Frame mounted pump and/or CO2?
What's everyone's preference? I carry an inflator and CO2. I've been thinking about adding a small frame pump. If I add a pump what are some good ones out there? Obviously I want small and light but don't want to give up too much ease of use/functionality. I've been looking at the Lezyne Pocket Drive.
Thanks for any input. |
Originally Posted by MrWasabi
(Post 22115390)
What's everyone's preference? I carry an inflator and CO2. I've been thinking about adding a small frame pump. If I add a pump what are some good ones out there? Obviously I want small and light but don't want to give up too much ease of use/functionality. I've been looking at the Lezyne Pocket Drive.
Thanks for any input. |
Originally Posted by MrWasabi
(Post 22115390)
What's everyone's preference? I carry an inflator and CO2. I've been thinking about adding a small frame pump. If I add a pump what are some good ones out there? Obviously I want small and light but don't want to give up too much ease of use/functionality. I've been looking at the Lezyne Pocket Drive.
Thanks for any input. You’ll get plenty of recommendations, and mine is the Silca Tattico. Not the cheapest, not the lightest, but it’s extremely well-built and works nicely. |
I carry Both. Use CO2 when Tired, Raining, Hot.
Five Times I have had Three Flats on a ride. I now carry Five tubes and also a Spare tire. |
I can't justify the environmental waste of co2 cartridges, so I carry a frame pump. I just got a new one I haven't had to use yet, so I'll hold off the recommendation. My Zefal broke in two after a small drop, so I don't recommend it.
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I carry both as well, despite being kind of uncomfortable with the indulgent wastefulness of CO2. I mean, maybe the production of the cartridges and gas is no worse, from an environmental quality standpoint, than the plastics and metal used in mini-pump production, I don’t know, but so many folks disposing of the gas cartridges all the time seems wasteful compared to the long life of a pump. I resisted gas for a long time until a buddy on a group ride gave me one to use and I saw how nice and convenient it was to use, allowing us to get back underway more quickly. It just feels self-indulgent, so I don’t wholeheartedly endorse gas use.
Of course, because canisters are limited in volume, having a pump on the bike is more versatile and allows one to potentially do more without any risk, so for example, helping a rider in need with your last canister is great, but then you’ve no flat repair ability. A pump, on the other hand, never runs out of air. To the question, though, Lezyne mini-pumps are probably my favorites— I have three— though the last two I’ve bought have been Specialized Air Tools, which I think look particularly sleek but have some functional shortcomings compared to Lezynes. Most notably, the Lezyne hose connection to the valve is vastly better from an ergonomic perspective compared to the fixed head of the Specialized Air Tools. Given the infrequency of use, I weight style a little more in the case of Air Tool, but the Lezynes ain’t ugly either. Both are built well and finished nicely, and come with mounting clips which bolt on water bottle bosses, behind a bottle cage if desired. Both Lezyne Road Drive and Specialized Air Tool work well and make inflating relatively easy; their action is good, solid, and easy. |
Originally Posted by chaadster
(Post 22115427)
I carry both as well, despite being kind of uncomfortable with the indulgent wastefulness of CO2. I mean, maybe the production of the cartridges and gas is no worse, from an environmental quality standpoint, than the plastics and metal used in mini-pump production, I don’t know, but so many folks disposing of the gas cartridges all the time seems wasteful compared to the long life of a pump. I resisted gas for a long time until a buddy on a group ride gave me one to use and I saw how nice and convenient it was to use, allowing us to get back underway more quickly. It just feels self-indulgent, so I don’t wholeheartedly endorse gas use.
Of course, because canisters are limited in volume, having a pump on the bike is more versatile and allows one to potentially do more without any risk, so for example, helping a rider in need with your last canister is great, but then you’ve no flat repair ability. A pump, on the other hand, never runs out of air. |
Originally Posted by livedarklions
(Post 22115417)
I can't justify the environmental waste of co2 cartridges, so I carry a frame pump. I just got a new one I haven't had to use yet, so I'll hold off the recommendation. My Zefal broke in two after a small drop, so I don't recommend it.
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Originally Posted by BikingViking793
(Post 22115392)
I have the co2 inflater. I have only had one flat on the road so it seems fine just having the one inflater.
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I always carry both a pump and CO2.
For a simple deflated tire due to a puncture, my default choice is the pump. I will use CO2 if cold, raining, or if in some other unpleasant situation that would cause me to want to hurry, or if people are waiting on me. When riding tubeless, the CO2 is necessary if the tire has become unseated from the bead. |
Great input, I'm going to add a small pump to my gear.
Thanks again everyone. |
I’ve used this PDW Ninja inflator/pump combo for several years now. It’s less than 6” long and fits in my saddle bag or jersey. The inflator is easily controlled with a valve and works with schraeder or presta. The pump will also get you home although it takes a lot of strokes for a 25mm tire - I've done it quite a few times when not in a hurry. Nicely made and like most of PDW’s stuff, it works well. https://ridepdw.com/collections/infl...cts/ninja-pump
I don’t carry frame pumps anymore unless it’s for show on a vintage bike. |
Originally Posted by veloz
(Post 22115522)
I’ve used this PDW Ninja inflator/pump combo for several years now. It’s less than 6” long and fits in my saddle bag or jersey. The inflator is easily controlled with a valve and works with schraeder or presta. The pump will also get you home although it takes a lot of strokes for a 25mm tire - I've done it quite a few times when not in a hurry. Nicely made and like most of PDW’s stuff, it works well. https://ridepdw.com/collections/infl...cts/ninja-pump
I don’t carry frame pumps anymore unless it’s for show on a vintage bike. |
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Originally Posted by MrWasabi
(Post 22115526)
That one looks nice and I could take my current CO2 inflator out of my saddle bag. Get I get it to a decent 90ish+ PSI?
