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Originally Posted by Cyclespanner
(Post 23061799)
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Originally Posted by 1989Pre
(Post 23061821)
Is this the bike you wanted to pick up before you left on your trip? Did he hold on to it for you? It looks great. It sure looks like a proper roadster to me, with the full chain case. Have you been able to compare the size of the wheels with some 26"? Have you ridden it? I'd like to get a roadster one day.
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Originally Posted by zookster
(Post 23062046)
That one sold. This one a friend found for me at the recent Copake meet. It has 28 x 1-1/2 tires on it. Overall it is not quite as nice condition-wise as the '63 I got from [MENTION=38859]SirMike1983[/MENTION] earlier this year. I have only ridden it on a 1 mile test ride in my 'hood. it rode well enough on that short ride. I plan to take it for a longer ride tomorrow in and around downtown Birmingham.
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Originally Posted by zookster
(Post 23060949)
My latest "For the Love of English 3 Speeds" influenced buying decision. A 1954 Raleigh with rod operated drum brakes, in a small frame size. Is it a Sports, Roadster, Superbe or other model? From the decals it was an export model destined to Singapore.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d4565312ab.jpg |
Originally Posted by gna
(Post 23062044)
I'm a little weak on old British money, but that was 22 shillings and 6 pence, right? 20 shillings to a pound--wonder why they didn't write it as £1-2-6
2/6' was a Half Crown (Two Shillings and Six Pence) Coins at that time were ('Change') Farthing = 1/4 of a penny = 1/4d Half Penny - 'ha'penny' = 1/2d Penny =1d Three Penny =3d Sixpence = 6d = 'Tanner'' One Shilling = 1/- = 'Bob' Two Shillings = 2/- = 'Florin' Half Crown = 2/6 Crown = five Shillings = 5/- One Guinea = 21 Shillings (a nominal amount, not a coin as such) Notes:- 10 Shillings = 'Ten Bob' £1 - 20 Shillings ='Quid' £5 - 100 Shillings = 'Five Quid' £10 - 'Tenner' £20 I think there was a £50, but common folk never had one! Being the generation that was introduced to 'Decimalisation' (£1 = 100p) simplified everything; at least to me! Think I got that lot correct. |
Originally Posted by Cyclespanner
(Post 23062149)
That would have been £1 2/6 back then.
2/6' was a Half Crown (Two Shillings and Six Pence) Coins at that time were ('Change') Farthing = 1/4 of a penny = 1/4d Half Penny - 'ha'penny' = 1/2d Penny =1d Three Penny =3d Sixpence = 6d = 'Tanner'' One Shilling = 1/- = 'Bob' Two Shillings = 2/- = 'Florin' Half Crown = 2/6 Crown = five Shillings = 5/- One Guinea = 21 Shillings (a nominal amount, not a coin as such) Notes:- 10 Shillings = 'Ten Bob' £1 - 20 Shillings ='Quid' £5 - 100 Shillings = 'Five Quid' £10 - 'Tenner' £20 I think there was a £50, but common folk never had one! Being the generation that was introduced to 'Decimalisation' (£1 = 100p) simplified everything; at least to me! Think I got that lot correct. I think I also remember holding a 10 bob note, according to the web that went out in 1969 and I do remember watching the moon landing. I 'inherited' my childhood coin collection from my parent's house a couple of years back so I could check. I think 22'6 is easier to say, and just maybe it sounds a bit like it's cheaper that £1 something. Apparently 8% of Londoners still use rhyming slang for money :) https://romanroadlondon.com/cockney-...g-slang-money/ During the 2012 Olympics, an ATM on Commercial Street gave customers the language option of ‘Cockney rhyming slang’. To withdraw a bit of ’sausage and mash’ (cash), you were first asked to enter your ‘Huckleberry Finn’ (pin). This led to monetary prompts such as ‘Lady Godiva’ (£5) and ‘Horn of Plenty’ (£20). |
Originally Posted by Aardwolf
(Post 23062160)
Entirely correct I think, I do just about remember using old coins.
I think I also remember holding a 10 bob note, according to the web that went out in 1969 and I do remember watching the moon landing. I 'inherited' my childhood coin collection from my parent's house a couple of years back so I could check. I think 22'6 is easier to say, and just maybe it sounds a bit like it's cheaper that £1 something. Apparently 8% of Londoners still use rhyming slang for money :) https://romanroadlondon.com/cockney-...g-slang-money/ During the 2012 Olympics, an ATM on Commercial Street gave customers the language option of ‘Cockney rhyming slang’. To withdraw a bit of ’sausage and mash’ (cash), you were first asked to enter your ‘Huckleberry Finn’ (pin). This led to monetary prompts such as ‘Lady Godiva’ (£5) and ‘Horn of Plenty’ (£20). It was interesting to look at your 'small change' before Decimalisation and see all the Monarch's 'heads' Queen Victoria King Edward VII King George V King George VI Queen Elizabeth II Silver coins were 100% Silver until 1919 then 50% silver until 1949 When I left school in 1972, if you could get a job, an expected weekly wage would have been £5! |
Originally Posted by gna
(Post 23062122)
Sure looks like a roadster. The bolted on seat stays say DL1 to me. Curious that it has both a dynohub and a bottle generator in front.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...254395aeb0.jpg |
Originally Posted by Cyclespanner
(Post 23062149)
One Guinea = 21 Shillings (a nominal amount, not a coin as such)
Alex Moulton fittingly, then, priced his cycles in Guineas. :) From 1965: https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0131feedf.jpeg |
Point of Information :)
. There is such a thing as a Guinea coin, minted from 1663 to 1814, containing about 1/4oz of gold. . From https://www.lbma.org.uk/wonders-of-g...the-royal-mint The guinea initially had a nominal value of 20 shillings but its actual value fluctuated, sometimes dramatically, until finally being set in stone by Sir Isaac Newton the Master of the Mint, in 1717, at 21 shillings. This was the equivalent of a fine gold price of £4.4s.11½d per troy ounce, a price that would survive for the next 200 years. .And now back to your regular programming |
Originally Posted by tcs
(Post 23062249)
My 'guide to Victorian Times' suggested one purchased ordinary things and paid a tradesman in pounds, but purchased quality goods and paid gentlemen in Guineas.
