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TMonk 01-15-20 02:56 PM

2020 racing stories
 
Started 2020 off with a course record in the Men's 20k TTT at the Fiesta Island Time Trial (FITT) series. The four of us rode a 24:56 20k. To put that result into perspective, the course record for the Men's 20k ITT is only 24:07 :eek:... but that was set in warmer temperatures by a pro (Sam Boardman).

We had zero practice (a mid week session fell through), one of our four was brand new to riding with us and TTT and the island had all sorts of dried mud from the recent rains that sapped speed, and it was cold, and..... Excuses, I know. Our ride was pretty janky/could be smoothed out a lot. In april we will be going for the 40k TTT which is 48:51... yeah we have our work cut out for us.

The ride was good for ~25 minutes of ~29.5 MPH. I spent the first two and a half (of three) scared that I was going to get dropped, then the last half lap hurting a lot... But I think that's a bout right, as far as effort distribution goes. Looking fwd to more ITT and TTT work in 2020!

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d0c3512d04.png
Our squad looking fly in the 2019 SCNCA skinsuits - I'm the shorter of the two on the top step

Hermes 01-16-20 09:06 AM

Wow. What a great result on a cold day. And fabulous execution for 25 minutes at 29.5 mph. As racers, we always think that we could do better but the fact is holding a team together in the TT position at that speed for that time is amazing. I find this type of race and execution totally satisfying and makes racing so much fun.

furiousferret 01-16-20 12:27 PM

Starting off the thread with a W, that's good sign!

TMonk 01-16-20 03:45 PM

Thanks guys, TTT is a total blast and I can't wait to defend our SCNCA title in late May, and go for the 40k Fiesta FITT course record in April. Those will be great achievements! Also, some day I wish to get in to IP and TP on the track as well!

burnthesheep 02-03-20 12:42 PM

More updates later, but I'm absolutely incensed about something that happened racing this weekend. After everyone has their story/say, I'll post up.

I've kept it professional and factual, but I'm freaking livid.

TMonk 02-03-20 03:11 PM

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topflightpro 02-03-20 04:43 PM

Oh come one now. You can't do that. Don't leave us hanging. Back it up with the story.

furiousferret 02-03-20 05:13 PM

:popcorn

Doge 02-03-20 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by burnthesheep (Post 21311739)
More updates later, but I'm absolutely incensed about something that happened racing this weekend. After everyone has their story/say, I'll post up.

I've kept it professional and factual, but I'm freaking livid.

Nice I'm not the only guy that often feels that way - and I don't race the bike I ride.

This is a sport that disadvantages one class over another.
-based on age.
-based on health (PED use allowed by some, not others)
-mandated prize size for genders, so net profit losers for promoters. (State laws)
-has dudes compete with women
Why is anyone surprised something is not fair?

burnthesheep 02-03-20 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by Doge (Post 21312241)
Nice I'm not the only guy that often feels that way - and I don't race the bike I ride.

This is a sport that disadvantages one class over another.
-based on age.
-based on health (PED use allowed by some, not others)
-mandated prize size for genders, so net profit losers for promoters. (State laws)
-has dudes compete with women
Why is anyone surprised something is not fair?

Yup. Totally get it. I won’t let it keep me from doing what I enjoy doing. But, I can always exercise choice.

It will probably take a day or so to hear back, but based on when I posted there’s only so many things that were going on local to me if you need a small clue.

I seek no remedy really. As you said, life’s not fair and sometimes sport isn’t either. But, best I can say is at work we tell people all the time “if you’d only said something!”. So, I did. Now I await the response.

burnthesheep 02-05-20 09:52 AM

Haven't heard back, might not. I talked to Topflight in PM a bit about it. I'l go ahead and post up.

Myself and a couple others at the weekend TT race went by the published route map. When I went through the fiinish round-about, I took the 2nd exit per the published route. Nobody was at that turn when I came through that part of the course.

This resulted in myself (and maybe one or two others) getting a DQ.

I specifically asked at checkin about changes to the route, and specifically asked about the finish as there's a couple turns there to get right. I was told "it's per the published route online". Ok. Then I get there to that point and it's downwind and I'm approaching it at about 25mph and see a volunteer or staff member about 30 yards away from the turn kind of motioning to not short-cut the roundabout by going against traffic. OK. Nobody was in the roundabout to point you down the changed route around the back of the parking lot.

