Originally Posted by 79pmooney
(Post 22115715)
Now, modern bikes make carrying the best tool for that very basic necessity of tire inflation impractical.
Originally Posted by MrWasabi
(Post 22115716)
Does everyone just feel/eyeball it in terms of pressure with the small hand pumps and CO2?
Thanks again for the great input. But doing it by feel works well enough to get you home, usually. |
Topeak Morph Pump & ride sensible to avoid using it. Usually a flat happen when the other option was to ford a ravine, exchange paint with a vehicle, or end up with a pinch flat. Easier to just replace/patch the 1 hole...
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney
(Post 22115722)
The thumb and index finger squeeze was all I used in racing days. I now have a floor pump with gauge in my garage, but feel takes precedent over the reading.
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Since discovering the type I have a couple of small pumps with hose and fold out foot. . . mini floor pumps. Less tiring, less risk of breaking a valve, slightly faster and easier because you aren't wasting half your energy just to keep the valve end steady. I have several, on different bikes, and they all work OK, even the $10 Ebay one.
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Originally Posted by Cpn_Dunsel
(Post 22115824)
Sure, my 20 year-old, still working frame pump has a carbon foot print. Touche ~ !
But you claiming it uses as much raw materials as disposable cartridges? Many of them never even get used and are disposed of improperly. Also, good pumps do not simply 'die in the field.' If it is working at the start of a ride it's ginna be working when needed during a ride. Please. I am neurotic dude, no doubt, but that is going too far even for me {insert appropriate emoticon here}. My Zefal broke in two after a small drop, so I don't recommend it. - I didnt claim it uses as much raw materials as disposable cartridges. I simply said a full size frame pump that breaks in half after a small drop is a big environmental waste. - I have 0 idea how much raw material goes into a cartridge and I have 0 idea how much raw material goes into a full size frame pump. - I very much doubt that most people test their pump before every ride to ensure it is working. So a seal dries out over time since a pump is used rarely, and it doesnt work when finally needed. Thats on the person for not testing before every ride, I guess, but its like blaming someone for not reading itunes TOS since so few test every part of their bike before every ride. Ease up, my goodness. |
Might depend on how often you flat. If you flat a lot, then CO2 cartridges will just add to your expense. Though I've found that you can get the same size cartridges threaded or not from food service industry suppliers for way cheaper than other suppliers.
If I was to flat often, then I'd probably carry a larger frame pump that fits under the top tube. The tiny little pumps, to me, are great for topping off, but not to fully inflate without giving a workout. Since I'll go 1 or 2 years between flats, I only carry a CO2 inflator. I'm not sure why others might consider them something to fill up land fills, I put mine in the recycling bin. Metal is very recyclable. I sometimes crush them just to ensure they don't think they are still pressurized. |
Originally Posted by GBK233
(Post 22115472)
Wastefulness of CO2 cartridges?? What does that mean?
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I use full length frame pumps that fit in front of the seat tube or under the top tube. Depends on the bike. The wife uses a vintage Silca Impero, I used an Impero, but now use a Zefal HPX. Both Imperos are close to 40 years old and plastic and work perfectly and are rebuildable. Both Imperos and the Zefal HPX are compression mountings that do not need a pump umbrella, and fit between the frame tubes..
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
(Post 22115663)
Looks like your frame pump was also environmental waste- a lot of it too.
I carry a co2 inflator, but have never used it while riding. My pump gets used first. The co2 is there in case I find myself in your situation and the pump decides to die in the field. Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing people for using co2, That's just my personal calculation. |
Originally Posted by MrWasabi
(Post 22115390)
What's everyone's preference? I carry an inflator and CO2. I've been thinking about adding a small frame pump. If I add a pump what are some good ones out there? Obviously I want small and light but don't want to give up too much ease of use/functionality. I've been looking at the Lezyne Pocket Drive.
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Originally Posted by MrWasabi
(Post 22115390)
What's everyone's preference? I carry an inflator and CO2. I've been thinking about adding a small frame pump. If I add a pump what are some good ones out there? Obviously I want small and light but don't want to give up too much ease of use/functionality. I've been looking at the Lezyne Pocket Drive.
Thanks for any input. |
I prefer full frame pumps. On my carbon disc bike with a curved top tube I've been carrying a mini pump. But I think I'm going to buy a Co2 cartridge holder that bolts to the bottle cage mount. Two on that and one in the pocket.
