Brompton style from Indonesia: United Trifold and Element Pikes
Hi folks,
I’ve been idly searching for a travel bike - it’s hard to justify the price for an original Brompton when one has six bikes already - when I happened upon some YouTube videos of Element Pikes and United Trifold bikes which are based on the Brompton style but seem to be kept more up to date with disc brakes and modern gear sets. Does anybody know more about them? Have you bought one maybe? |
I would be gun shy with something if I needed parts for had none available. Cheap is not necessarily a deal. Roger
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In the past I would have agreed with rhenning, however Brompton are making it hard or impossible to get many parts now, forcing the customer to have parts installed by an authorised dealer, the labour costs of which make maintaining a Brompton insanely expensive.
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Now imagine that your Brompton used a bog standard shimano nexus 7 like these bikes do.
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Originally Posted by concreteone
(Post 21181062)
I’ve been idly searching for a travel bike - it’s hard to justify the price for an original Brompton when one has six bikes already - when I happened upon some YouTube videos of Element Pikes and United Trifold bikes which are based on the Brompton style but seem to be kept more up to date with disc brakes and modern gear sets
"This site can’t be reachedThe webpage at https://unitedbike.com/content/trifold-3s-9 might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address. ERR_TUNNEL_CONNECTION_FAILED" https://unitedbike.com/ |
I think there is something else going on because multiple indonesian websites are currently doing maintenance. Imagine Amazon going down for maintenance on a sunday. Because Bukalapak, their equivalent to amazon is also down right now. I'll try to post links on monday for Element and United. Instagram is full of pictures though.
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The United TriFold bike folds with the drivetrain to the outside.
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Originally Posted by tcs
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The United TriFold bike folds with the drivetrain to the outside.
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I don't know where in the world you are or which of these might be available there, but in addition to the Element and United bike you mentioned there's also 3Sixty, B-Bike, Cigna, Flamingo, Fova, Groo M3, Java Neo, Jcat, La Bici, MIT, Neo, Pico, Sanye, Viking and other low cost Andrew Ritchie pattern folding bikes.
...it’s hard to justify the price for an original Brompton... The few of these available in the NA market aren't enough cheaper (by the time you pay shipping) than a Brompton B75 to entice me to buy one, but I suppose everyone has their own decision matrix for that kind of thing. In the upper tier of Andrew Ritchie pattern folders, you've got Burke, Chedech, Crosshead, Curl, South Point and the option to put together a titanium model. These are as much or more than a Brompton and bring some unique feature set to the market. |
> I don't know where in the world you are or which of these might be available there, but in addition to the Element and United bike you mentioned there's also 3Sixty, B-Bike, Cigna, Flamingo, Fova, Groo M3, Java Neo, Jcat, La Bici, MIT, Neo, Pico, Sanye, Viking and other low cost Andrew Ritchie pattern folding bikes.
I'm in Europe right now, and I'm having a heck of a time finding an easy way to buy one of those bikes listed. But I'll keep on googling, thank you! |
Originally Posted by concreteone
(Post 21181062)
Hi folks,
I’ve been idly searching for a travel bike - it’s hard to justify the price for an original Brompton when one has six bikes already If you wish to have a Brompton, get one. |
Originally Posted by FolderBeholder
(Post 21183759)
Actually, if you've already talked yourself into six assorted bikes, talking oneself into a seventh seems like a cake-walk!
If you wish to have a Brompton, get one. |
I'm from Indonesia. Seen lots of trifolds and pikes on the street these days
Basicly these two local bicycle brands caters low end/entry level bicycles. The only local brand for middle/high end market is Polygon for now United is older, bigger brand, while Element is newer but they go head to head in the market Trifold came out first, in my opinion, better quality. Pikes comes later, but they fold exactly like brompton Pikes struggles a little bit at first. A lot of faulty parts such as tensioner etc. But they're getting better. I think the 2019 Pikes is really good Trifold fold to the left (brompton and pikes to the right), so the chain is exposed. But they have internal cable routing, alloy frame As for the official websites, usually if their target market at the lower end, they don't really bother to update the website. Probably since their customers prefers to go to LBS and ask questions over there |
Originally Posted by concreteone
(Post 21183132)
I'm in Europe right now, and I'm having a heck of a time finding an easy way to buy one of those bikes listed. But I'll keep on googling, thank you!