Topflight's acquaintance got sent the right way. Given what was available to me, there's no way on God's green Earth I could have gone any different path.

It was windy AF and the signs were flapping around. In my pre-ride I went out to the main road, then back into the park using the published route.

Honestly, I can't accept that I should have done anything even more extra here. If I specifically ask about how the finish arrival is, somebody should have been able to describe that change to me. I asked.

Now, I've got a DQ instead of a W. Even with the piece behind the parking lot, I would have won my class.

**** happens, but I've never ever ever done another event with any ambiguity as to which way to go. Gravel grinder, TT, duathlon, 1/2 marathon, road race.........I drag raced my car years back...........all of it was very obvious.

I just politely disagree that something in the system failed to guide every competitor the right direction. I know for sure it's happened before at UCI road and TT events in the past. They had a lady on Fast-talk podcast describe why she doesn't make races an "A+" priority after getting a DQ in an almost identical scenario.

Soccer cones on Amazon are like $5 a set. I'll donate some. Would have made this guy's day.

/Fin

Spesh 02-05-20 02:55 PM

Sucks. For sure. But **** happens. We're amateurs... I wouldn't let it bother you too much. But that's just me...

burnthesheep 02-05-20 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by Spesh (Post 21315393)
Sucks. For sure. But **** happens. We're amateurs... I wouldn't let it bother you too much. But that's just me...

Fasttalk podcast hit the nail on the head for this one when it gave the example of the female UCI pro in a similar situation. Don't make something an A++ priority event. Have plenty of B and C. And likely you'll win some C along the way and be happier than having weird random crap happen to your A races.

Rides4Beer 03-03-20 09:44 AM

Had my first road race a week ago, it was great! I'm a pretty strong rider, ultra running background, so I was able to jump into A group rides pretty much as soon as I started riding a little over a year ago. But I wasn't keen on racing, well, more specifically, crashing. So I'm still not interested in tight crit courses, but we have a spring series here that has some open road races. So I figured I'd try out the first one, 5 loops of a 7 mile course that I'm very familiar with (it's where we do Tues night worlds).

Men's Cat 4/5 had 97 people. I'm used to fast group rides, even faster than we rode for the race, but a group ride where people are riding two by two and taking turns up front is very different from a pack running 4-5 wide and no one working together. lol I was pleasantly surprised that we didn't have any crashes, but I was also very careful to try to stay on the edges of the group, so I had a way out in case things went sideways. Couple of close calls and some bumping, but nobody went down. There were 3-4 breakaways, but none of them held, the group would always reel them back in. I think because it was a two day deal (same course the next day), no one wanted to just put it all out there on the first day. I didn't race the second day, rode gravel, since I'm training for Dirty Kanza.

Going into the last lap, I found myself in the back third of the pack, and knew that I needed to work my way back up front if I wanted to have any chance when we came off the last climb into the sprint. It's crazy how fast most of the group can move around you when you get boxed in, I spent most of the race up towards the front, got stuck going into one curve and suddenly I was at the back. lol But I did manage to work my way back up front without burning too many matches. Looking back, I had enough gas left and should have worked to get further up front before going into the sprint. Because once we hit the sprint, I only passed one person, and then everyone pretty much held their positions to the finish. Finished 15th out of 97, probably could have been top ten if I had positioned myself better, but I'm still very happy with that.

Overall, it was a good experience, I wouldn't mind doing it again, so long as it's an open course. Don't think I'll get licensed, I don't race enough (sanctioned) to make it worth it, I'll probably do a few one day events the whole year. The rest of my racing will be gravel and my club's TT series in the summer. But I can see what people have said about it not just being about power, positioning is def key.

topflightpro 03-03-20 09:48 AM

Nice job. Hincapie Series?

cmh 03-03-20 10:31 AM

Really good job Rides4beer for your first race. Welcome to road racing. I hope you decide to do more races.

Rides4Beer 03-03-20 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by topflightpro (Post 21351527)
Nice job. Hincapie Series?

