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ttemplin 03-11-24 05:09 PM

1971 Holdsworth
 
I’m helping my neighbor clean up her old Holdsworth 10-speed. She had the frame powder coated the original color which is turquoise but all the logos are gone except the headbadge. Serial number appears to be 35023. I believe it’s from 1971. Would anyone here be able to help identify what model of Holdsworth it is so we can get the correct logos back on?

cb400bill 03-11-24 05:33 PM

Welcome to Bike Forums ttemplin.

Pic Assist - Picture by ttemplin | 33002159 | (bikeforums.net)

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0b2bddc73.jpeg

juvela 03-11-24 05:33 PM

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hello ttemplin and welcome to the forum! :)

able to recall turquoise as an accent colour on some models which were done up in team orange

in case you have not found it already there is a wonderful resource here -

https://nkilgariff.com


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ehcoplex 03-11-24 06:09 PM

No eyelets on the dropouts, looks like wrap-around treatment of the tops of the seat-stays, Campy components (assuming they're original)... My guess is a Professional. When sold as complete bikes they were usually orange with 'kingfisher blue' panels with Holdsworth on the top and down tubes, but if ordered as a frameset could be had in other colors. That's an interesting color- I've got a '79 Holdsworth Pro that had been repainted at some point before I bought it a couple years ago. The repaint-job was in bad shape, so I stripped it. It appeared to have been stripped before, for the repaint, but there were a couple small spots that had a very similar turquoise color and I've wondered if that could've been one of the colors Holdsworth offered on frame sets.

mpetry912 03-11-24 06:43 PM

needs one extra chain link please

/markp

Wildwood 03-11-24 07:05 PM

I have a 1972 built Holdsworth. Wrap around stays at the seat lug, and the only 2 braze-ons are on the driveside chainstay. Did the owner powder coat over chrome?

Catalog for 1971 indicates the Pro had 73° angles both head and seat tubes. Pictures can be deceiving but the one above does not appear to be parallel tube angles.
Pro71.jpg (727×966) (nkilgariff.com)

sced 03-11-24 07:35 PM

A lot of Holdsworths here for comparison https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...orth-here.html

roadcrankr 03-11-24 08:33 PM

For starters, I would've recommended applying some rust remover on various components during the powder coating process.
Maybe she likes the patina. lol For Pete's Sake, at least some new bar tape.

ttemplin 03-11-24 09:12 PM

Thanks for the warm welcome cb400bill and the pic assist. I really appreciate it.

unworthy1 03-11-24 09:41 PM

another with wrap-over stays and the full-sloping fork crown with Campy ends was the Super Mistral, but those usually had Prugnat headlugs. So it could be some kind of Pro that didn't get the usual Team livery paint

ttemplin 03-11-24 09:53 PM

juvela, thanks for the welcome and info. I have learned a lot from nkilgarif.com. Cheers!

ttemplin 03-11-24 10:01 PM

ehcoplex, Gotcha. Could be a Professional that was a framset only. That’s interesting.

unworthy1, is also saying it could be a Professional that wasn’t orange. Thanks.

I read someone say in another forum that the Mistral had the Nuovo Record rear derailleur. This bike has this derailleur.

ttemplin 03-11-24 10:05 PM

sced, i have learned a lot from that link. Thanks.

oneclick 03-12-24 03:19 AM

Has she no pre-powdercoating photos of the bike?

ehcoplex 03-12-24 04:29 AM


Originally Posted by unworthy1 (Post 23181825)
another with wrap-over stays and the full-sloping fork crown with Campy ends was the Super Mistral, but those usually had Prugnat headlugs. So it could be some kind of Pro that didn't get the usual Team livery paint

I believe the Super Mistral also (usually) had fender eyelets on the DOs... Though there do seem to be enough instances in the old Holdsworth catalogs/brochures indicating frames could be ordered with various additional braze-ons or other modifications that it's always possible it initially had some customization.

Pompiere 03-12-24 08:09 AM

When you determine the model, H Lloyd has many Holdsworth decals to choose from. I ordered decals for my Evans from them last year and it only took around 10 days to receive them.

https://hlloydcycles.com/en-us/pages...e?q=holdsworth

rjhammett 03-12-24 02:49 PM

Lugs and rear derailleur stop looks very similar to my '72 Professional. I am curious whether there is chrome under the powder coat where mine has chrome.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d6d4821a1c.jpg

sced 03-12-24 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by rjhammett (Post 23182558)
Lugs and rear derailleur stop looks very similar to my '72 Professional. I am curious whether there is chrome under the powder coat where mine has chrome.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d6d4821a1c.jpg

And in this pic head and seat tube angles look different too

Aardwolf 03-13-24 02:27 PM

According to https://nkilgariff.com

1971:
All cycles available in 5 or 10 spd, bar the Pro which is 12 spd only.
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It also says "Pro" road frame is 73/73

ttemplin 03-13-24 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by oneclick (Post 23181926)
Has she no pre-powdercoating photos of the bike?

I asked her to go through any old photos that may just have the bike in the background and she found none.

ttemplin 03-13-24 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by roadcrankr (Post 23181768)
For starters, I would've recommended applying some rust remover on various components during the powder coating process.
Maybe she likes the patina. lol For Pete's Sake, at least some new bar tape.

I didn’t know her before she had it resprayed. She used it for over a decade after. I have de-rusted all components and new bar tape and brake lever hoods are waiting upon reassembly once I get the correct logos back on the frame.

ttemplin 03-13-24 09:07 PM

Wildwood.

Apparently, the only difference in the original paint before was that it had a candy or pearl in it. As far as I know, there was no chrome before.
The seat post and wrap around stays are identical to that of the Pro Road Frame in the Pro71.jpg link you posted. Thanks for the info.

ttemplin 03-13-24 09:13 PM

Aardwolf.

I was beginning to believe that this was a Professional. But it’s just a 10-speed.

3alarmer 03-13-24 09:37 PM


Originally Posted by ttemplin (Post 23183762)
Wildwood.

Apparently, the only difference in the original paint before was that it had a candy or pearl in it. As far as I know, there was no chrome before.
The seat post and wrap around stays are identical to that of the Pro Road Frame in the Pro71.jpg link you posted. Thanks for the info.

...there was a model in the early 80's catalog that came in "ice blue pearl" color. It was called the "Elan". I've personally never seen a Pro that wasn't orange. I would say don't obsess too much about the correct stickers, because it's already powder coated a different color than original. I redid am Orange Pro some yeas back, and I got my decals from H LLoyd. But the Pro decals would not look good on that bike.

Check the linked page for something that will look better against that background color, that says "Holdsworth". You can use a generic "Holdsworth" downtube sticker.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...86e82671bb.jpg

Wildwood 03-13-24 09:46 PM

General question for anyonie.

Were there Holdsworth models for sale - not in a 'catalog'? In USA?


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