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The Curl does look great and has modern hardware, but it's even more expensive than the Brompton? I am sure they are smart and they have somebody in mind for an audience, I wonder who buys it?
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Before I bought my Brompton I looked at the Dahon Curl as
I own six Dahons between the wife and I. One reviewer https://www.bikefolded.com/dahon-cur...ompton-killer/ My first impression with the bike was not so good. As soon as I |
Just curious
Originally Posted by concreteone
(Post 21184184)
AndI will only cry once. But where is the fun in that? When I could have a folding bike with Alfine 11 and disc brakes?
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Maybe @redstarcap has first hand experience?
I talked to United Bike and they quoted me $600 for shipping one bike to Europe. I'm currently thinking about using parcl.com to try to ship one over. |
I don't have first hand experience for Element Pikes and United Trifold, since I dont own them. I do take a close look at their user groups on facebook.
Most of them have good experiences, there are few issues on the frame hinge, rear latch doesnt align properly, broken chain tensioner, and other small issues. All are warranty covered by United and Element, but usually they only want to deal with bike shops you bought them. From what I know, they dont do direct consumer sell. I own a 2007 brompton, work on it a lot, and doing mods on a lot of my friends brompton. All I can say is this, Will butler-adams, the brompton ceo, once said, in most bike factory, the tolerance is 2mm, on brompton factory it's 0.2mm tolerance. From my experience modding bromps, yes, the 2mm means a lot for the bike that fold as complicated as a bromp. That's why they let the patent lapse, that's why they're still made in London. Folding bike is unique, it has more moving parts than most bikes. Will the cheaper choice can withstand 12 years of use like my bromp? Only time will tell |
Originally Posted by redstarcap
(Post 21206591)
That's why they let the patent lapse
that's why they're still made in London. |
In the mean time, there's still no "Brompton killer" in Europe/North America, ie. a bike that passed certifications, folds like the Brompton, and provides a better transmission + brakes.
… or doesn't bring anything new but is available for €£$500-1,000 with the same gear range as the six-speed.
Originally Posted by concreteone
(Post 21183132)
I'm in Europe right now, and I'm having a heck of a time finding an easy way to buy one of those bikes listed.
"All" they have to do is make their bikes look different enough so that they can't be mistaken for a Brompton, which is the case of the Dahon Curl… which Dahon seems to have put on pause (no longer available from the big german site Faltradxxs). |
European 'Brompton'
Originally Posted by concreteone
(Post 21204514)
Maybe @redstarcap has first hand experience?
I talked to United Bike and they quoted me $600 for shipping one bike to Europe. I'm currently thinking about using parcl.com to try to ship one over. |
Originally Posted by concreteone
(Post 21181916)
I think there is something else going on because multiple indonesian websites are currently doing maintenance. Imagine Amazon going down for maintenance on a sunday. Because Bukalapak, their equivalent to amazon is also down right now. I'll try to post links on monday for Element and United. Instagram is full of pictures though.
if you are on facebook, perhaps you can join id-foldingbike or jogjafoldingbike some folks also have their own bicycle store, or maybe someone have experience sending bicylce to europe |
Originally Posted by burnfatburn
(Post 21220158)
have you got one?
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it is bit funny, some of you want to have Pikes or Trifold, while top executive of Indonesian flag carrier lost his job since he put Brompton (two pcs, plus some Harley Davidson's parts) inside a brand new Airbus delivered into the country....probably he wants Brompton more than anything else...
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