Yup! Was thinking about the Fork Shoals race this weekend, but I also need to keep my gravel volume up, DK is gonna be here before I know it! lol


Originally Posted by cmh (Post 21351616)
Really good job Rides4beer for your first race. Welcome to road racing. I hope you decide to do more races.

Thanks! It was def a good experience, I'm sure I'll do it again.

Wylde06 03-03-20 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by Rides4Beer (Post 21351519)
Had my first road race a week ago, it was great! I'm a pretty strong rider, ultra running background, so I was able to jump into A group rides pretty much as soon as I started riding a little over a year ago. But I wasn't keen on racing, well, more specifically, crashing. So I'm still not interested in tight crit courses, but we have a spring series here that has some open road races. So I figured I'd try out the first one, 5 loops of a 7 mile course that I'm very familiar with (it's where we do Tues night worlds).

Men's Cat 4/5 had 97 people. I'm used to fast group rides, even faster than we rode for the race, but a group ride where people are riding two by two and taking turns up front is very different from a pack running 4-5 wide and no one working together. lol I was pleasantly surprised that we didn't have any crashes, but I was also very careful to try to stay on the edges of the group, so I had a way out in case things went sideways. Couple of close calls and some bumping, but nobody went down. There were 3-4 breakaways, but none of them held, the group would always reel them back in. I think because it was a two day deal (same course the next day), no one wanted to just put it all out there on the first day. I didn't race the second day, rode gravel, since I'm training for Dirty Kanza.

Going into the last lap, I found myself in the back third of the pack, and knew that I needed to work my way back up front if I wanted to have any chance when we came off the last climb into the sprint. It's crazy how fast most of the group can move around you when you get boxed in, I spent most of the race up towards the front, got stuck going into one curve and suddenly I was at the back. lol But I did manage to work my way back up front without burning too many matches. Looking back, I had enough gas left and should have worked to get further up front before going into the sprint. Because once we hit the sprint, I only passed one person, and then everyone pretty much held their positions to the finish. Finished 15th out of 97, probably could have been top ten if I had positioned myself better, but I'm still very happy with that.

Overall, it was a good experience, I wouldn't mind doing it again, so long as it's an open course. Don't think I'll get licensed, I don't race enough (sanctioned) to make it worth it, I'll probably do a few one day events the whole year. The rest of my racing will be gravel and my club's TT series in the summer. But I can see what people have said about it not just being about power, positioning is def key.

I have a few teammates that were in that race with you. A group of guys from up here went down to get some early season racing in. I heard pretty good things about it

Hermes 03-03-20 02:12 PM

Congrats on race and tactics rides4beer

burnthesheep 03-03-20 02:37 PM

I posted that in the wrong topic, oops.

Anyways, digging more. The person who had my HED's had filled the latex tubes with sealant. It just came out all over when I fully removed everything. The tube was also stuck to itself in spots.

So, that's possibly even worse. A latex tube doesn't hold shape when not always inflated. If it ever deflated hardly at all, it would have stuck to itself! Geeee whiz man.

People have been warned about doing this to latex. You could do it right before an A event and then toss the tubular or latex tube in the trash after one use. But, soon as the latex tube loses air/shape and the sealant does its job........you're effed.

Rides4Beer 03-03-20 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by Wylde06 (Post 21351851)
I have a few teammates that were in that race with you. A group of guys from up here went down to get some early season racing in. I heard pretty good things about it

Right on, hope they had a good race! It was a good event, I enjoyed it.


Originally Posted by Hermes (Post 21351911)
Congrats on race and tactics rides4beer

Thanks! Def learned a lot about tactics and positioning. Some folks were telling me that the next race will be better because there's a good hill that will break the group up more. Might have to check it out.

TMonk 03-04-20 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by burnthesheep (Post 21351943)
I posted that in the wrong topic, oops.

Anyways, digging more. The person who had my HED's had filled the latex tubes with sealant. It just came out all over when I fully removed everything. The tube was also stuck to itself in spots.

So, that's possibly even worse. A latex tube doesn't hold shape when not always inflated. If it ever deflated hardly at all, it would have stuck to itself! Geeee whiz man.