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Two theories of on-the-road puncture repair:
1. You don't have a puncture very often so it doesn't matter very much how long it takes you to re-inflate your tire afterward. 2. Since you got a puncture, you're already upset. The quicker and easier you get back on the road, the less upset you're apt to get. Which one more accurately describes you? |
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I like the Lezyne Road Drive. I have one in the medium size, and recently ordered one in the large size.
I have a frame pack that hangs underneath the top tube. It can accommodate one of these pumps, spare tube, patch kit, tire levers, small multitool, etc., along with my flip phone. I keep my Topeak SmartGauge D2 in there, too; not terribly concerned about the grams. |
For my city loops I carry a small pump on my frame (on the water bottle bracket). A Lezyne I think. It does the job with some effort. Which ever one it is it's a highly rated one. On long rides I carry my trusty Silca Pocket Impero pump. I don't mess around. If I'm off trail in more remote areas I carry the Pocket Impero pump and a CO2 inflator as a backup.
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Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
(Post 22117134)
Two theories of on-the-road puncture repair:
1. You don't have a puncture very often so it doesn't matter very much how long it takes you to re-inflate your tire afterward. 2. Since you got a puncture, you're already upset. The quicker and easier you get back on the road, the less upset you're apt to get. Which one more accurately describes you? My last flat a few weeks ago and the first in years (well, the one I discovered at home does not count) was on a new bike. REAR, of course, My first thru-axle. Off comes the one pannier. Dump it on street. Next figure out thru-axle (not much but first time). Now try locating cause - absolutely easy, A damn staple with both legs in tire. Memorize location (not needed went with spare tube). Now dump pannier's contents looking for tire irons, pump, patch kit, tubes. Now bust a gut (first time) getting tire off rim. Getting hot and bothered. Pump up tube free of tire and it is good. Replace tube and BUST gut second time trying and trying and TRYING to mount tire on rim. My friend gives it a try. Busts her gut. Some pedestrian with fresh fingers offers and we accept. He succeeds. Oh, yes, little leyzine with flex tube and small foot loop. Pump, pump.... pump. Feels very firm - no guage. EXHAUSTED. Complete last 15 miles of 20 mile ride. At home, tire was within 3-5 pounds of 85. Not bad. NOT fun but success. All it took was the right tools and THREE people, one of which was not along on the ride! I've never used CO2. Most of the exasperation was removing and fitting the tire. The pumping was work but at that point .... |
Originally Posted by kahn
(Post 22117178)
NOT fun but success. All it took was the right tools and THREE people, one of which was not along on the ride!
I don't carry one myself, but that's because I know that the tires I'm using are manageable without one. |
Originally Posted by Cpn_Dunsel
(Post 22117138)
Your defense of ignorance and laziness is well articulated. Kudos. You skill is misconstruing the point in order to make your own, typical. Yet, no one, and certainly not me, needs to meet your mindset or energy levels in their own posts. Telling people to 'ease up' is a bit over the line. You really are wholly ignorant to what a person is thinking or feeling and tread on thin ice here.
I think best would be for you to apply your own advice to yourself. Show us all how it's done in proper fashion, as it were. Best of luck at becoming better at reading the room temp. {Insert laughing emoticon with sunglasses} |
Originally Posted by ksryder
(Post 22115730)
That's not even a little bit true. Several mini-pumps have been mentioned in this thread that will inflate a tire in ~100 pumps or less.
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Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
(Post 22117134)
Two theories of on-the-road puncture repair:
1. You don't have a puncture very often so it doesn't matter very much how long it takes you to re-inflate your tire afterward. 2. Since you got a puncture, you're already upset. The quicker and easier you get back on the road, the less upset you're apt to get. 3. Flats happen. You want the right tools for the job. Which one more accurately describes you? |
Originally Posted by MrWasabi
(Post 22115390)
What's everyone's preference? I carry an inflator and CO2. I've been thinking about adding a small frame pump. If I add a pump what are some good ones out there? Obviously I want small and light but don't want to give up too much ease of use/functionality. I've been looking at the Lezyne Pocket Drive.
Thanks for any input. Your concern about size vs function is valid, as I have had pumps that seem to take forever. I carry a Pro Bike Tool "Mini Floor Pump" on the tandem because it works well, but it is a little large. Makes me wonder if the same brand's "Classic" would be a good compromise, but I have also seen excellent reviews for the Lezyne which is the same price. I guess what I'm saying is, I'm just here to see what others say about the Lezyne or other brands. |
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