Alex Moulton fittingly, then, priced his cycles in Guineas. :) From 1965: https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0131feedf.jpeg Watched a long documentary about Alex Moulton recently. A man of many accomplishments. And so he should be. Didn't realise he was so deep seated in the minor landed gentry, with all the privelidges that entails, plus a product of the British Public School 'Old Boy's' network. Only the Posh and pretentious dealt in Guineas. By the beginning of 20th Century a Guinea coin had become as archaic as a 'Spanish Doubloon' LOL |
Originally Posted by Cyclespanner
(Post 23062149)
That would have been £1 2/6 back then.
2/6' was a Half Crown (Two Shillings and Six Pence) Coins at that time were ('Change') Farthing = 1/4 of a penny = 1/4d Half Penny - 'ha'penny' = 1/2d Penny =1d Three Penny =3d Sixpence = 6d = 'Tanner'' One Shilling = 1/- = 'Bob' Two Shillings = 2/- = 'Florin' Half Crown = 2/6 Crown = five Shillings = 5/- One Guinea = 21 Shillings (a nominal amount, not a coin as such) Notes:- 10 Shillings = 'Ten Bob' £1 - 20 Shillings ='Quid' £5 - 100 Shillings = 'Five Quid' £10 - 'Tenner' £20 I think there was a £50, but common folk never had one! Being the generation that was introduced to 'Decimalisation' (£1 = 100p) simplified everything; at least to me! Think I got that lot correct. Paul |
Originally Posted by SirMike1983
(Post 23060896)
Late season ride - Raleigh Model 35 light roadster.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...102_173351.jpg |
Yes, I think these Allez are as hard-to-find as the Webb. I'm aiming at putting some Brampton B8's on the Claud I'm building.
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Originally Posted by 1989Pre
(Post 23062560)
I might be wrong, but does that mean if I had a bag with 135 tuppence coins in it, I could buy these pedals?
Paul £2.70? I wouldn't take them out of the box for that! |
Originally Posted by Cyclespanner
(Post 23062571)
Not sure, am I missing the point here?
£2.70? I wouldn't take them out of the box for that! |
Originally Posted by zookster
(Post 23062188)
It has drum brakes front and rear, no dynohub. The bottle generator and headlight still work, but having trouble getting it to maintain sufficient pressure on the tire to operate. I have tried adjusting the position on the fork, but unless I manually press the bottle against the tire it won't spin consistently.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...254395aeb0.jpg |
Originally Posted by zookster
(Post 23062188)
It has drum brakes front and rear, no dynohub. The bottle generator and headlight still work, but having trouble getting it to maintain sufficient pressure on the tire to operate. I have tried adjusting the position on the fork, but unless I manually press the bottle against the tire it won't spin consistently.
3 speeds, drum brakes, chaincase--I see Dutch bikes set up like this even today, what they would call an Opafiets: https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...269e80a2e4.jpg |
Nice cycle, worth sorting.
Drum brakes are good to have. Interesting how main frame loops in one piece over BB. |
Originally Posted by Cyclespanner
(Post 23057440)
These days it is foolish to be riding a cycle without at least 2 functioning brakes. Even better with 3 options.
Even on dedicated cycle routes there's always some idiot capable of stepping unpredictably right into your path! An old tandem trick was to mount 2 calipers on each wheel, for instance, one before the fork crown (as normal) but another behind the crown. Only ever found one online photo of that set-up. I'd be interested in that as an experiment. Anyone got an example to share with us? |
Originally Posted by gna
(Post 23063279)
My bad. I thought it was a dynohub.
3 speeds, drum brakes, chaincase--I see Dutch bikes set up like this even today, what they would call an Opafiets: https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...269e80a2e4.jpg https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...030_191221.jpg |
Originally Posted by SirMike1983
(Post 23063333)
I recently got a similar Dutch bike from a Facebook Market sale. It is a pretty traditional set up with cable-operated Sturmey drums. It's something of a combination of a roadster and a city bike. It is one of two off-season projects for me to do.
The one i pictured is for sale nearby. I'm thinking of buying it, just to get the drum brake hubs. |
Frankly, I think that Sparta would be a good candidate to refurbish and ride. It's almost too nice to be a parts bike. Looks pretty clean to me.
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Originally Posted by SirMike1983
(Post 23063618)
Frankly, I think that Sparta would be a good candidate to refurbish and ride. It's almost too nice to be a parts bike. Looks pretty clean to me.
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Recently refurbished 1957 Schwinn Traveler three speed. This one is from a brief period in the 1950s when Schwinn used simpler frame graphics. The graphics were ahead of their time in that they would not be out of place on a 1980s or 90s bike. After this style, Schwinn went to a much more ornate style again.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...104_201956.jpg https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...104_202111.jpg https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...104_202027.jpg |
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