People have been warned about doing this to latex. You could do it right before an A event and then toss the tubular or latex tube in the trash after one use. But, soon as the latex tube loses air/shape and the sealant does its job........you're effed.

So is the solution to just not use sealant with latex? That's what I do, but my latex tubed wheels (tubular and clincher) are race-only.

TMonk 03-04-20 11:30 AM

Haven't been as active with posting, super busy at work and with all of the wedding planning! It's in 2 months. But I have been racing!

VoS cat 2 was fun, minus being 2 minutes late to the start of my TT... (D'oh!). My ride was still only 32' (by my watch) and would have been 22/52... Yeah there's some room for improvement there. Due to my botched start I was lacking motivation on the return leg when it really mattered, so that was worth some time, but still I'm humbled to be mid-pack after all the TT training I've done. Still though, this is a specialist's race and I'm excited to do more ITT in the future and continue to improve on my position, power and pacing tactics. I've spoken with a coach at the velodrome down here who offered to do a complimentary TT fitting for me, which should help establish a baseline I can tinker off of instead of just winging-it, which is what I have done up until now.

RR and crit were fun, no results personally but as a team we got 2nd and 1st in them, respectively. Our racer is so talented that I doubt my help mattered, but I went on strong moves late in each race to help string things out and keep him safe and slotted up front. In the crit I grabbed a $100 prime in the lap cards and stayed OTF until the bell lap with another rider which was cool. We still had 1 leadout man for our talented rider left so they finished that one off nicely.

Outside of that it's been a couple crits just getting bossed around by Legion of Los Angeles. This is def. a new level of speed for me and while I'm fit and feel just fine in the field, when I pop out into the wind I'm like "OK this is actually fast" and moving up is hard. Still I've been able to attack a couple times in the races but unless I have other riders I can hardly even last a lap in front of them doing their thing without any acceleration from them. Kind of like how most moves are really against them... Even a concerted effort of a few riders won't last against an 8-man TTT till the sprint finish. It's been like a group ride behind their team basically. If Cory or Justin aren't in a move up front in a SoCal crit, and they have a full squad, a break just won't stick, period. These guys are basically pros and need a bigger pond to swim in! Still, it should be fun in TdM or other bigger races to have some real pro teams give them a run for their money.

Oh and they can be super aggressive, like physically pushing anyone who ends up near the front/in their train, so you kind of have to launch from like 10 riders back which is more than I'd prefer. It's like cool guys, I get it that you're all pro and aggro and stuff, but some of us have day jobs...

As for me I'm looking forward to TTT states and weekly track racing once that starts. I still need to race a few more times to get my reimbursement, clothing and other benefits, but not super interested in getting beat by Legion again. Wish there was more Cat 2 only racing...

Regardless of the predicatable finisih in these SoCal crits I'm still having fun training and racing and that's what counts!

burnthesheep 03-04-20 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by TMonk (Post 21352964)
So is the solution to just not use sealant with latex? That's what I do, but my latex tubed wheels (tubular and clincher) are race-only.

The solution is to not trust something somebody else did with an uknown of care.

The rim tape was crap. And, the front sat forever while letting out a lot more air for the same time as the rear. If it is done correctly, and managed yourself, it is probably fine. Mine, lots of uknowns. When I bought those HEDs I should have trashed the tubes at least. I didn't.

Doge 03-08-20 10:31 PM


Originally Posted by burnthesheep (Post 21351943)
I posted that in the wrong topic, oops.

Anyways, digging more. The person who had my HED's had filled the latex tubes with sealant. It just came out all over when I fully removed everything. The tube was also stuck to itself in spots.

So, that's possibly even worse. A latex tube doesn't hold shape when not always inflated. If it ever deflated hardly at all, it would have stuck to itself! Geeee whiz man.

People have been warned about doing this to latex. You could do it right before an A event and then toss the tubular or latex tube in the trash after one use. But, soon as the latex tube loses air/shape and the sealant does its job........you're effed.

I only use latex for me, wife, tandem and junior racing (since on this forum maybe 50 tubes?). Although now Junior's on his own, he doesn't like to pump, so he rides normal clinchers, that black rubber stuff (just won the first collegiate ITT on them).

