)
Haven't seen many raleigh colt's talked about in here, this is too rich for my blood but maybe someone in socal???

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst...294465726.html

Way over market value. $100-$125 would be closer to the mark.

I got Colt's three of them, but they are all step through frames for my petite bride. For some reason I only have pictures of two of them.

Aaron :)

http://inlinethumb10.webshots.com/48...500x500Q85.jpg
http://inlinethumb02.webshots.com/41...500x500Q85.jpg

PalmettoUpstate 09-28-12 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by Turbo231 (Post 14778295)
This one has crossed my path, probably won't keep it long as she's really big for a ladies bike. 21" frame 26" wheel Raleigh Sports, hub dates to 1984 as its a SA AW hub, assembled in Canada. Appears to be a barn find as it has some very spotty rust of just sitting inside. I never see bikes this clean usually, someone loved it. Raleigh of England, but made in Canada. Wheels were made in the US. If it were a men's I'd really think of keeping it.


The paint is what got my attention...Dark Metallic Blue? Nice.

Nice color indeed. I'm working on a Ladies 21" Silver Nottingham-built Sports right now. My wife, at a shade under 5'2", took one look at it and said it was too big and that she wouldn't ride it. Found her a 19" Metallic Blue Sports that was in great shape, pirated the B-72 on it for an LTD-3 of my own and got her a Honey B-66. She's a happy camper and I am hoping the old Silver girl will be something one of my 5'4" daughters will lust after....

PalmettoUpstate 09-28-12 03:57 PM

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Note the difference in the top bars on the two 21" Ladies Sports; Silver one below is Nottingham-built.

I like the Blue head tubes on these years and maybe one of our resident experts can allow which years the Sports [and other model Raleighs] came with them.

Also be kinda nice to know what the common parlance is for the type of chainguard on this Silver bike....

PalmettoUpstate 09-28-12 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by Andrew T (Post 14774918)
Haven't seen many raleigh colt's talked about in here, this is too rich for my blood but maybe someone in socal???

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst...294465726.html

Nice little bike but he's WAYYYY overpriced IMO. There was a nice RED Colt in Corvallis a couple of days ago with an asking price of $100.

Yeah, here it is: http://corvallis.craigslist.org/bik/3269735615.html

From the LA ad for the Colt:
"and is a very fast bike! I can get it to 35mph in third gear."

Could be so I guess. I have a 23" Sports with 46/17 gearing and it might hit 35 on the flat if I really wanted to grunt. We've been having a Nirvana September down here and I did take that bike out for a blast ride last evening and may do the same shortly. Have no speedo or computer on it to check the speed yet but with the 17 cog it does get right down the road in 3rd...

clubman 09-28-12 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by Turbo231 (Post 14778295)
This one has crossed my path, probably won't keep it long as she's really big for a ladies bike. 21" frame 26" wheel Raleigh Sports, hub dates to 1984 as its a SA AW hub, assembled in Canada. Appears to be a barn find as it has some very spotty rust of just sitting inside. I never see bikes this clean usually, someone loved it. Raleigh of England, but made in Canada. Wheels were made in the US. If it were a men's I'd really think of keeping it.

http://www.butchthecat.com/butch/r1.jpg

I rode that same bike around Montreal for 3 weeks during the Quebec Referendum in '95. Notice the alloy crankset and stem (SR I think). The chrome plating was terrible but the geometry was still the same. The last generation of the breed in North America.

yellowbarber 09-29-12 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by rudypyatt (Post 14781838)
Mods, feel free to move this one. I have other things that have call on my $ at the moment,

:(but it this looks like it should go to a good home:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1963-Raleigh...80741413764%26

Mind you, I could probably ride there from Brooklyn :cry:

I go on picks and ride with the owner of this Lenton, and yes, it does need to go to a good home.
Would have been mine, but it's too short.
And yes, you could ride from Brooklyn - for the ride at the very least. I love the trip up the west side & over the Geo. Washington Bridge (12 miles door to door from my place near 14th & 8av)

rhm 09-29-12 06:55 PM

$600 is crazy talk for a Lenton Convertible. It's a garden variety Raleigh Sports frame with chrome fenders (missing from this one), drop bars, and a Cyclo Benelux two speed derailleur setup. Oh, and it has 26 x 1 1/4 wheels. Parted out, it would net you maybe $200. Intact, well, I dunno. But this one is not intact. Were it mine, I could not ask for more than $250 with a clear conscience, and I have to say my conscience is not nearly as well developed as my legs.

Velognome 09-29-12 07:50 PM

Sure anywhere else you cold sell it for $200, but this in Brooklyn...shesh :rolleyes:

yellowbarber 09-29-12 10:55 PM

I know, I'm with you guys. But I know the guy and I see the bike & I just keep my mouth shut about it.

I have a circa 1900 French violin that I play & have offered it for sale for $3,500. But I wouldn't be surprised if after having a proper providence/condition assessment made it turned out to be worth about what I originally paid(stupid cheap IMHO) for it.

speaking of ridiculous asking prices, check this insanity out:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/OLD-VINTAGE-...item23224df554

http://www.ebay.com/itm/STURMEY-ARCH...item257532e4ff

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-COLU...item257553b724

I think the guy has been watching too much 'Storage Wars' & 'Pawn Stars'

rudypyatt 09-29-12 11:09 PM


Originally Posted by yellowbarber (Post 14787169)
I go on picks and ride with the owner of this Lenton, and yes, it does need to go to a good home.
Would have been mine, but it's too short.
And yes, you could ride from Brooklyn - for the ride at the very least. I love the trip up the west side & over the Geo. Washington Bridge (12 miles door to door from my place near 14th & 8av)

I came close to crossing the GWB tonight, actually, from Brooklyn Heights and up the Westside Greenway. Got to 181st Street and decided to come home. Some of those hills in Upper Manhattan are interesting on a single speed, hence my need for another old school 3-speed (Schwinn Speedster was murdered by a Mack truck, I wasn't home at the time).

'gnome, you have a point. But you can hardly look around without seeing an old Sports, Rudge, Schwinn, etc., etc., AW locked up around here! Brooklyn knows that "three is enough."

SirMike1983 09-30-12 11:04 AM

It's all over the place on ebay. Check out BBCBikes offerings on there and you'll see what I mean.


Originally Posted by yellowbarber (Post 14789241)
I know, I'm with you guys. But I know the guy and I see the bike & I just keep my mouth shut about it.

I have a circa 1900 French violin that I play & have offered it for sale for $3,500. But I wouldn't be surprised if after having a proper providence/condition assessment made it turned out to be worth about what I originally paid(stupid cheap IMHO) for it.

speaking of ridiculous asking prices, check this insanity out:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/OLD-VINTAGE-...item23224df554

http://www.ebay.com/itm/STURMEY-ARCH...item257532e4ff

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-COLU...item257553b724

I think the guy has been watching too much 'Storage Wars' & 'Pawn Stars'



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