I generally like, and own some, PDW stuff, but the Ninja pump seems like a huge fail in terms of being a hand pump that’ll get a tire to rideable pressure. Even if it could, it’d take so long that I’m sure a loved one, workplace, landlord or neighbor would have filed a missing persons report and the police would have found you by then. |
I just recently purchased the Lezyne Pocket Drive. It was the only pump that fit in the downtube storage compartment in my new Trek Domane.
Couple weeks ago a guy on our group ride got a flat. He used my pump. For as small as it is, I was quite impressed at how quickly and easily it filled the tire. |
Originally Posted by prj71
(Post 22115606)
I just recently purchased the Lezyne Pocket Drive. It was the only pump that fit in the downtube storage compartment in my new Trek Domane.
Couple weeks ago a guy on our group ride got a flat. He used my pump. For as small as it is, I was quite impressed at how quickly and easily it filled the tire. I bought a Blackburn mini-pump that's basically the same concept for my road bike mainly for aesthetic reasons because I'm vain. It takes more pumps to get there but it does the job. Of course, it also unscrewed the valve core. |
On my classic one, I have a Silca frame pump custom painted to match the bike. It’ll pump a tire but mostly it’s just cool.
Otherwise, a regular CO2 can handle one road tire. I carry it for just that. I’ve brought the CO2 along with a little mini pump on long gravel and mountain bike rides. On stuff where multiple flats can leave me stranded, I do like the pump. Even if it’s slower and annoying. Tubeless helps, the sealant dramatically decreases the chance I’ll need to fix a flat. Once settled, a tubeless tire can be reinflated with a hand pump. |
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1849353c9f.jpg
co2 inflator in my wedge bag and topeak road morph along my seat tube connected to a bottle cage. It all stays out of the way. |
Originally Posted by livedarklions
(Post 22115417)
I can't justify the environmental waste of co2 cartridges, so I carry a frame pump. I just got a new one I haven't had to use yet, so I'll hold off the recommendation. My Zefal broke in two after a small drop, so I don't recommend it.
I carry a co2 inflator, but have never used it while riding. My pump gets used first. The co2 is there in case I find myself in your situation and the pump decides to die in the field. |
Spare tube, mini inflator AND CO2 inflator, 2 cartridges, tire levers, and a $20 bill. All in this:
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5dd1401ba.jpeg |
Originally Posted by veloz
(Post 22115522)
I’ve used this PDW Ninja inflator/pump combo for several years now. It’s less than 6” long and fits in my saddle bag or jersey. The inflator is easily controlled with a valve and works with schraeder or presta. The pump will also get you home although it takes a lot of strokes for a 25mm tire - I've done it quite a few times when not in a hurry. Nicely made and like most of PDW’s stuff, it works well. https://ridepdw.com/collections/infl...cts/ninja-pump
I don’t carry frame pumps anymore unless it’s for show on a vintage bike. |
OP, you ruled out my advice - a good, full size frame pump. 100 strokes to full pressure. The ability to off tires. The freedom to drop tire pressure for a portion of the ride (gravel, say) and easily pump back up for the 35 miles home. No - how many flats can I repair? I've had several rides over my years of riding that just happened to be bad days and I've had to pump tires from scratch a half dozen times or more. (And rides with others where CO2s ran out and mini-pumped arms failed.
In fact, good frame pumps work so well no other inflation device is needed (unless you ride tubeless for the bead seal as mentioned above). In my racing days, I owned two pumps. A Zephal HP on each bike. I rode sewups. Race wheels were silk/latex and got pumped from scratch every race. Now, modern bikes make carrying the best tool for that very basic necessity of tire inflation impractical. Yes, I know. Frame pumps are heavy, so non-aero, klutzy, old-fashioned and dumb (and in a pinch, surely some old fart will have one so I don't have to). (Rant, rant :)) Ben - who's may have crossed frame pumps on his tombstone |
Does everyone just feel/eyeball it in terms of pressure with the small hand pumps and CO2?
Thanks again for the great input. |
The thumb and index finger squeeze was all I used in racing days. I now have a floor pump with gauge in my garage, but feel takes precedent over the reading.
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney
(Post 22115715)
Now, modern bikes make carrying the best tool for that very basic necessity of tire inflation impractical.
Originally Posted by MrWasabi
(Post 22115716)
Does everyone just feel/eyeball it in terms of pressure with the small hand pumps and CO2?
Thanks again for the great input. But doing it by feel works well enough to get you home, usually. |
Topeak Morph Pump & ride sensible to avoid using it. Usually a flat happen when the other option was to ford a ravine, exchange paint with a vehicle, or end up with a pinch flat. Easier to just replace/patch the 1 hole...
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney
(Post 22115722)
The thumb and index finger squeeze was all I used in racing days. I now have a floor pump with gauge in my garage, but feel takes precedent over the reading.
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Since discovering the type I have a couple of small pumps with hose and fold out foot. . . mini floor pumps. Less tiring, less risk of breaking a valve, slightly faster and easier because you aren't wasting half your energy just to keep the valve end steady. I have several, on different bikes, and they all work OK, even the $10 Ebay one.
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