Pre-filling latex with sealant is something I don't do. Some sport director helper thought it would be a nice thing to do to fill my kid's (I bought) custom made silks with sealant without asking. That did not go over so well.
Anyway, I do ride with Stan's, a valve remover and will use it only when needed. Sealant seems to be good for about a year. Resealing/adding more after it dries just does not work.

The flats you get vary a bit by region. Wire cuts, Goat Head thorns, small glass cuts are sealed easily - after the fact and you can turn the tire to just the right spot.
Kid can ride a couple years in CO without a flat if he stays out of the city. I get Goat Head thorn flats. Pretty much, I have become resigned to that.

mattm 03-15-20 03:08 PM

Won the Sky Express p1/2 crit last weekend! Nice to get my general seasonal goal ("win something") out of the way so early in the season. Sky Express is the Red Kite race but rebranded - different promoter, same course. Field was 40-something, pretty good for this race.

We had six guys, the biggest team, so the pressure was on us to win. And the pressure was on me to sprint at the end of the race if it came down to that.

Vegan Cyclist's new "Ride Bikes Bro" team was there with a new guy that recently won a local crit, so he was a guy to watch. He's a breakaway kind of guy so I was all over almost every one of his attacks.

Nothing got away (even though we & Ride Bikes wanted a break, it seemed) so it came down to more or less a field sprint. The fast guy from Ride Bikes was otf for the last lap by maybe 5 seconds, and I got a mini-leadout from a teammate in which we jumped a leadout train coming in to the penultimate corner. I had to brake going in to that corner and then we came out of it slow, and I was freaking out thinking we're about to get swarmed..

The guy was still solo otf so I figured it was either get swarmed and battle for 2nd, or go WAY EARLY (~600m to go) and see if I can catch the guy otf.

I went early and caught the guy at the last corner, then came around him for the win. Boom!

TMonk 03-15-20 06:14 PM

bravo!

UmneyDurak 03-19-20 08:00 AM

Nice, congrats!

Few weeks ago I got that goal completely unexpectedly. Was helping teammate in stage race. Last race was RR. I was attacking, and pushing the pace on ever roller and rise. It was pretty flat race overall. On last lap got to the front again and next thing I know have a gap. So just went for it. Figured there were still teammate to help him, and it would be nice to have someone on GC podium and win the race. At some point had 1min on the field. Crossed the line 10s before the field, and collapsed. Didn't even stay for GC podiums. Which was a mistake. Apparently the win propelled me to podium position somehow. Teammate in GC got a flat with 2km to go and DNFed. :(

cmh 03-19-20 10:18 AM

Awesome job UD and MattM. Glad you both got a win in before racing shut down.

Cypress 04-23-20 08:39 AM

Did a Zwift race last night, so figured I'd post here.

It was the 3R Volcano Flat Reverse 50k (A)

I had no clue what to expect for a race this long, and I'd only done one other B race that I just rode away from (no A category available). At the start it at LEAST 10 people were doing 8-10 W/kg. I assume this is to maybe create separation between the villains and the people that just want to "hang on". The first 30 seconds showed a NP of 507W for me, so it was about par for a crit. The first 10 miles were "brisk' and it settled down into somewhat of a groove. The pack was slowly being whittled down by little punches. Every tiny rise in the road saw dudes going for gold at 7 W/kg. I got caught sleeping on one of them while I was texting and didn't realize it until I was already being spit off the back, so a minute at FTP put me back into the pack quicker than I imagined.

Overall, I was getting mentally bored near the end. Staying in the pack was low tempo wattage with small kicks near FTP. Average watts for the whole race was 280W for 1:06:56 (4.1 W/kg), NP was 295W.

I'd never done a sprint in a Zwift race, so the finish was...something. I found myself at the front (because you can just ride "through" dudes) so I backed off the wattage in order to use the pack as an aero springboard. I still went WAY too early. I quickly ran out of gears on my bike, and you can see it in the power readout. You can see shifts followed by small wattage increases, then one final "let off" for a shift that never came, then the RPM's just keep climbing until death. Sprinting on rollers takes some practice, and I haven't done a ton of it. I had the highest 15s W/kg of the group at 13.9.

I ended up getting third on Zwift Power behind two Asian riders (surprise surprise).



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