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Salubrious 02-08-16 12:30 PM

^^Shimano

BigChief 02-08-16 12:33 PM

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Well, not all of them were. This bike's head badge says made in England, it seems to have a SA hub and still, the long aluminum tip on the front fender.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=503460http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=503461http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=503462

Sixty Fiver 02-08-16 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 18520570)
Now that I realize that they're non British I'll stop posting about these....

This is what makes these British bikes classic, the fact they they were so widely emulated across the planet.

Some of the higher end Japanese bicycles used SA hubs as did most upscale makers because they were recognized as being better, Suntour sold SA hubs under license as well.

gster 02-08-16 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 18521089)
This is what makes these British bikes classic, the fact they they were so widely emulated across the planet.

Some of the higher end Japanese bicycles used SA hubs as did most upscale makers because they were recognized as being better, Suntour sold SA hubs under license as well.

I looked at a 3 speed a few weeks ago that appeared to be British but turned out to be a Suntour SA hub. I passed.

Bicyclz 02-08-16 03:11 PM

[QUOTE=shadaboot28;18515357]

Originally Posted by Bicyclz (Post 18514553)

Yes it is amazing how the mudguards have survived! Mine are mint with no cracks or damages at all!

And I've seen your clipper and I love it! I really want one for myself but they are the rarest ones to find out of all the brother/sister bikes....

And here's a picture of the transfer.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=502917http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=502918

Wow! Your mudguard decal is even better than mine!
Quite amazing how they survived over all these years, being so really, really delicate.

In my opinion the remaining Raleigh Lentons are very cool.
The Rudge & Humber variants are so much rarer!!
Especially in prime condition.
I say no more; )

shadaboot28 02-08-16 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by shadaboot28 (Post 18515357)
Wow! Your mudguard decal is even better than mine!
Quite amazing how they survived over all these years, being so really, really delicate.

In my opinion the remaining Raleigh Lentons are very cool.
The Rudge & Humber variants are so much rarer!!
Especially in prime condition.
I say no more; )

I confess! My Rudge transfer is a replica I put on as the original was almost completely missing.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=503526

arex 02-08-16 06:25 PM

What's the significance of the Rudge Hand?

Sixty Fiver 02-08-16 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 18521131)
I looked at a 3 speed a few weeks ago that appeared to be British but turned out to be a Suntour SA hub. I passed.

It is an SA hub, just branded Suntour.

A lot of my spare SA parts that I picked up from various shops came in packages marked Suntour... for a while many local shops were getting rid of their SA parts and quite a few gave them to me.

Same thing happened with my cog boards.

It is good to know people and now those shops send business to me when it comes to SA hub service and custom freewheels.

Bicyclz 02-08-16 06:48 PM

[QUOTE=shadaboot28;18521738]

Originally Posted by Bicyclz (Post 18521319)

I confess! My Rudge transfer is a replica I put on as the original was almost completely missing.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=503526


That's naughty, but honesty is always the best policy!!
It is still very nice: )

But, has yours got the other, little one, above it??
The 'New Elizabethan' one?
; )

BigChief 02-08-16 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by arex (Post 18521837)
What's the significance of the Rudge Hand?

That goes way way back in Irish heraldry. Google The Red Hand Of Ulster. It's interesting

Bicyclz 02-08-16 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by arex (Post 18521837)
What's the significance of the Rudge Hand?

Good question.
I have not researched this, but as a Brit, the Red Hand relates to Ulster.
Has political connotations hereabouts, perhaps.....

The bicycles are very nice though: )

IronDan 02-09-16 04:15 AM

Anybody in the uk looking for a lenton?

Vintage Barn/Shed find 1950s Raleigh lenton sports 531 Reg Harris road model | eBay

gster 02-09-16 04:16 AM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 18521852)
It is an SA hub, just branded Suntour.

A lot of my spare SA parts that I picked up from various shops came in packages marked Suntour... for a while many local shops were getting rid of their SA parts and quite a few gave them to me.

Same thing happened with my cog boards.

It is good to know people and now those shops send business to me when it comes to SA hub service and custom freewheels.

Made by SA for Suntour or made by Suntour in Japan under licence?

gster 02-09-16 06:00 AM

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shadaboot28 02-09-16 06:42 AM

[QUOTE=Bicyclz;18521890]

Originally Posted by shadaboot28 (Post 18521738)


That's naughty, but honesty is always the best policy!!
It is still very nice: )

But, has yours got the other, little one, above it??
The 'New Elizabethan' one?
; )



I don't think the Rudge version had any transfers above it. I think it was only the Humber that did.

shadaboot28 02-09-16 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by IronDan (Post 18522584)


I'm looking for one to be part of my collection. If the paintwork was in better condition I would definitely go for this!

gster 02-09-16 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CuttersRidge (Post 18512645)
Excellent condition, even the decals it looks like, beautiful, I hope I can put a Craig's list ad in because for posterity these are nice and won't be sold probably soon at this price.
http://images.craigslist.org/00909_e...3T_600x450.jpg

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/c...433967045.html

Could these be the same bikes?

3speedslow 02-09-16 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 18522586)
Made by SA for Suntour or made by Suntour in Japan under licence?

I just picked up an NOS Suntour 3 speed set up. Looks very much like SA made and the pulley wheel is even labeled SA.

One thing missing is the trigger shift. Crowd tells me a SA will shift it also. Would be nice to find one eventually to match the Suntour hub but I can make due for now.

Oldpaint 02-09-16 07:33 PM

1965 Raleigh Sports
 
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I found this at a bike show and swap meet on the front lawn of the Lars Anderson Transportation Museum in Brookline, Mass. a few years ago. It was completely disassembled and the parts were spread out on a blanket behind a vendors tent. Many of the small parts were packed into a cake box from Hoff's Bakery in Medford. As I carried the box to my car I could hear the ball bearings rolling around on the cardboard. Although mostly complete, it was missing the pedals, chain, tire inflator, and kit bag. The paint, box lining, and chrome are very good, but I suspect someone tried to pressure wash it and spoiled some of the decals

gster 02-09-16 09:22 PM

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nlerner 02-09-16 10:18 PM

While not original John Bull, I saw that Harris is now carrying these Fibrax "rain cheater" brake pads:

Fibrax Raincheater Vintage Brake Pads f/Steel Rims - Harris Cyclery bicycle shop - West Newton, Massachusetts

gster 02-10-16 07:39 AM

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http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=503769http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=503770http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=503771http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=503772http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=503773A collection of non SA triggers.

Rifaldo 02-10-16 07:45 AM

the bike old models ,theare musium bicycle manhttp://laissezachats.net/111/o.png

JohnDThompson 02-10-16 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 18525454)
A collection of non SA triggers.

But made under license from Sturmey-Archer.

Sixty Fiver 02-10-16 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 18522586)
Made by SA for Suntour or made by Suntour in Japan under licence?

Based on how much it would cost to tool up to produce what was a smaller number of hubs and components, I'd say that most of the complex parts were made in England and then sent to Japan for assembly.

Some of the simpler internal parts would have been easier to produce than others so there is probably some local content as well.

As it is, Suntour 3 speed hubs are not very common at all.


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